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Firefox 2.0 Beta 2 Arrives

Posted by Zonk on Thu Aug 31, 2006 03:37 PM
from the enjoy-the-pretty dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla has released Beta 2 of its upcoming Firefox 2 browser for developer review. It is being made available for testing purposes only. The release contains a number of new features, as well as some enhancements to look and feel. DesktopLinux.com has posted a list of the changes along with a few quick screen grabs. Apparently, the download can be found on Mozilla's ftp site."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:42PM (#16018948)
    Can this version happily co-exist with my existing Firefox 1.5 installation without screwing everything up? I'm eager to try out FF 2.0, but not if it causes problems with the version I have installed already.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:48PM (#16019022)
      Yes. I downloaded 2.0b2 and installed it alongside 1.5.0.6 and played with it for about 10 minutes. I like that you can reopen a recently closed tab. I don't like how Adblock and Flashblock are no longer compatible with it. I uninstalled it and am back to 1.5.0.6 without any problems.
    • by _xeno_ (155264) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:53PM (#16019078) Homepage Journal

      Short answer: no.

      Long answer: Sure, if you make sure you use a new profile and never run Firefox 2.0 beta2 using your old profile.

      If you don't understand what I just said, then stick with "no." Portable versions of Firefox 2.0beta2 may coexist as long as they don't use the standard profile directory. Unless you're absolutely sure that your existing profile won't be touched, it's best to assume not to.

      In any case, if you're going to try out Firefox 2.0beta2, you should definitely make a backup of your profile.

    • I've been using Firefox 2.0 daily builds [portableapps.com] and Thunderbird 2.0 alpha [portableapps.com] along side the stable versions for quite some time using PortableApps.com [portableapps.com]. They are an entirely self-contained directory separate from your regular install.You can even run PortableFirefox from a CD so make sure to turn on the disk cache, otherwise performance is slow.

      Firefox's auto incremental updates work great, plus it remembers your tabs so after the restart I'm right where I left off. I'm enjoying the built-in spell check--right now i

  • Firefox 2? (Score:5, Funny)

    by KSobby (833882) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:43PM (#16018953)
    Isn't Clint Eastwood a bit old to be doing this stuff?
  • Portable version (Score:5, Informative)

    by xorowo (733585) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:44PM (#16018965) Homepage Journal
    For those of you that want to test this out without installing it, consider a portable version of Firefox 2 Beta 2 [cybernetnews.com].
  • by Aqws (932918) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:45PM (#16018985) Journal
    FireFox, 2B or not 2B.
  • by eyeye (653962) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:45PM (#16018991) Homepage Journal
    "toolbar buttons now glow when you hover over them."

    FINALLY!
          • > Actually, every other released browser has moved to using a close box for each tab, and it's generally considered the superior interface. I find it jarring when I switch to a browser still using one close box off in the far right. If you want to quickly close tabs, use Ctrl/Cmd-W.

            Warning: Rant coming on.

            And if you want to feel incoherent rage, type "Alt-F(file-menu),C(close tab)" for a year and then go to Wikipedia and try to close the page. Oops. You can't, because some dumb fuck decided it sho

  • by anagama (611277) <`thepotter' `at' `yahoo.com'> on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:46PM (#16019000) Homepage
    Looks like Firefox drank the coolaid and opted for the tab closing button on each tab, thus presenting a moving target for closing tabs. I hope they make single button an option a least.
    • by .killedkenny (589139) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:51PM (#16019064)
      -Red X (Close Button)-
      Some people were frustrated that Mozilla added a close button to every tab which resulted in an extension that removed those close buttons. Well, you no longer need to get an extension to remove those pesky X's, in fact there are multiple options that you can do now: display a close button on the active tab only, display close buttons on all tabs, don't display any close buttons, and display a single close button at the end of the tab strip (Firefox 1.x behavior). Here is how you can customize the placement:

            1. Start Firefox.
            2. In the Address Bar type "about:config" and press Enter.
            3. Right-Click and select New->Integer.
            4. A box requesting the Preference Name will popup and you should enter "browser.tabs.closeButtons" (without the quotes). Press OK to continue.
            5. Now you need to select the type of close button you want: 0 - display a close button on the active tab only, 1 - display close buttons on all tabs, 2 - don't display any close buttons, and 3 - display a single close button at the end of the tab strip (Firefox 1.x behavior). After entering the value corresponding to your preference press OK again.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      why not close tabs with the middle button (the same one that opens them) ? I never use that cross on the right, will disable the cross on each tab..
      And now that I think of it I'll try to find a way to disable that red cross on the right you like so much ;). how can I do that with FF 1.x ?
      • Re:Solution. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by jfengel (409917) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:56PM (#16019117) Homepage Journal
        It's not a question of closing multiple tabs. It's the fact that if you want to close the current tab, you have to hunt it down visually, rather than going to the same place in the window no matter what tab you're viewing.

        We're talking about a difference of perhaps a tenth of a second, but of such microscopic units of time are human-factors decisions made. Interfaces are all about developing habits, and things that make it hard to form habits interfere with smooth operation. Maybe the new interface would make different and better habits; maybe not. I didn't think so, but YMMV.
      • by ZeroExistenZ (721849) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:01PM (#16019175)
        What about the middle button-click on the tab? (mostly using the clickable scrollbutton on your mouse)

        It took a bit of adjustment, but middleclicking a link to open it in a new tab is really easy; in the case of slashdot I just load the comments I want to read, or the article while I browse on until I decide to go more in depth or reply without losing where you were.

        When finished, I just middle-click the tab. It dramatically speeds up the browsing experience if you're used to using your mouse alot. (once I'm actually with both hands on my keyboard I tend to switch to keyboard shortcuts. But it's tedious to get to the right links using TAB)
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          In linux, middle-click performs a different funtion, namely, it pastes whatever text was last highlighted into the location bar and tries to go there. Maybe it's changeable but out of the box, middle-click does not close tabs in firefox in linux.
  • by User 956 (568564) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:46PM (#16019006) Homepage
    New Firefox 2 feature: Inline spell checking -- A new built-in spell checker enables users to quickly check the spelling of text entered into Web forms.

    But will this detect antiquated Elglish, such as when people use "ask" instead of "ax"?
  • NSIS (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Trillan (597339) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:51PM (#16019058) Homepage Journal
    I hadn't heard that Firefox was switching to NSIS.

    Was the old installer Mozilla-specific code?

    Either way, the switch sounds like a good idea. The old installer had its issues, and focusing on the browser and improving an existing (and already quite reasonable) installer is a great idea.
  • by TheWoozle (984500) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:52PM (#16019071)
    Anyway, Opera has most of these "new" features, and consumes fewer resources. I switched, and haven't looked back.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Opera is rubbish. I loathe Opera.

      I'm a web programmer and we run a site that supports opera 7+, IE5+, anything Gecko, Safari 1.2+. Opera is a bitch when it comes to writing javascript. Let me count the problems (BTW this is for the latest version):

      1. Opera hates innnerHTML. So generating options for a select list and then setting it using innerHTML means opera doesn't work.

      2. Opera doesn't like generated elements and doesn't treat them in the same way as elements that were part of the page. For example if y
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Opera is a bitch when it comes to writing javascript.

        Most of the time it's people who are bitches when it comes to writing JavaScript. There are now even some websites that take use of Gecko's internal XBL methods that are wrongfully exposed to regular web pages (Gmail's chat comes to mind, with its explicitOriginalTarget property).

        1. Opera hates innnerHTML. So generating options for a select list and then setting it using innerHTML means opera doesn't work.

        Do you know that the innerHTML property is Microso

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        1. InnerHTML is a proprietary IE-created feature. It is not javascript. Regardless, Opera has in fact supported it for several years now. If you are having a specific problem you might want to report it so it can be fixed: https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/ [opera.com]

        2. I just wrote a quick test generating a select with options and selecting an option with javascript and it works fine for me (innerhtml and dom methods both worked). Maybe I am misunderstanding what specifically you are having problems with?

        3. What does t
      • That's the beauty of Opera. It already ships with the features, so you don't need to hunt down and install "extensions" or compile them yourself.

        Plus, no memory leak bug or reimplemented widget controls (I have an operating system that provides those natively, thanks).
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          Plus, no memory leak bug or reimplemented widget controls (I have an operating system that provides those natively, thanks).

          That'd be nice if not for the fact that isn't true, and very very obviously isn't true on OS X. Run through this checklist:

          • Opera's dialogs and window chrome don't respect the system default font settings -- Opera uses a smaller setting that makes it feel extremely out of place.
          • Opera's form controls in web pages don't respect the system default settings -- the system says "Luc
  • More like opera? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:56PM (#16019110)
    Reading over the new features mentioned and looking over the screenshots, it looks like Firefox is starting to look like Opera. The interesting thing is that Firefox started of with the concept of having a completely minimal browser where the extensions are used to customize it to the user. However, now it just seems like their copying the concepts that a bunch of popular extensions introduced (or copied from other browsers like Opera) and incorporating them into the core because they want to either improve their performance or manage the memory leaks or whatnot that 3rd party extensions cause.

    On some level, it's nice, but the one thing I prefer about extensions is that their feature/fix rate is fairly more frequent than Firefox's. It will be interesting to see where Firefox is 5 years from now.
  • by Excors (807434) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:10PM (#16019251)

    Instead of ftp.mozilla.org, try the mirror page [mozilla.org] – currently it seems to list beta 1, but you should be able to modify the download URL to get the en-US beta 2 [mozilla.com].

    One small area that has had a reasonable amount of improvement in Firefox 2 is canvas [whatwg.org] support – I've been working on a canvas-based FPS engine [lazyilluminati.com] and get about 50% better performance in FF2 than in FF1.5, as well as lots of fixed bugs and memory leaks.

    Most major changes (like the new graphics infrastructure that'll help provide hardware accelerated rendering, full-page zooming, HTML inside SVG [mozillazine.org], better printing, etc) are being left for Firefox 3, but FF2 seems like a solid improvement over the previous version.

    The canvas is actually a nice example of progress on the web. After too many years with very little going on, the major modern browsers developers (Mozilla, Opera, Apple) are working in the WHATWG [whatwg.org] to add new features – it's a balance between proprietary extensions and W3C-style specifications, with browsers implementing features at the same time as the spec is being written and guiding its development. There's room for competition between browsers in terms of feature support, and we don't have to wait years for the standards to be completed first – but it's hopefully without the old problems of those features being proprietary and poorly designed. For example, Opera 9 supports much of Web Forms 2.0 [whatwg.org] and the Mozilla developers are just starting work on it too; and it's also designed to be backward-compatible, so the new forms are still usable in all browsers and can be emulated in some (e.g. IE) with JavaScript. Firefox 2 seems to be the first browser with client-side session and persistent storage [whatwg.org], but web sites written to benefit from that feature will be able to immediately work with future versions of e.g. Opera that support it too.

    With the popularity of trends like AJAX encouraging people to think about new ways to interact with users over the web, and browsers adding features to expand the possibilities open to web developers, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few years.

  • by pcause (209643) on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:15PM (#16019314)
    Been using today and it seems more responsive than Beta 1 and after a day a bit more reliable. Quick look seems to indicate that it uses less memory. Lots of add ins won't work with this and we should (hopefully) see a bunch of updates soon so that we can get our favorite add ins back!

    The new tabs look nicer. I hate the "go" button and haven't figured how to turn it off, but I'm sure someone will create a theme without it.

  • This is INCORRECT (Score:5, Informative)

    by asa (33102) <asa@mozilla.com> on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:26PM (#16019401) Homepage
    We have not yet released Firefox 2 Beta 2. This story is incorrect.

    - Asa
  • by AeroIllini (726211) <aeroillini&gmail,com> on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:32PM (#16019450)
    Built-Phishing Protection:

    WARNING:

    The man you are about to converse with is not really a high ranking General in the Nigerian army, he does not really have a rich uncle who died tragically in a plane crash in Siberia, and he absolutely DOES NOT have $53.4 million dollars to smuggle out of Nigeria for his uncle's poor orphaned children. You will not get 30%. Trust us.

    ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?

    +----+ +--------+
    | OK | | CANCEL |
    +----+ +--------+
  • Scrolling tabs? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AeroIllini (726211) <aeroillini&gmail,com> on Thursday August 31 2006, @04:39PM (#16019511)
    FTFA:
    Power users who open more tabs than can fit in a single window will see arrows on the left and right side of the tab strip that let them scroll back and forth between their tabs.


    Am I the only person who thinks this is a stupid and counter-productive idea? When was the last time you (the population of /., the proported "power users") actually clicked on the up and down arrows to scroll, anywhere outside a Flash application that forces you? It takes forever! I usually use the middle mouse button, click in the middle scroll area to jump, or click and drag the scroll handle.

    I like the idea of having more tabs than window space, but fer cryin' out loud, two scroll buttons are not the way to handle it. How about multiple rows of tabs? Or right click + drag to scroll back and forth? Or a drop down menu of tabs?

    I thought we all agreed that Flash applications that break scrolling are a Bad Thing (tm).
  • Linux builds (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Trogre (513942) on Thursday August 31 2006, @05:05PM (#16019715) Homepage
    Have they done anything to fix performance on linux builds?

    It's sad watching FF on a dual boot system run significantly slower under linux than under window on the same machine. Especially when other linux applications fly.

    And it's not even just DNS lookups. Simply switching tabs can take up to a second (?!) under linux whereas under windows it's 0.2 seconds (the perceived direct interaction threshold for most people).

  • I keep asking ... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tumbleweed (3706) * on Thursday August 31 2006, @05:20PM (#16019844) Homepage
    ... where's the multithreaded UI?! Gah.

    (Yes, 'Gah.' I went there.)
  • More features? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Korin43 (881732) on Thursday August 31 2006, @08:12PM (#16020829) Homepage Journal
    Can we have less features and just bug-fixes? I mean, the reason I used Firefox in the first place was because it was tiny. Don't go making it into Netscape again..
    • by bigbigbison (104532) on Thursday August 31 2006, @03:50PM (#16019041) Homepage
      A beta was unstable and not ready for daily use? That's umpossible!

      Seriously, beta 1 was unstable for me as well until I realized that it was because of a couple extensions that I had installed with the nightly tester tool that were crashing it. Since I removed those I haven't had any trouble with beta 1.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          The spec states [whatwg.org]:

          In non-visual media, and in visual media with scripting disabled, the canvas element should be treated as an ordinary block-level element and the fallback content should therefore be used instead.

          which sounds like what you want. Unfortunately Mozilla hasn't implemented that behaviour, which is a bug (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3025 66) that ought to be fixed. (I guess you could get the right behaviour by creating the canvas element in script and adding it to the DOM, but

      • For people without the hard drive space to dual boot, is Konqueror or any other KHTML based web browser ported to Microsoft Windows yet?

        Dual boot? Why would you install Windows to run Konqueror?