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Behavioral Search & Advertising On Its Way?

Posted by CmdrTaco on Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:12 AM
from the its-not-hear-already? dept.
cyberianpan writes "Imagine a world where advertisers would be able to predict your detailed behavior online. They would know when you are about to buy a song, a car, a present for your spouse — they would know virtually everything you are thinking. With the acquisition of DoubleClick, Google now has access to the cookies and subsequently browsing history of vast numbers of web users. It would be fair to say that greater than 85% of Internet users frequently come into contact with ads served by DoubleClick. Google could potentially have access to not only the majority of the world's search history but its browsing and e-commerce history as well. The company could know more about web surfers than they know about themselves."
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  • I have a bunch of extensions (Adblock Plus, CustomizeGoogle, Greasemonkey with Disable Text Ads, etc) and I don't think I've seen an ad, text or image, in weeks. What are these ads people speak of? ;)
    • by cuantar (897695) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:17AM (#18750807) Homepage
      I'll add some links! Get Adblock Plus here: http://adblockplus.org/en/ [adblockplus.org] Get Filterset.G Updater here: http://www.pierceive.com/ [pierceive.com] With this pair of extensions, you won't ever see ads again, and the blacklist will update itself automagically.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        The Filterset.G updater, while nice (and updated!), I've found to be much slower than the Adblock Plus filtersets you can install straight from the plugin. Since Adblock had no such updater, it was a very nice additional feature, but it's memory footprint isn't worth the extra ~5 filters a month (IMO) for AB+.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        funny, I block everything apart from google ads. not only do they *shock* sometimes look interesting, but it's also a nice way to thank the webmaster.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          Meh, just have your browser ask about all cookies. Is it annoying at first? Sure. But a) once you've confirmed/denied the cookies for your common sites, you don't have to worry about them again, and b) it gives you some insight into how many frickin' cookies websites try to plant in your browser.
    • I find it highly amusing that something so speculative got on /.

      Does the article use any substantiation beyond Google buying DoubleClick, which they arguably would have done for the sole purpose of keeping the company out of Microsoft's hands?

      Honestly, people are giving Google a hard time on this one. I will too, if they screw it up. But at this point, all I see is a defensive acquisition against a company that has stated the intent of putting them under when they only have ONE revenue stream.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 16 2007, @10:16AM (#18750785)
    The company could know more about web surfers than they know about themselves

    Could it tell me where I left my keys?
  • Except (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Gr8Apes (679165) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:16AM (#18750793)
    What about people that do searches for their relatives? Or their pets? My dog has glaucoma. I'd be troubled greatly if my researching glaucoma medicines (dogs use the same medicine as people for this disease) caused any sort of reaction from anyone other than a pharmacy to offer me lower priced drops/pills. (Hey, check this guy out - he's researching glaucoma medicine and new cars - no cheap loans for him or insurance!!!!)

    I'm doubly glad for adblock and *doubleclick* :)
    • "glaucoma medicine"

      Is it, perchance, that people and animals use the same...herbal remedy?
    • What about people that do searches for their relatives? Or their pets? My dog has glaucoma. I'd be troubled greatly if my researching glaucoma medicines (dogs use the same medicine as people for this disease) caused any sort of reaction from anyone other than a pharmacy to offer me lower priced drops/pills.
      Just be glad you weren't searching for "incontinency" and "huge tits".
  • Adblock? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:17AM (#18750799)
    So if I use adblock [mozdev.org] to block say *.doubleclick.net/* , does that mean that I'm safe from the thought-thieves?
    • *.doubleclick.net/*

      The very first filter line of adblock on my computer. I wouldn't have a web-browser without it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I appreciate that these posts are tagged as humorous, but it is a serious trap that I've found many people falling into. AdBlock does not protect your privacy (as far as I can tell). The cookies are still there. Use Cookie Safe.
  • by Colin Smith (2679) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:17AM (#18750811)
    So instead of taking a year trekking round the world to "find themselves", people could just ask Google.

     
  • Good thing I use http://www.msn.com/ [msn.com]

    *puke*
  • by Turbowaffle (1079577) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:26AM (#18750955)
    Maybe soon Google checkout will know when it's my wife's birthday, and tell me "No no, don't get her that, get her this instead" when I add something to the cart.
  • who the fark lets those things stick around long enough to have useful data? Isn't just accepted practice to do cookie maintenance every few weeks?

    Except of course, now google can pair up my google ID with those doubleclick cookies I keep deleting...
    • Isn't just accepted practice to do cookie maintenance every few weeks?

      Weeks? How about every day? Close Firefox, BAM!, all data gone.

      That said, my position allows me to see the files and such on peoples machines (remotely) and let me tell you, I've seen cookies on machines that are years old. Up to three years in some cases.

      Then again, companies are going apeshit over people deleting cookies [nytimes.com] because they can't accurately track you and are making a concerted effort to convince people to not d

  • Hmm..... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Mockylock (1087585) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:30AM (#18751021) Homepage
    So they know about the endless hours of porn I watch? Hopefully not the midget porn though, right? I mean.. I was discreet about that. There weren't any ads I clicked on or anything.

    Well, now I know my secret is safe.

    Oh wait.
  • by sean.peters (568334) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:31AM (#18751023) Homepage

    If you believe this is impossible then you would be wrong as there are a few companies who have access to enough Internet data to make this privacy lover's nightmare a reality and believe it or not a relatively new science called behavioral targeting is taking the online advertising world by storm.

    Holy crap, I think we need to undertake an emergency mission to airdrop some punctuation into this guy's office. That sentence was just about incomprehensible.

  • TrackMeNot (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 16 2007, @10:31AM (#18751025)

    TrackMeNot [mozilla.org] is a Firefox extension that protects against search data profiling by issuing randomized queries to popular search-engines with fake data.

    If you want to read my mind by analyzing my search queries, I hope you're prepared to sift through a mountain of noise.

    • I don't know why exactly, but I think that is funny as hell. If only enough people use it, this new technology might one day decide that most Intarweb users are latent school teachers and like pink ponies and colorfully planted flowerbeds when they are not trying to raise money to supply more bricks for the addition to their local church.
  • Long-time Firefox/Adblock user here with something of an itchy trigger finger where Adblock is concerned. I've gone as far as completely gutting graphic-intensive web layouts via Adblock just to get pages to load quicker (Gradients on Slashdot? I see no gradients...) and every graphical ad, sponsor/partner link, or anything else commercial-looking I see usually gets the Adblock Special.

    Well, for a long time I was willing to leave Google's text ads alone on the grounds of them being unobtrusive and generally not degrading my browsing experience. They stayed well enough out of the way that it wasn't worth it to me to block them for the minimal improvement I'd see in my load times and the minimal reduction I'd see in corporate crap sullying the pages I'm trying to read. Add to that the fact that the Google text ads were easily enough identified at a glance that they were always instantly recognizable and avoidable and there was never any compelling reason for me to risk harming a few non-profit websites I enjoy by screwing them out of ad revenue.

    No more. Visual presence isn't the only factor to consider when determining which ads get the death sentence, though it has long (and for many, I suspect) been the most significant. Google's ads may not be visually offensive, but if they start down the road of Big Brothering me, no PC I touch will ever display a Google ad again. I know Google is a favorite of geeks everywhere, and those who know me know I'm a big fan of a lot of their products, but this rampant near-delirious compulsion to track everyone everywhere for the purpose of shoving marketing in their faces has got to stop. If I want to buy something online, I will seek it out myself, god dammit. This "the ads are relevant, you might find something you like" smacks of "it's for your own good" far too much for my liking.

    Developers of technologies like Adblock and BugMeNot are heroes of the common man's internet and should be lauded as such. I think Greasemonkey likely falls in the same category, though I admit to not yet having used it due to a lack of knowledge of Javascript. Any tool to enhance and enforce control over one's own system is unequivocally, incontestably a good thing and I have a feeling we'll need more and more of them to counteract and undermine the efforts of commercial interests who want to sleaze their way to more ad impressions and massively pervasive marketing. Hmm, there's a fun acronym^W canonical abbreviation to accompany MMORPG. MPM. 's got a ring to it.
    • So, what's the business model for all this great online stuff we like so much, if not ads? Really, for all the people who hate ads so much and feel they are vile, you do realize that it's either pay for content, or view ad-supported content, right?

      Seriously - what's the end game if more and more people start blocking ads?

      I can give you a hint: if the ration of ad blockers starts to rise, publishers will have to get inventive to recoup advertising revenue to support their operations. That means more annoying
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      ...for the purpose of shoving marketing in their faces has got to stop.

      Just out of curiosity, what is it that you think allows sites like Slashdot to even exist? Do you really think that the vast majority of the decent content on the web would be available to (even after you've stripped it down to your liking) if the people that labor to produce what you're looking for had no ability to attract revenue from advertisers? Do you really want to have to subscribe to thousands of web sites? Do you want them t
  • by Darkon (206829) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:33AM (#18751055)
    ...who has never, ever, since they first got online bought a single damn thing via clicking an ad on a web site?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Of course not, but all it takes is a very small percentage who do (and muck it up for the rest of us) and it pays off. Just like spam.
  • by user24 (854467) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:38AM (#18751115) Homepage
    "Google now has access to the cookies and subsequently browsing history of vast numbers of web users"
    no it doesn't, the cookies reside on MY computer, and I purge my cookies every time I close the browser.

    and what's wrong with cookies? nothing! sure, doubleclick can link the IDs together to form a *partial* internet history, but they can do that with my IP address/userAgent combo. I'm sure my adblocker*/useragent/ip forms a fairly unique signature. What does this give google that they didn't have before? As far as I can see, it just buys them a whopping chunk of target audience, but the data? they could have got that themselves, and cheaper.

    * by which I mean, have the parent page try to load a bunch of commonly-but-not-by-default blocked images/url/paths. If there are 300 people sharing my IP, it's not likely that they all block the same paths nor that they all use the same version of the same browser. Thus we can generate a fairly unique signature for users behind shared IPs, without having to use cookies. I'm sure there's other info like screen resolution/colour depthat could be added to give greater accuracy. anyway, my point is/was that the cookies are basically useless, it's the target market that google wanted.
    • "Google now has access to the cookies and subsequently browsing history of vast numbers of web users"
      no it doesn't, the cookies reside on MY computer, and I purge my cookies every time I close the browser.


      I think the key phrase there is "history of vast numbers of web users". Most people just don't block anything. Nerds on Slashdot do. We are a statistical blip as far as they are concerned.
  • It's all good (Score:4, Informative)

    by jeevesbond (1066726) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:38AM (#18751121) Homepage

    All this shouldn't be too difficult to work around. Google watching my every move? Nope: I use Scroogle [scroogle.org]! Then there's Tor [eff.org], it's a bit slow sometimes, but if you don't like it run your own Tor server and help the network speed up. :) There are also all the other ad/cookie blockers mentioned by others here.

    The only possibility worrying me is our government overlords demanding people give up the right to use this software in the name of anti-terrorism/anti-paedophilia. Until that time people have a choice whether they're anonymous online, which is good. The people who don't know how to remain anonymous can either read up or pay one of us IT chaps to tell them.

  • This article seems very speculative, if not pure fantasy. It assumes Google will somehow turn your search history and ad-clicking history into some kind of predictive model of your brain. The author doesn't really seem to understand any of the technology involved, he repeatedly claims that since Google now owns DoubleClick, they have (legal) access to ALL of your cookies and browsing history. Most of the statistics he quotes are totally useless, for example:

    Fayyad (Yahoo R&D VP) proudly says he can predict with 75% certainty which of the 300,000 monthly visitors to Yahoo! Autos will purchase a new car within the next three months.

    In other words, 3 out of 4 times, he can predict which of the people visiting an automobile price/review site will buy a car in the next three months. Considering that most people wouldn't go to Yahoo Autos unless they had some interest in buying a car, it's not really rocket science to track users and decide which are the "serious" ones and which are just window-shopping. The whole article is filled with speculation that once Google has access to similar data, they'll be able to accurately predict everything we do online, but what the author fails to deliver on is how they'll be able to make the jump from predicting click-through rates on ads to full behavioral models everyone who surfs the web.

    Also, the article feels like it's written by a 5th grade English student with a thesaurus. Run-on sentences galore, wild trips of imagination that aren't supported by the article's sources, and a pathetic lack of proper punctuation besides the occasional period. He even uses a smiley face at the end.

  • I whitelist all cookies. Basically, all cookies except those on my list are deleted every time I close my browser. I do this with the aid of the CookieButton Firefox extension.

    This needs to be set as the default behaviour in browsers. Add a button which lets the user decide to keep data from a particular site. Put it over as "let me stay logged in to this site after closing Firefox/IE".

    Of course, they still have my IP address, or would if I didn't block *doubleclick*. However, thanks to mass adoption of NAT an IP address is hardly very useful for identifying a single person, as legal courts are staring to realise.
    • Exactly, this is not a bad thing. Actually, being solicited by people offering you something you might want! To hell with it I want to go back to mindless viagra ads and other such meaningless tripe. Time sensitive and informative advertising be damned.
    • Re:And? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Lockejaw (955650) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:33AM (#18751051)

      Now instead of being spammed about stuff that i give squat about, i would get spammed with offers that i would bossibly want to buy.
      In some ways the targeted ads are nice. I like having Amazon's recommendations, and I've done Google searches just for the ads. On the other hand, I like to be able to get away from it. With both of these, if I switch to something that doesn't include their cookies (like a different browser, or shopping in meatspace), I can get away from their targeted ads.
      It's kind of odd that by going out into the world, where the merchant can see my face, I'm more anonymous than I would be shopping online.
    • I am a programmer. I am paid to produce syntax not grammar. Deal with it.

      Then how can you possibly be pro-grammar?

      Sorry, sorry, I couldn't resist. Oh god, not the cabbage again. *ducks*

    • by owlnation (858981) on Monday April 16 2007, @10:48AM (#18751255)

      So what will happen (and probaly already has) is that the people who do not know any better will form the basis of what "surfers" do.
      As the previous poster says, it's pretty much only Joe Sixpack and The Sheeple that are going to get tracked. Hands up any slashdotter that's not using adblock and flashblock etc on their home system. (Those with hands raised please leave your geek id cards on the table on your way out.)

      Predicting what Sheeple will do is easy. They eat (to excess - then diet), have sex, breed, like cars or fashion, watch sports as if they were the Circus Maximus, believe News Corps propaganda is "news", feed on the RIAA's outpourings like SOMA, drink, veg out in front of American Idol, and are far more interested in Britney and Parisite than politics or anything that actually matters. You don't really need any new technology to predict the interests of these kinds of "surfers" - it's pretty much basic animal instincts all the way. When McDonalds produces Soylent Green, they'll eat it and like it, even in the unlikely event that they know what it is.

      Sheeple - it's life Jim, but not as we /.ers know it.

      (As an aside, if no-one's yet formed a band called "Joe Sixpack and the Sheeple", can I suggest that someone does.)