Slashdot Log In
Managing for Creativity
Posted by
Zonk
on Sun Jul 17, 2005 04:55 PM
from the make-life-better dept.
from the make-life-better dept.
theodp writes "After seeing some of the ideas management comes up with as a result of reading the Harvard Business Review, you may be tempted to hide their copies. But make sure they see this month's Managing for Creativity by Dr. Jim Goodnight, the still code-cranking CEO of SAS, the world's largest privately held software company." From the article: "Many academics and businesses have made inroads into this field. Management guru Peter Drucker identified the role of knowledge workers and, long before the dot-com era, warned of the perils of trying to "bribe" them with stock options and other crude financial incentives. This view is supported by the research of Harvard Business School's Teresa Amabile and Yale University's Robert Sternberg, which shows that creative people are motivated from within and respond much better to intrinsic rewards than to extrinsic ones."
This discussion has been archived.
No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
Dream on, sucker! (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, in a world where any and every position has, is or will eventually be outsourced, the entire concept of "bribing" an employee is anachronistic. Maybe if you have the name recognition of a Shawn Fanning and someone wants your name to bootstrap their venture capital process, but not if you're Joe-Average-Buying-Four-Dollar-Milk guy.
Today's "crude financial incentive" is "not being downsized".
And to continue harping on the ridiculousness of such an article in an outsourcing world, I have to ask - when you're outsourcing for one tenth the salary, do you really expect any of the outsourced people you're managing to be "creative"? I've worked with a number of them and however they may be in their personal life, when it comes to the job they're paid for, they are anything BUT creative.
This guy is one of those idealistic dreamers who has the misguided notion that you can employee people, treat them well, encourage them to be creative and non-comformist and original and not ditch them for the lowest bidder and somehow run a successful company in the long term. Learn a thing or two from today's top public-CEOs and start laying people off. Be a man! Send out some reduction notices! Cut some salaries! Freeze hiring and raises across the board! Freeze available training and education! Put the fear of outsourcing into your subordinates or you're going to end up on the garbage heap. In fact, it is downright un-patriotic to treat his employees like he is doing and promote those communist labor-friendly, creativity-inspiring warm-fuzzy propaganda ideas.
Completely off topic - what a name...Jim Goodnight! I can see the Abbot and Costello sketch for it, now...
Re:Dream on, sucker! (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, if all employees were given stock options, and not just 1 share or some token, I bet there would be less outsourcing, or if there was, it would be less painful.
If I had 4000 shares of Walmart stock, and I worked for them as a programmer, I would feel much more incentive to work harder, because the better my company does, the better the stoc
Re:Dream on, sucker! (Score:3, Insightful)
Plus, while options from WalMart might not be so bad, you'd be insane to take options as any manner of compensation in the tech industry these days.
Re:Dream on, sucker! (Score:2, Interesting)
And yes, I'm one of those people who's doing the insane thing and taking options in lieu of compensation at a tech company. There's a pretty decent chance I'll come out of it well, though -- and if not, the existant-though-small paycheck was enou
Re:Dream on, sucker! (Score:2, Insightful)
My name is "hax4bux" and I've been contracting for 13 years. I want the money and I want it now. I hope you get rich, but I bet you don't.
I've had this conversation over multiple contracts, how I should share the vision and work for less because "we're all gonna be zillionaires". Golly, such a generous offer. I'll stick to invoicing you each week, and you don't have to worry about sharing your precious stock pool.
Oh, y
Re:Dream on, sucker! (Score:3, Interesting)
If the kind of organization you want to run is one where the employees do what they do out of fear, you're welcome to it.
The rest of us will just do our best work, enjoy it, and placidly take the next step with our carreers when management starts serving that flavor of Kool-Aid.
Article not really about stock options (Score:5, Informative)
Incidently, if you saw the 60 Minutes story about SAS, you can probably save yourself the time of reading this article. There doesn't appear to be much that wasn't covered on 60 Minutes. However, if you haven't heard of SAS, it is a very interesting summary. Perhaps this is a more accurate teaser, quoted straight from the article:
Based in Cary, North Carolina, SAS has been in the top 20 of Fortune's 100 Best Companies to Work For list every year it's been published. The employee turnover rate hovers between 3% and 5%, compared with the industry average of nearly 20%. The governments and global corporations that rely on SAS's sophisticated business-intelligence software are overwhelmingly satisfied: The subscription renewal rate is an astounding 98%.
Rob
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:4, Insightful)
I have a better idea. Have someone who gets my lunch so I don't have to leave the office for an hour and can have less stress dealing with traffic and lines and waiters. How often do I need to get my car fucking detailed for christ's sake? Instead, how about having someone who can help me find a quality babysitter or refer me to a great place to take the girl out for a romantic dinner and maybe throw in a corporate discount to boot. How about handling my personal mail and courier packages for me so I can just drop them off at a kiosk on my way into the office? How about offering career guidance or more education options instead of just paying lipservice to how important those things are and then putting a freeze on them to save money?
I have never used any of the corporate services (mental health experts? medical phone number? car detailing? dry cleaning? thank-you-letter tutorial? discount on granola bars from a local vending machine supplier at a special sell-shit-to-our-capitive-employees-day?) and I don't know anyone who has. How about stop stuffing your offering full of shit just to say you offer a lot and start ovffering fewer, MORE VALUABLE services that actually make a difference.
And you know, sometimes it's the small things. It's amazing what your workforce can do when they feel important and feel like they matter rather than constantly under the thumb of layoffs. Morale is important. Something as cheap as giving your employees free bagels and cream cheese once a week or donuts once or twice a week will make them feel like someone gives a fuck and like their contributions are valued. Otherwise they're likely to feel like they're just an unwanted burden and as soon as they can arrange to have you replaced by a cheaper drone, you're gone. Even if that's true, get the proper work you can out of the employee by installing loyalty... by treating them with little perks that make their work life enjoyable. After all, they probably will be spending at least 35% of their entire lifetime in your office...
Parent
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:3, Interesting)
However, the interview process left me completely unimpressed with the *people* and the way that they acted.
They contacted me for an interview (I'd never heard of them before that) and gave me a day to come up. I got there a few minutes ea
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:2)
Yes, it was. Like I said, the work actually seemed really interesting, but the practiced work philosophy left a whole lot to be desired (even though I did meet a few cool people there).
I'm impressed that you got it without my even mentioning the industry they're in. My guess is that you either have experience wit
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:2)
Yes, they do require umpteen certs while you're there. I thought that was rather silly as well. I could understand the need for some of them for certain of their employees (they're largely a C# shop)
That reminds me of something else. I was given their test in C++. At least they said it was going to be C++. It was really a
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:4, Insightful)
On the other hand, if you make your workers *happy*, they will work for *less* money. See university profs for an example. So many people want to be a prof that universities can afford to pay less - but only because lots of people WANT those jobs.
Happiness motivates. Too much money doesn't do much. Too little money demotivates.
Parent
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:2)
While SAS seems like a very cool company...
Looks that way to me too. They support open source [sourceforge.net], for example.
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:2)
I work in the RTP area myself, and those numbers are more or less correct.
The governments and global corporations that rely on SAS's sophisticated business-intelligence software are overwhelmingly satisfied: The subscription renewal rate is an astounding 98%.
It's because the SAS software stops working when the license expires (or at least it used to, I'm not 100% sure about today). After a year, th
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:2)
The lock-in goes beyond that -- it's pretty much essential for FDA submissions and I'd imagine there are other regulators who regard it similarly. And for a lot of experienced statisticians, that's almost all they know.
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:2)
Sounds like software that that is written for people that know what they are doing. Wonder how many support people they need
Re:Article not really about stock options (Score:2)
They supposedly have the largest continuous integration build farm in the world
We do. :)
http://www.jaredrichardson.net/blog/2005/06/23/ [jaredrichardson.net]
Creativity may come from within (Score:3, Interesting)
A better read: Hare brained, tortoise minded (Score:4, Interesting)
Task-oriented activities are suited to a typical corporate management model. You can monitor their progress set effective deadlines, describe them on papaer and outsource them.
Creativity (including intuative thinking) does not respond well to any of these. Intuition happens on its own schedule and attemptng to drive it harder kills it. It has been often demonstrated that people under stress/pressure are less likely to find innovative solutions. Threats, direct (fix it this week or you're fired) or implied (downsizing/outsourcing) work against innovation.
I know that from my own experience I very rarely make breakthroughs while doing what management would consider "work". I have figured out many things while doing something else: having a crap or a shower (no, not simultaneously), fishing, shooting hoops... perhaps they should pay me to do more of these.
I don't know much about SAS, but from what I understand they are a privately owned orgainsation that really does take care of their employees. This must be a far lower-stress environment that a corp with a quarter-by-quarter driven approach that treats their employees as expenses/resources.
Parent
Re:Creativity may come from within (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Creativity may come from within (Score:2, Insightful)
Creative problem solving is not the same as being creative. Almost everyone in the tech profession is paid to have creative problem solving
Re:Creativity may come from within (Score:3, Informative)
Only if you work for a faceless mega corporation...
For the rest of us in medium sized organizations (1000 or so employees) - and particularly in the case of a non software company - there _is_ no rest of the crew.
The few programming staff they have cover pretty much all the bases, and are therefore frequently responsible for all parts of the design and imple
Most important part of the article (Score:5, Interesting)
How true this is. I know, for myself, if you want me to work at 9am, you will not get the same productivity as if you let me work at 9pm. I was a night owl in highschool, a night owl in college, and I still am one today.
I have had some jobs, where I did nothing more than veg out at 9am, waiting for the coffee to kick in. It was a waste of time. The company paid me for those hours of morning work, and got very little back in return.
But just after lunch, I would have much more energy. The brain would start working. I was very productive. And what sucked about it was, by the time 4:30pm came, quitting time, I was deep in thought and work, and I did not want to leave. I was pumping out great results. If I was working on a database, it would be around this time that everything was comming together in my head, that I was able to play with lots of ideas at one time, to visualize what I was doing. Those hours from noon to 4:30pm flew by too fast! Contrast to the hours of 9am, which every second felt like an hour.
If only the managment would have asked me, when is work the best for you. I would have told them, let me start at noon and stay late. But they did not want to pay overtime, they had fucked up rules about who could stay on company property after a certain hour, so everyone had to go home.
Most productive hours of the day can differ (Score:2)
When I came back to my current job, I accepted t
Re:Most productive hours of the day can differ (Score:2, Insightful)
If you don't pay the bills, you don't have the time or resources to pursue those more interesting things in your "productive" hours.
Flexitime rules (Score:5, Interesting)
It's interesting that one of the most highly regarded "perks" in every survey of geek staff I've seen for years has been flexible working hours.
At my current employer, we have quite a clever policy: the rule is you have to be in the office for at least 5 hours between 9am and 6pm every day, but other than that, you can work your 37.5 as you see fit, with common sense applying when it comes to organising meetings and the like. What this means is that you're guaranteed to be in the office for at least an hour of overlap with any of your colleagues in a given day, so you never miss someone completely. However, you can effectively take a half-day off without using leave, or go in before the morning rush and then leave mid-afternoon to pick the kids up from school, etc.
I'd say most of the guys' typical hours are somewhere between 9:30-5:30 and 10:30-6:30. We also have quite a few habitual early starters and a few habitual come-in-at-lunchtime guys. There are even some guys who change quite radically from week to week or even day to day, such as the guy next to me whose fiancee works shifts at a hospital, or one of the girls who finishes early-late-early-late to alternative picking her son up from school with her husband.
This is a great arrangement, and it was interesting that when we were bought out by a US corp a few months back, this was one of the Big Things everyone was adamant we would keep in the new contract. (We collectively made them rewrite it so we could.) Of all the other "perks" brought in by the corp, none has anything like the value of this one, and I'm not sure I actually use any of the others.
Parent
Re:Flexitime rules (Score:3, Interesting)
Apart from that, you could turn up whenever you wanted as long as you kept track of how ma
Re:Most important part of the article (Score:2)
Nobody is naturally a "night owl". You are a human, you are supposed to be awake during the day and asleep at night. The fact that you your brain wasn't active until after lunch suggests that there is something very wrong with you. Here are some suggestions:
Creativity needs no management (Score:3, Insightful)
ugh (Score:2)
- pensions cost most than an on-site masseuse
- the amount of salable intellectual property generated by your employees remains constant regardless of compensation. Just make sure you lock it up in their contracts!
I know businesses exist to make money, but when I was last interviewing I viewed lots of in-office perks as a big strike against prospective employers. It's great if there's a foosball table in the break room, but not if the payments on it come out of my salary.
Even worse is t
Re:ugh (Score:2)
How To Bribe A Developer (Score:2)
A place for managers to start... (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Judge me by my work, not be how many hours I put in. You wrote the job description - if I can do the work you need in X hours, why should I hang around my cubicle for X+n hours, especially when I use 'extra' time to try and figure out better ways to do our job, which you ignore?
2. Substance trumps form. This applies to not only work, but policy enforcement. Telling me that we use XX product, and because XX cost $YY and took KK consultants ZZ years to implement, it can't suck simply tells me the management team didn't know what kind of pit they were digging. My advice, to get out of the hole - stop digging first!
3. I'll dress the way you want me to and conduct myself by your standards of 'professionalism', as long as you don't treat me like a three-year-old until I give you a reason. Then, just fire me - don't fsck with me.
4. Don't fire people for exchanging their own information - i.e., if we want to talk about salary at lunch, that is our business, period, especially if we aren't on company property.
5. Recognize the utter stupidity of office politics, and no, that jerk from Finance will not become less of a jerk if I learn to golf so I can make nice-nice with him. In fact, it will get you sued and me fired when I put a five-iron through his thorax.
6. Keep the HR group away from me. I do NOT WANT another flier about the suicide hotline, nor do I care about our new marketing effort in Outer Namibia, and as far as Frank Jones, the new VP of Operations, New York, is concerned, re: promotion, well, good for him - I'll never meet him, and I don't think he wants to hear about my promotion either. Nor do I want to know about the class offered for "all professionals" held in San Francisco, that I can't go to because I am either not high up enough, or I don't sell for a living. You expect my work to be relevant to what we do. I expect the same sense of appropriateness and relevance as you do.
7. I realize we have a fiduciary duty to our clients. If you are really worried about my taking advantage of proprietary information, by all means, call the feds. In the meantime, my wife's 401K is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS - we have no say in how it is invested, the trustee handles that. You should know that, being a large international bank.
8. Before you give me any static about how overworked any/everyone is, and how short on resources we are, how about firing that useless sack of cr@p you complain about so loudly at after-hours work functions? I know he's been here 15 years, and it would make upper management wonder "how did this bag of cr@p last so long?" when you have to justify canning the id10t, but trust me, it will be worth it.
9. Offering benefits and then implementing workplace policies that make it impossible to use them is the same as not offering them, except a whole lot more annoying. ("Gee, we would pay for your night-school classes, but we'll need you to work overtime for the next few months, then as needed after that - you're a professional, so I know you'll get the job done. What? No, we don't pay overtime or comp time, are you kidding?") Odd, how this sudden overtime need hit after I applied for tuition reimbursement...
10. Mandatory fun isn't.
Please note: The above have been aggregated from several different employers, so if you happen to know who I work for, and are a member of management, read #11...
11. Respect my privacy outside of work. Unless I slander you, flaming me at work over what you think I may have implied is unprofessional - yes, that word can apply to management too!
Re:A place for managers to start... (Score:2)
One of the differences in my case would not be a suicide prevention hotline, but a homocide prevention hotline =]
I am generally a calm and amicable individual. Heck, I even end up being a mentor and older brother to the team I'm on (which is amusing when you are younger than some of them), but once I hit my bullshit threshold (largely from certain managers I've worked with), I need to go to the lake in order to work of
A little bit more about creativity (Score:5, Insightful)
Robert Epstein (last to receive a Ph.D. from B.F. Skinner) lists four strategies for generating creative output. These are
Sometimes, though, I wonder about the opposite--how can I learn to quit being "creatve" and just get the damn job done? It's not that I ever get any original brilliant ideas anyway--all really great ideas I have had, I've found out were conceived by somebody else before me.
Anyway, here goes:
Capturing creativity [findarticles.com]Re:A little bit more about creativity (Score:4, Insightful)
Works for me, but YMMV.
BTW - you may repeat great ides of the past, but hey - your timing might be better than the earlier implementation was. Think about all the stories of Steve Jobs seeing GUI, email and OO programming at Xerox PARC - he has even said, he didn't originate them, he implemented them and got them out for use when the time was right. (OK, many of the concepts were implemented by others along the way, but you get the point)
Cheers!
Parent
Re:A little bit more about creativity (Score:2, Interesting)
Thanks for the advice!
As you hint at, the story about Jobs being originally inspred by Xerox is in fact a myth. Jef Raskin, then at Apple, had worked with the ideas both as a professor and as an employee at Apple. The purpose of the legendary visit at Xerox was to see what Raskin had talked about in action. You can read all about it at Raskin's Site [raskincenter.org]
Re:A little bit more about creativity (Score:2, Insightful)
Key point, almost missed (Score:2, Interesting)
9-5 Creativity (Score:2, Insightful)
I can't agree with this more. In my job where I actually use both sides of my brain, creativity just doesn't have a schedule. The best thing I could do is set myself up for a "creative spark" -- surfing the web for things I like, or look at what the latest, although surfing can only do so much.
Off topic... (Score:4, Funny)
... but damn, I would kill for his name at any party I've ever been to.
Her: Hi, I'm Stacy...
Me: Hi Stacy, I'm Mr. Good Night
**slap**
Ok, maybe not.... but the thought of it is cool.
Agile Work - People are Creators (Score:2)
Another idea (Score:2, Insightful)
A Clean Code base! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Well, can you at least mod me up? (Score:2, Funny)
I dunno. It usually does it for me when your wife does that.
^Mod the man up, please! (Score:2)
Re:Facts to back up the slander? (Score:2)
Re:Facts to back up the slander? (Score:2)
Open Source R is made by academics (Score:2)
That definitely has to be a job where the rewards are intrinsic to the creation of knoweldge, because the external rewards sucketh and getting grants and jobs is even harder.
Re:SAS creativity vs. Open Source creativity (Score:2)
That said, I agree about SAS. SAS is solid, certainly, but I doubt the word its users associate with it is "creativity".