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Google Instant Messenger Coming Really (or Not?)

Posted by CmdrTaco on Tue Aug 23, 2005 08:43 AM
from the it's-ross-and-rachel-all-over-again dept.
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bach37 writes "Google is rumored to launch its own instant messenger tomorrow." Other sources are reporting that talk.google.com is running jabber. Of course we've also had stories about all this being rumors
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  • 180 degrees? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BlackCobra43 (596714) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:45AM (#13378891)
    Didn't Google explicitely claim they were not making an IM service?

    Why would they make one anyway? Doesn't really seem to fit with their current strategy unless they tie it into gmail somehow.

    • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Informative)

      by the_mighty_$ (726261) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:49AM (#13378926)
      They already have an IM service. [hello.com]

    • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Mr2cents (323101) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:56AM (#13378996)
      The error messages are different between http://ahjfgdf.google.com/ [google.com] and http://talk.google.com/ [google.com] , so there is something going on..

      • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Informative)

        by TheRaven64 (641858) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:37AM (#13379350) Homepage Journal
        I can confirm that talk.google.com is talking Jabber.

        telnet talk.google.com 5222
        Trying 64.233.167.125...
        Connected to talk.l.google.com.
        Escape character is '^]'.
        <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
        <stream:stream
        to="talk.google.com"
        xmlns="j abber:client"
        xmlns:stream="http://etherx.jabber. org/streams">
        <stream:stream from="talk.google.com" id="C12F7326" xmlns:stream="http://etherx.jabber.org/streams" xmlns="jabber:client">
        The last line of this is the standard response sent by a Jabber server prior to negotiating a login.

        • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Informative)

          by 87C751 (205250) <sdot@@@rant-central...com> on Tuesday August 23 2005, @10:29AM (#13379807) Homepage
          I can confirm that talk.google.com is talking Jabber.
          Not anymore...
          $ telnet talk.google.com 5222
          Trying 64.233.167.125...
          Connected to talk.google.com.
          Escape character is '^]'.

          ?
          HTTP/1.1 302 Found
          Location: http://www.google.com/talk/
          Content-Type: text/html
          Content-Length: 151

          <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>302 Moved</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><H1>302 Moved</H1>The document has moved <A HREF="http://www.google.com/talk/">here</A>.</BODY ></HTML>Connection closed by foreign host.

          • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Informative)

            by YA_Python_dev (885173) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @11:03AM (#13380149) Journal
            Not anymore...

            Yeah: it still works, you just need to send at least the start of a valid Jabber stream. Instead of "?" try sending:

            <stream:stream to='talk.google.com' xmlns='jabber:client' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams'>

            • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Interesting)

              by loconet (415875) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @12:56PM (#13381363) Homepage
              Interesting. The reply is:

              <stream:stream from="gmail.com" id="E454F69B" xmlns:stream="http://etherx.jabber.org/streams" xmlns="jabber:client">

              Notice the "from". It seems to be related to gmail some how?

      • this can only mean one thing (Score:5, Funny)

        by rebug (520669) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @10:22AM (#13379730)
        Google is launching an ahjfgdf service tomorrow.

    • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by the_mighty_$ (726261) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:57AM (#13379004)

      Doesn't really seem to fit with their current strategy unless they tie it into gmail somehow.

      Google's strategy is this: make as many people as possible click on their ads. Gmail was one extension of this idea. It let Google deliver ads not only when people were searching the Internet, but also when they read their emails. A Google IM service would do the same thing. Now Google would also be able to deliver ads when people were chatting.

      In fact, if I were Google, I would be working on Google Browser. Then they could deliver ads whenever someone was browsing the Internet!

      • You mean "Opera"? (Score:5, Funny)

        by Moraelin (679338) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:02AM (#13379048) Journal
        "In fact, if I were Google, I would be working on Google Browser. Then they could deliver ads whenever someone was browsing the Internet!"

        You mean Opera [opera.com]? That's what it does. Serves Google ads as soon as you open the browser, and then for each page you visit.

        • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by the_mighty_$ (726261) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:28AM (#13379275)

          Why would anyone use an AdWare WebBrowser, when there are completely free alternatives, like Firefox, without the ads to piss you off?

          Both you and this chap [slashdot.org] seem to be thinking along the same line.

          However, I think you folks are wrong. Google *could* convince people to use their browser IF they bundled it with some other useful software/service. For example, if they came out with a free service that allowed people to voice chat from their computer to any regular phone and bundled it with the browser, tons of people would switch to Google Browser.

      • Re:Multiplatform? I think not. (Score:5, Informative)

        by lav-chan (815252) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:04AM (#13379061)

        (Assuming again that this is truly going to be a 'Google IM' and it's not just some bizarro misunderstanding,) talk.google.com is running Jabber. If they're going to launch the service tomorrow, that's what they're going to launch with. It's not like they're just running Jabber today and then tomorrow they're going to switch it all up on us with some crazy proprietary protocol.

        And... since Jabber is 'an open and published IM standard'... what have you got to worry about?


        Also, i don't know a whole ton about Jabber or how Google works internally, and i'm not suggesting that it's true or false, but what are the chances that maybe talk.google.com is just like a corporate Jabber server? Like for Google employees to talk to each other? :shrug:

      • Re:180 degrees? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Andrewkov (140579) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:29AM (#13379286)
        Gmail is almost IM .. With the threading of the messages and the speed of it, I've had very rapid conversations going back and forth. No video or audio mind you. But having GIM tied into GMail seems like a natural evolution. (I think I just coined a phrase, GIM, haha).

  • if it comes out... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mix_master_mike (540678) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:45AM (#13378892) Homepage
    It will have to tie into the new sidebar (update?) and will probably link to gmail accounts - which means that it could be BETA only? In any regard, I'm excited for it, pending its real.

    • Re:if it comes out... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Iriel (810009) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:10AM (#13379117) Homepage
      Personally, I couldn't care less if it's only BETA. I've been using quite a large amount of beta probrams from Google and I've yet to be disappointed. As far as tie ins, here's my idea:

      The reason everything is still in beta is because Google wants to find out what their 'core' set of applications are going to be. Once they find the real crowd pleaser beta applications, they can work on a final release of each with features that integrate all of them.

      It may never happen, but I think an instant messenger service could be an interesting way to unite the applications, like drawing a map in a google earth and using it's GoogleChat plug-in to send the .gmp(some made-up google map file extension) file to your friend which is imported into a pullout window in their GoogleDeskbar that they've been using for chat.

      It's just an idea.

    • Re:if it comes out... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by XMyth (266414) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:21AM (#13379209) Homepage
      Wouldn't have to be an update to add it to the sidebar....you can already download additional panels for the sidebar...that's all it'd be.

    • Re:if it comes out... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by KDan (90353) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:27AM (#13379266) Homepage
      If:

      1) It requires a GMail account
      2) It is automatically available to all GMail users from their web interfaces

      Then:

      3) It is a masterstroke. In one day they'll go from zero IM users to zillions. Bravo Google.

      Daniel

  • Someone at google... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by LordEd (840443) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:46AM (#13378895)
    configured talk.google.com to redirect to www.google.com/talk. Its currently an empty page, but perhaps that means something.

    • Re:Someone at google... (Score:5, Informative)

      by dragonman97 (185927) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:44AM (#13379418)
      Nearly all Google's services work in such a fashion, though. For instance, sms.google.com sends you to google.com/sms, and similarly for many of their other tools. I'll wait for a real announcement before I assume anything.

  • VOIP dialing from buddy list (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Elpepe55 (877639) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:46AM (#13378900)
    Apparently this will feature VOIP as direct competition to Skype.

    • Re:VOIP dialing from buddy list (Score:5, Interesting)

      by asliarun (636603) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:53AM (#13378971)
      I think so too. Tie this with the fact that Google's buying a whole lot of dark fibre, it makes sense. They've already released the upgraded desktop search along with the sidebar. Deploying the IM through their toolbar or sidebar would be a piece of cake for Google. The question is: how do they make money from a VOIP service or even an IM application if they'll provide the service for free?

        • Re:VOIP dialing from buddy list (Score:5, Funny)

          by Bitsy Boffin (110334) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:03AM (#13379052) Homepage
          How do you do context ads on VOIP? Voice recognition isn't good enough.

          I can just imagine...

          So Bob, I was talking to Jim the other day about that new medication he's on...
          BEEEEP, Google here, I heard you talking about medication, can I interest you in some PENIS ENLARGEMENT PILLS? Press 3 followed by the hash key to learn more, or press 1 to continue your conversation.

  • YAIM (Score:5, Funny)

    by gatkinso (15975) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:47AM (#13378908)
    Yet Another Instant Messanger.

    Just what we need!

  • Just "Being Google" not enough. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bitsy Boffin (110334) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:47AM (#13378909) Homepage
    I don't see what Google has to gain in doing this, surely it would be an incredible uphill battle for an IM released by them to capture any significant portion of the market against the established clients running over MSN's and AIM's protocols.

    They would have to come up with something pretty interesting to cause enough buzz to get people to switch I think.

    Well, tomorrow will tell by the looks of things, one way or the other.

    • Re:Just "Being Google" not enough. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by quark101 (865412) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:50AM (#13378936)
      Part of the allure though is that it will be by Google. Their name alone is enough to make some people switch. In the eyes of many, Google can do no wrong, especially since it has been releasing so many cool programs for free, ala Google Earth, the Sidebar, Gmail, etc.

    • Hotmail (Score:5, Insightful)

      by PhYrE2k2 (806396) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:51AM (#13378954)
      They grabbed a lot of hotmail users at the time when they launched gmail. How is this any different? Microsoft grabbed tons of MSN Messenger users making ICQ's market share take a HUGE dive at that point (almost everyone I know switched over for example).

      Why would they have nothing to gain and why would it be difficult? They offer something better (faster connections, less intrusive ads [since it would be supported by premium VoIP services], easier than remembering a number, more video features, more voice features, linking with cell phones, VoIP, more games, etc) and people will move to it. Better yet, support other messenger services (a-la Trillian... they can do this with Jabber for example) and why would anyone use MSN? There isn't really a barrier to entry. One geek will drag over their friends, and repeat.

      -M

      • Re:Hotmail (Score:5, Insightful)

        by senzafine (630873) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:05AM (#13379069) Homepage
        The difference between switching email providers and IM providers is that email is universal. If i sign up today for a GMail account I can use it to communicate with anyone who has an email address. However, with IM that's not the case. I think it would be awesome if they released an IM program that connected to a propietary Google protocol but also allowed me to connect to AIM. Then I wouldn't have to use trillian anymore (even though I love trillian).

        • Jabber (Score:5, Informative)

          by PhYrE2k2 (806396) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:32AM (#13379311)
          Jabber has server modules that connect you to most major networks. That's the real push for Jabber is that it bridges the gap. Until M$ blocks Google's IPs (heh), Google could technically put a bridge in there and make connections to Microsoft's servers for every user.

          -M

        • INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION SERVICES (Score:5, Interesting)

          by PhYrE2k2 (806396) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:54AM (#13379512)
          MSN has:
            - reliability issues where it will go down for whole days or mornings at times- happening maybe every couple months for year. Google could use their high-availability knowledge to keep this lifeline alive
            - integration to PSTN. If Google IM is always open, it's an easy transition to call family all around the world cheaply without the need to switch home phones and get a separate service (Skype for example).
            - Fewer ads. Google would make its money on PSTN services, video conferences, features like '3-way calling' and 'conference calling' that need the network to merge several streams together or manage them. Google could make the ads smaller and less intrusive
            - Fewer full-screen emoti-blips *hehe*
            - file sharing, music sharing, resource sharing.

          There is tons of untapped potential that M$ isn't doing. M$ is instead adding in full-screen emiti-blips (if I wanted a program to take over my whole screen when I'm working on something else, I would run a game.. It's happened before... typing in my credit card number and a MSN window takes focus... good thing I don't look at the keyboard when I type).

          IM isn't just IM anymore. IM is about communication, information sharing, etc. All of Google's services are INFORMATION (search, maps, etc) or COMMUNICATION (gmail, talk) based- they're just adding more to the mix.

          -M
    • jabber may well be "something pretty interesting". Several of us are already running a jabber server ( which has plugins to other services, btw ).

      If they released an IM service based on jabber, they'd already have an install base ( albeit, not as large as aim/msn ), with the capabilities to talk to the other services through the server of your choice.

      The trick would be releasing a decent client. I know of only one jabber client currently that's usable on a daily basis, the rest are just too awkward or weird ( interface design is not "easy" it would seem, or most people leave it as an afterthought, if it even gets that much ).

      We'll see, regardless, over the next few days. I think it'd be interesting to see google jump behind jabber. That might give the project the kick in the ass it needs.

  • Video (Score:4, Interesting)

    by datadriven (699893) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:49AM (#13378922) Homepage
    Any chances for a linux client that does video?

    • Re:Video (Score:5, Funny)

      by MadFarmAnimalz (460972) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:15AM (#13379154) Homepage
      Any chances for a linux client that does video?

      No.

      How many times do we have to go over this?

      Okay. Now pay attention. The day we get something like that is the day Linus' head explodes and the stump of his neck becomes a nesting ground for wild geese.

      Linux cannot, by unwritten rule, have IM with solid video capabilities. It's common law; it's like our magna carta.

      Anyhow, if that's what you want then you could probably ask some guru which CLI tools to chain together quite against their will. Maybe something like this will work:

      echo /dev/Webcam > mplayer | gaim >& /dev/null &

      (disclaimer: I love linux, but the parent is right; nothing decent like that for linux; careful, I have mod points - mention gnome meeting and I'll, err... err.)

  • Google Cliche'? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ZipprHead (106133) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:50AM (#13378932) Homepage
    I wonder if Google will monitor what is being chatted about and throw up relevant banner ads.

    With google trying to dominate searching, news, usenet, email and now chat? At what point in time will they become cliche'?

  • Gabber? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Doc Ruby (173196) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:50AM (#13378941) Homepage Journal
    If this rumor is true, and I run my own Jabber server, can my users connect through my server into Google's users? Are directory and filesharing services mergeable, to appear to my users like I'm part of Google (authentication, etc)? Which IM gateway that gets my users onto the most IM networks, with the largest aggregate user reach?

  • Google might launch tomorrow (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jurt1235 (834677) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:51AM (#13378944) Homepage
    And I just run into somebody on the street proclaiming that the world might fall to pieces tomorrow (actually claiming that the world will end tomorrow, and then asking for a donation. I failed to see the short term use of that donation, so I just wished him luck).

    Anyway: Come back tomorrow and see if google really launched a IM. And if they do, then please not in google earth style or any other google windows only products. If they really want to play along with the big boys, they should make it crossplatform. It is what they owe their current status to!

  • Fail to see the point (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Octagon Most (522688) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @08:52AM (#13378959)
    This seems to be a throwback to the 1990's portal strategy of "stickiness." That is, trying to keep users in the offered services as long as possible in order to market to them. I would be more inclined to believe in a Google messaging system if it was designed around the concepts of search. Google can already offer search via any IM service using a bot to return results just as they do via SMS. Google Desktop can search IM logs from any client that saves logs in a text file. So what's the advantage of yet another IM service? Sure it might raise the profile of Jabber but I don't see that much helping the situation. Unless they are going to unveil some form of speech archiving and searching, I don't see what use this will be.

  • It's real: it's a Jabber server! (Score:5, Informative)

    by YA_Python_dev (885173) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:04AM (#13379067) Journal

    This time is not a rumor!

    Try it for yourself. Send a string like:

    <stream:stream to='talk.google.com' xmlns='jabber:client' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams'>

    to talk.google.com, port 5222. It will respond with a valid RFC 3920 [faqs.org] (Jabber) stream!

  • In other News -- Google Cap Up $Bn! (Score:5, Informative)

    by shashark (836922) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:06AM (#13379084)
    http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/050823/markets_stocks_befo rethebell.html?.v=1 [yahoo.com] Google Inc. (GOOG) rose nearly 1 percent before the bell on Tuesday after the Los Angeles Times reported the Web search company will launch its own instant messaging system
    Shares of Google rose $2.54 to $276.55 on the Inet electronic brokerage system, from a $2.74.01 close on Nasdaq.

    Boy oh Boy, that's almost $1 BN ($0.767 BN to be exact) jump in market cap. Tin foil hats and Conspiracy theorists, jump right in.

  • Different? Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hritcu (871613) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:11AM (#13379124) Homepage
    "Because the reality is, there's not a whole lot of difference between their search [engine] and anyone else's."
    We don't need Google to be different then the other search engines, as long as it returns the most relevant results :)

  • Sounds Silly, but I wouldn't mind.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by caffeinex36 (608768) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:12AM (#13379129)
    Sounds Silly, but I wouldn't mind a "Google Internet Suite" type thing, that had maybe a client that incorprated google desktop, picasa, IM and gmail as well as search all in one. maybe have some desktopish options like archiving locally some gmail, linking between photos/emails/IM's and files, would definitly be powerful.

  • Feature (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sethadam1 (530629) * <adam&firsttube,com> on Tuesday August 23 2005, @09:33AM (#13379322) Homepage
    Okay, some time ago, Gmail changed form using your "Gmail account" to using your "Google account," so it's a safe bet us gmail'ers already have our Google IM id. However, how cool would it be if you could "save your chat history" or even a specific conversation to a "GIM Chats" label in your Gmail account, which you can then access and search like any other gmail "conversation?

    The potential to integrate your IM conversations into a web based store has NOT been investigated, despite Yahoo and MSN both seemingly having the capability to do so.

    It would seem logging and storing ALL IM chats would likely be a waste of disk space as most of it is generally disposable, but I've had several chats I would like to refer back to with important URLs and phone numbers, etc.

    • Re:Feature (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Just Some Guy (3352) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Tuesday August 23 2005, @10:16AM (#13379678) Homepage Journal
      As long as you can actually delete (and not just archive) chats, yeah, that could be cool. I suspect, though, that many people say a lot of things in IM that they'd never put in an email. I have one friend that I still use the "LAN party chat style" with:

      Me: sup crack?
      Him: i r busy bunghole

      I really don't want to see that stuff saved for posterity (or the day I forget to log out of Gmail before my wife uses the computer).

    • Re:Feature (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anthony Liguori (820979) on Tuesday August 23 2005, @10:28AM (#13379787) Homepage
      I would say I'm a pretty average IM user. I've logged my IM conversations for the past two years. The current log directory is 38M.

      Logging has proved invaluable. Not only is it useful for searching for phone numbers, addresses, etc. but it's really useful as a student so that you can go back and refer to discussions about a particular assignment.

      I think that IM clients should enable logging by default.
    • What is "Buzz Team"?
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      calum@womble ~ $

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