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Plasma: The Next-Generation KDE Environment Review

Posted by Hemos on Mon Sep 18, 2006 09:57 AM
from the you-got-plasma-all-over-my-screen dept.
slashy writes, "MadPenguin has taken a quick look at Plasma, the next gen. KDE environment. 'Plasma is an ambitious project being pursued by the KDE 4 team which aims at providing a workflow-sensitive design of the user interface that improves productivity of an average KDE user. The focus is on improving the clarity and reducing the clutter present in today's desktops. The plasma development will bring together key contributors, such as the visual artists, usability experts, technology experts, programmers, and enthusiasts at a very early stage during the development process. This will enable them to create a new desktop environment that meets the requirements of novices and experts alike.'"
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  • Reducing clutter (Score:4, Insightful)

    by betterunixthanunix (980855) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:02AM (#16130143)
    Let me start by saying that I have been waiting for KDE 4 since it was first announced, mainly because of it's lower memory requirements.

    Having said that, I have found that most people will clutter their desktops regardless of what the software tries to do. Remember XP's desktop cleanup wizard, which attempted to help people remove things from their desktops that they didn't use often? I still see the majority of people with hundreds of icons and files haphazardly arranged. When I helped my friend migrate to Linux, it only took him a week to turn KDE into an icon pile. Add Firefox into the mix, which drops downloads onto the desktop by default, and the battle is completely lost.

    • by tolan-b (230077) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:09AM (#16130203)
      I think they mean UI clutter rather than clutter of the desktop 'surface'.
    • I agree, it's pretty much always the user who creates these problems, I use GNOME but I have at most 4 icons on my desktop. I used to use KDE and think I had a similar number. I wonder what they could take away which will not reduce productivity, I mean I need the computer, home and wastebasket (and my external HD is just handy to have there)

      They could stop people creating icons or files on the desktops but that will really annoy people because some just like it there.

      Shame I couoldn't get to the ar
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        somebody said in another post somewhere beneath the top of this thread:

        "toss in firefox which automatically sets downloads to the desktop, and the battle is lost"

        maybe it would help if in firefox's initial setup wizard, it prompted where you want downloads to go to - somewhere like My Documents\Downloads for Windows, and somewhere like /home/username/downloads/ for Linux with the option to change directories...

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          maybe it would help if in firefox's initial setup wizard, it prompted where you want downloads to go to - somewhere like My Documents\Downloads for Windows, and somewhere like /home/username/downloads/ for Linux with the option to change directories...

          It is possible to change the default download directory rather easily... and there are extensions which help you filter and sort downloads so you can send .mp3 to ~/music, .mpg to ~/video and .doc to ~/trash.

          AFAIK downloading everything to desktop by default

    • ...an icon pile? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by NotQuiteReal (608241) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:15AM (#16130243) Journal
      So?

      I thought the whole idea of personal computers was to allow people to work they way they wanted to?

      You may like clean desktops while others like cluttered desktops.

      Let's start a holy war over how many icons can dance on a screen.

    • That's why I say we get rid of the damn thing. That's what your home directory is for; there's no reason to put stuff in a useless place like the desktop as well, where it will be obscured whenever you actually start doing things.

      Of course, I don't think they were talking about desktop icons in TFA. I just wanted to throw in my anti-icon rant here.
      • by nostriluu (138310) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:36AM (#16130430) Homepage
        I think the metaphor for the "desktop" is, ahem, a "desktop".. an intermediate place with stuff you haven't put away yet, or are actively working on, resides.

        Just putting everything in your home folder /would/ be a disaster.

        Of course, it's nice to have multiple desktops, so when you're working on a different task you can just go to a different desk.

        Hmm.. doesn't seem like you can change the Mac's desktop on the fly.

    • by Jesselnz (866138) on Monday September 18 2006, @11:05AM (#16130709)
      • It's nice to see someone publicly displaying the use of cracks, roms and serial numbers. Oh, I suppose he owns all that software...my mistake.
    • Re:Reducing clutter (Score:4, Informative)

      by Knuckles (8964) <knuckles.dantian@org> on Monday September 18 2006, @01:49PM (#16132262)
      Remember XP's desktop cleanup wizard, which attempted to help people remove things from their desktops that they didn't use often?

      Oh yes, very well. It is among the worst pieces of idiocy created in the name of helping inexperienced users I know. Apparently it is purely date-driven and disregards the existence of actual user sessions during the time span it waits until moving the user's files from the desktop into a subfolder. The result was that my mum, who often does not log in for a month and more, called me everytime she did log in, saying "I don't know what happened. All the files I created last time are gone." That is, until I visited and disabled it of course.

      The fact that this hopelessly thoughtless implementation did not help users to be more organized is no proof that users are hopeless.
      • Re:Reducing clutter (Score:5, Informative)

        by LLuthor (909583) <lexington.luthor@gmail.com> on Monday September 18 2006, @10:17AM (#16130263)
        QT 3's internal data structures are quite bloated and require a lot of memory. In QT4 a lot of bloat has been removed or trimmed, and a number of things can now share memory where previously they had each their own copies.

        Simply re-compiling a trivial GUI app from QT3 to QT4 will give noticable performance and memory usage improvement (even if you do not change the code at all).

        Not to mention the other improvements in things like MOC which make debugging and testing easier.
        • by TommydCat (791543) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:43AM (#16130492) Homepage
          Simply re-compiling a trivial GUI app from QT3 to QT4 will give noticable performance and memory usage improvement (even if you do not change the code at all).

          # emerge --update --newuse world

          ...and the Gentoo crowd goes wild!

          • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2006, @10:53AM (#16130596)
            # emerge --update --newuse world
            ...and the Gentoo crowd goes wild!


            Well, they have plenty of time to go wild now.
        • Re:Reducing clutter (Score:5, Informative)

          by davFr (679391) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:45AM (#16130507)
          AFAIK, there is no way to compile directly Qt3 applications to Qt4. The Qt4 does not support all previous Qt3 widgets, and their is no automatic and efficient way to transform Qt3 code to Qt4. That said, Qt4 is certainly more memory efficient than Qt3, as it was the main development goal. My 2 cents.
          • Re:Reducing clutter (Score:5, Informative)

            by Psiren (6145) on Monday September 18 2006, @11:00AM (#16130658)
            The Qt4 does not support all previous Qt3 widgets

            There is a Qt3 support library [trolltech.com] in Qt4. It does look like some renaming of classes will be required, but I'd imagine any small codebase could be converted reasonably quickly.
  • A quick look? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ledow (319597) * on Monday September 18 2006, @10:04AM (#16130159) Homepage
    A quick look is somewhat understating the review - not a single screenshot and 8 paragraphs of next-to-nothing except what "will" or "should" be in Plasma.

    Useful content: 1%

    Like the "Buy a Link Now" on the article itself... I think someone just bought themselves a link from Slashdot.
    • Re:A quick look? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by LWATCDR (28044) on Monday September 18 2006, @11:00AM (#16130665) Homepage Journal
      I do have to wonder what that review was? Wouldn't preview be a better term. I mean to review something it has to exist, which KDE 4 doesn't yet.
      I can honestly say I like BOTH gnome and KDE. I prefer to work in gnome but KDE is prettier and frankly more fun.
      With KDE I created a totally useless script that pulls down a few images from some websites using wget. I then set the KDE desktop to use a slide show background. So now have a wall paper that rotates through two hi resolution webcam shots of a local beach and the weather radar.
      Like I said fun but useless. To get Gnome to do the same I am thinking of writing a desklet.
  • by rayde (738949) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:12AM (#16130229) Homepage
    (i am not trolling here, this is just my observation) i think most linux fans fall into one of two camps. Those who want Gnome and KDE to stop doing parallel efforts and instead concentrate on a unified GUI for linux... and then those who appreciate having more choices and want KDE and Gnome to push each other.

    I fall into the former. I think it's a pain when you see some cool feature or eyecandy or whatever appearing in the desktop environment you aren't using... but it isn't enough to make you totally switch your current desktop. And just when you do go and switch, your old environment will come out with some sweet feature and you're back to square one.

    i realize it's a complicated issue, and neither KDE nor Gnome is about to fold and allow the other to take precidence... but I still look forward to the day when everyone is working towards a common goal, and when a new user interface element is implemented, everybody can benefit from it.

    • Don't forget the camp that considers them both bloated and forgoes them for something else. The Ratpoison/wmii/dwm/Ion/TWM/PekWM/*box using crowd.
      • All in all, it's a good thing we have a choice.

        A single, unified desktop environment would be great for making Linux more accessible to new users. Which is all fine and dandy, but given all the conflicting UI philosophies people adopt, merging would only lead to everyone but the newbies rather dissatisfied.

        All in all, I used to be an avid Gnome user, but grew dissatisfied with it. I still use it, though, because KDE is just not there yet, and certain Gnome applets are just way too useful. With Plasma, KDE

    • I don't think the same way you do.

      Right now, what you are talking about is actually happening.
      UI stuff is not a matter of implementation, but one of design. When the KDE project does something nice, and it happens to work in practice, it's much easier for the Gnome team to add it to Gnome.

      But there is a difference between Gnome users, and KDE users.

      I see KDE target as people who want the latest features, and the most configurability.

      Gnome seems to be about having good features, even if they take a lot of ti
    • by lawpoop (604919) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:35AM (#16130424) Homepage Journal
      I used to think that 'duplication' was just a waste of effort. Wouldn't it be better if we all put our effort together in harmony and came up with the Next Big Thing? United we stand, divided we fall?

      The problem is, when your working on a huge monolithic project like that, people really don't work together. There are arguments and disagreements. Energetical people with radical, new ideas will encounter old farts who want to do things the old way, become disenfranchised and give up. Productive old workhorses will be frustrated by young upstarts trying to pull them in 100 different directions at once, selling a bad idea from 10 years ago as the latest, greatest idea. The project will proceed on the lowest common denominator, implementing vanilla ideas that are promoted simply because nobody could find a reason to reject them.

      Would you like it if Apple and MS got together to make a unified desktop? Don't you think that the bureaucracy and organizational overhead would stymie the project and ultimately water down the end result?

      Instead of waste and duplication, think of it as parallel development teams, developing, implementing, and polishing the latest new ideas as a presentation to the larger mindshare market. Those ideas might need to re-developed or re-implemented, or they may be ready to be included in larger projects, like KDE or Gnome. It's a very effective and efficient way to harness human motivation and inspiration and deliver new ideas to the masses.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      Those who want Gnome and KDE to stop doing parallel efforts and instead concentrate on a unified GUI for linux...

      And all you'd have to do is get the other few dozen GUI projects on board as well. In the meantime you can work on unifying Apple and Microsoft, a much easier task.

      KFG
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Those who want Gnome and KDE to stop doing parallel efforts and instead concentrate on a unified GUI for linux... and then those who appreciate having more choices and want KDE and Gnome to push each other.

      I'm in the latter. Competition is good for almost everything. Without the competition, why would they bother to innovate (think about IE6)? Also, being separate, KDE and GNOME (and XFCE, and Fluxbox, and...) will innovate in different directions, so you have options and are not herded into what "most

  • The K Desktop Environment Environment, you say?
  • The article (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2006, @10:14AM (#16130240)
    Poor poor CMS, the "article" is just some text, full c&p below:

    It has hardly been a few weeks since the release of KDE v3.5.4, one of the most popular desktop environments for Unix/Linux/FreeBSD operating systems, and the KDE development team is already hard at work. They have a dream of revolutionizing the concept of desktop by providing an array of innovative features aimed at improving both the looks of the desktop environment as well as the productivity of end users. In this article, we will look at one such component called Plasma that promises to change the look and feel of a conventional desktop.

    Plasma is an ambitious project being pursued by the KDE 4 team which aims at providing a workflow sensitive design of the user interface that improves productivity of an average KDE user. The focus is on improving the clarity and reducing the clutter present in today's desktops. The plasma development will bring together key contributors, such as the visual artists, usability experts, technology experts, programmers and enthusiasts at a very early stage during the development process. This will enable them to create a new desktop environment that meets the requirements of novice and experts alike.

    One of the immediate goals of plasma is to provide a better looking desktop. The team is cashing in on the improved graphic capabilities of X server (namely COMPOSITE) and Trolltech's Qt application programming interfaces (APIs) to mesmerize you with those stunning looks. Although a great looking desktop will be a welcome step, the KDE team is not assuming that everyone will have the latest version of X server installed. Thus, care is being taken not to make such looks integral to the functioning of the system. Plasma is being designed in such a way that even people with older versions of X server will be able to effectively use their desktops without the unnecessary frills.

    Plasma will be divided into four distinct components. They are:

    - Desktop: In plasma, the role of the desktop will be much more than a place where one keeps beautiful looking icons and immediately required files. In fact, it will be a place for the user and the computer to interact with each other. The desktop will no more be a static entity with a fixed set of icons. Your desktop will be capable of providing different kinds of items and services as and when you need them.

    - Applet: Applets are small programs, such as clocks, weather notification and application launchers (to name a few) that will help you better manage your work. The aim of the plasma team is to make them easy to develop as well as easy to distribute. They can be authored in a plethora of languages including C/C++, Java, Python and Ruby. The team is currently in the process of developing the Application Programming Interfaces (APIs) that will expose the functionality of libplasma library. After developing the applets, they have to be packaged together with all the artwork, HTML and other resource files into a single archive file. This archive file can then easily be distributed over the Internet.

    - Panels: Panels are basically containers for other plasma element. They will be responsible for providing a way to connect applets together.

    - Extenders: Extender is a standard graphic element that provides a plasma element to temporarily grow in size (through some sort of animation) and reveal a larger usable space whenever one clicks or hovers over them. This helps to group related widgets that need not be visible all the time and take up important desktop space. Instead, whenever the user invokes them by means of clicking or hovering, the extender provides a mechanism to reveal the extra information.

    The KDE 4 desktop aims at revolutionizing the concept of a desktop by providing not only an eye-candy look but also a workflow sensitive design. With full support for newer frameworks such as KHotNewStuffs , it will become extremely easy for applications based on KDE to search and download new plugins, extensions and updates from the Internet. According to Zack Rusin, a prominent KDE developer, "Plasma will blow you away. Nothing you've ever seen or will see in the coming years will come even close to what you'll experience with Plasma. And that's a promise." We agree.
  • by TheWoozle (984500) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:28AM (#16130378)
    The average user can't figure out how to organize their *own* desktop to accomodate their workflow better than "this pile of icons is for this, that pile of icons is for that", and these guys are going to come along and have the *computer* decide what's best?

    Sheesh, have we learned nothing from Microsoft? Having the computer decide what things a user can interact with and how the user can interact with them based on a set of hidden, unchangeable rules is counter-productive at best; at times, it can be murderous-rage inducing.

    How about we actually help people become better-organized by, oh, I don't know...teaching them some useful organizational skills?!
  • You know, I had a thoughtful and insightful list of maybe half-a-dozen things/comments about KDE I would want as a power user. Then KWin seg faulted on me and I had to restart X thus losing my comments.

    My list now consists of one things:
    • Fix KWin from seg faulting

    That would be super!
  • by rueger (210566) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:34AM (#16130417) Homepage
    ... which aims at providing a workflow-sensitive design of the user interface that improves productivity of an average KDE user

    My experience with both Windows and OS X is that anytime the OS tries to "help" me it makes life more difficult.

    For me the holy grail of desktop design is one that allows me to place what I want, where I want on the desk top and have it remain exactly where I put it.

    Even better, when I switch from the 12" laptop to the big flat screen on my desk, allow me two desktop settings that make best use of the different real estate available.

    OS X widgets seem like great idea, but I find that the need to pop up or drop into the widget level, and then wait for the actual widgets to load up and begin functioning is a pain in the butt. I'd rather have things like calculators or weather or currency converters right on the desktop and immediately available.

    Apple's solution just seems to add more clicks and more time to do routine tasks.

    If KDE goes the route of trying to guess what I want, please give me the option of turning that guessing game off.
    • Re:active desktop (Score:5, Informative)

      by LeRandy (937290) on Monday September 18 2006, @10:09AM (#16130207)
      No. SuperKaramba will be built in (think Apple OSX Widgets). So your calendar, inbox contents, local weather, PC stats, whatever can be displayed on your desktop. Active Desktop was IIRC just a way of putting HTML or Animations on the desktop - they weren't programs per-se, that could tell you useful stuff.
      • No. SuperKaramba will be built in (think Apple OSX Widgets). So your calendar, inbox contents, local weather, PC stats, whatever can be displayed on your desktop. Active Desktop was IIRC just a way of putting HTML or Animations on the desktop - they weren't programs per-se, that could tell you useful stuff.

        Right. But aren't these things just combinations of XML and Python code? IOW, the grandparent's comment about ActiveDesktop really isn't too far off the mark.

      • Active Desktop was IIRC just a way of putting HTML or Animations on the desktop

        Don't forget the JPEGs.

        Want a .jpeg on your desktop? Sure, enable Active Desktop.

        • Actually, since I'm using Win98SE on my old Thinkpad 760XL (P166-MMX, 64MB RAM, 10GB) I've hit that limitation a few times. However, you can open the JPEG in Internet Explorer and then "Save as..." a BMP. Not that I use MSIE for anything else, though.
    • AKtive DesKtop
    • Re:huh? (Score:4, Informative)

      by ledow (319597) * on Monday September 18 2006, @10:11AM (#16130218) Homepage
      Content: nil
      Useful information: nil
      Reviews of implemented features: nil
      Screenshots: nil
      What it "will" be: 8 paragraphs spread over two pages for no other reason than to increase advertising revenue.
      How they're going to do it: nil
      Useful links: nil
    • by LLuthor (909583) <lexington.luthor@gmail.com> on Monday September 18 2006, @10:21AM (#16130307)
      And do what differently?

      Care to point out some deficiency in the X codebase?
      • And do what differently?

        Make it always display Pretty Pink Ponies.

        Care to point out some deficiency in the X codebase?

        I'm living in the past [slashdot.org]
        • That's an implementation detail.

          Assuming you are talking about the Xorg server, it's going away for X11R7.3, hopefully.
    • Yeah, let's replace it with DirectX running under Wine.
      • by Xabraxas (654195) on Monday September 18 2006, @11:11AM (#16130758)

        we should ditch X-windows altogether. there's really no demanding need, at least in the linux world, for X-windows. sure, one could argue that it's a must in thin-client setups, but the overwhelming majority of linux boxes are not thin clients.

        If it ain't broke, don't fix it. X is being overhauled as we speak (modularization, GLX implementations, etc), but one thing that is staying is the client/server architecture of X. There is nothing wrong with the way it works on a local computer, and it has the added benefit of being able to work across a network. A myth in the FOSS world is that the client/server architecture of X is one of the biggest problems with Unix.

    • Don't give up yet! KDE4 is actually going to be less ressource-intensive than 3, due to major cleanups and enhancements in both Qt4 and the core KDE4 libraries.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      In my experience, with enough RAM anything over 1Ghz is more than enough to run KDE comfortably. And now, we even know KDE's memory requirements are not so high as many claimed them to be:

      http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/ [kde.org]
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Actually, you can use Xgl/compiz" [opensuse.org] with KDE. This works on SuSE 10.1/KDE 3.5.4, but you can probably coax your distro-of-choice to play nice without too much trouble.

          The only thing that sucks is the lack of a GUI configuration window (to my knowledge), so you'll have to edit the compiz config by hand.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      "Plasma is the biggest vaporware open-source has ever producted"

      Really... obviously you don't remember the times when things like Bonobo or Orbit were supposed to revolutionize the free desktop. Then came KDE2 along with Kparts and DCOP technologies, making true what others had only hyped. I don't expect it will be different this time, since the KDE project has a tradition of delivering what was promised. The only thing I fear it will not be in KDE4 will be Tenor, since Scott Wheeler has already stated he d