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Report Says 36.4% of World's Computers Infringe on IP
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on Thu Dec 27, 2007 02:31 PM
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from the i-would-guess-it's-quite-a-bit-more-actually dept.
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "According to a new report by Digital Music News, 36.4% of the world's computers have LimeWire installed. Given their claim that filling an iPod legally would cost about $40,000, they're pretty sure that most of those computers are infringing upon at least a few imaginary property rights. BitTorrent shouldn't feel left out, though. BitTorrent actually uses more bandwidth, but the article suggests that this is because it is used to share larger files, like movies."
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It always amuses me (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:It always amuses me (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:It always amuses me (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:It always amuses me (Score:5, Funny)
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If this wasn't piracy, it would be straightforward to distribute the entire output of the RIAA via NNTP. The bandwidth consumption would be far smaller, because no file traverses a link more than once. The "p2p" approach is a horribly inefficient way of distributing data.
Re:It always amuses me (Score:4, Insightful)
In the case of P2P, all transmissions are essentially requests for a part of of a file that a client does not currently have. Now since I'm sending data back out to others then MY OWN bandwidth usage will be much lower, but the internet as a whole won't see much difference.
Now, when you combine in the fact that on Usenet a) some of the older encoding schemes must translate to 7-bit ASCII first and hence increase the size of a file by 30-40%, and b) because of missed posts you often have to download the original + a number of parity files, I don't see Usenet coming ahead on the efficiency side of things.
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Re:It always amuses me (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, you mischaracterised the the other side of the argument, too: a properly running torrent was many seed, and although each seed may have less uplink bandwidth than downlink bandwidth, the network as a whole should saturate the new peer's downstream bandwidth.
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Re:It always amuses me (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:It always amuses me (Score:4, Interesting)
The ISPs could save massive amounts of money on content distribution if only they could cache it all closer to the enduser. They cannot do this now because the distribution is illegal. DRM was supposed to solve this problem by making it so that anybody could download anything but only those with the correct permissions could use the content. DRM however is flawed in that it just cannot work, smart people who want the content will always prevail. Attack is vastly simpler than defense (a good offense is always better than a good defense).
The solution is to have the sales of music go through a third party distributor (iTunes, Amazon, Napster, Rhapsody, whatever) and have the ISP distribute the actual content. The key here is that the ISPs would have to allow any third party to sell their content through the distribution network to maintain their status as common carriers. Record labels get paid, independent artists and small record labels have the same access to a massively scalable distribution network as the big guys and best of all the load on the network goes down substantially.
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Re:It always amuses me (Score:5, Funny)
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Installed Base (Score:3, Interesting)
I bet it's closer to 100% (Score:5, Insightful)
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If you count IP infringements made by software vendors. Face it, in the world where One Click patent can even exits, you're _guaranteed_ to infringe on someone's intellectual property if your code is more complicated than "Hello world".
Not true, actually. I patented all uses of the letters in that order.
You owe me $5.
Re:I bet it's closer to 100% (Score:5, Funny)
1. Hello World is a registered trademark of Servognome Corp. Any use or redistribution without the implied oral consent of Servognome is strictly prohibited
2. Patent #45239223 - Display of the words "Hello World" on a digital device
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thankfully (Score:5, Funny)
Constitutional Rights? (Score:4, Insightful)
Becuase I have bittorrent installed to download Mandrake, I *MUST* have illegal things on my machine?
Screw that report and the assholes who wrote it!
Re:Constitutional Rights? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Constitutional Rights? (Score:5, Interesting)
WC3 maintains a direct connection to all the other players in the game -- it uses a P2P network model rather than client-server -- but uses a trivial amount of bandwidth (under 10 KB/sec).
The network admins saw someone with connections open to residential ISP IP addresses and using a lot of bandwidth (ignoring the connection to ftp.mandrake.com or whatever) and call me to tell me that they're killing all my open connections due to P2P download abuse.
WTF?
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Missing options, this poll sucks (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, exactly.
Attention **IA, this is my current seed list, you insensitive clod
- debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.iso [1180675963] [debian.org]
- debian-40r1-i386-DVD-2.iso [402297137]
- debian-40r1-i386-DVD-3.iso [24379392]
- debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso [0]
- debian-update-4.0r1-i386-DVD-1.iso [3342336]
- openSUSE-10.3-GM-Addon-Lang-i386-iso [917504] [opensuse.org]
- openSUSE-10.3-GM-Addon-Lang-x86_64-iso [1261568]
- openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-i386-iso [180797440]
- openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-x86_64-iso [819200]
- StealThisFilm.Part1.mov [428353952] [stealthisfilm.com]
- strip_souffle_high.wmv [0] [maliki.com]
It's either opensource software, or a couple of movie which are freely available.So could now please all this stupid companies stop equating "Peer 2 peer" with "Imaginary Property infringements" ?
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Re:Constitutional Rights? (Score:4, Insightful)
Today the separation between working for someone and running your own business is almost gone. I can work for someone from 9 to 5, then come home and sell antique stereos (or whatever, Wii if you wish) through Ebay. There is no law against this, and only IRS should know. If a police officer sees my garage full of boxes he is welcome to ask, and even to buy. But I owe him nothing else, and I can't see him getting a search warrant only because I have a pile of merchandise. (As long as zoning requirements are met.)
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$40,000 iPods? (Score:3, Interesting)
How much would it cost to fill an iPod with songs from used CDs?
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I think they calculated that figure based on the average content of a computer geek's iPod - namely, exactly 42 million copies of Wilhelmscream.mp3
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36.4% of the world's computers have LimeWire insta (Score:5, Interesting)
That's some damned weak logic, since LimeWire's real reason for existance (and the RIAA's opposition to it) is for independant artists to get their music out.
The RIAA labels have radio and empty-v. Since the RIAA effectively killed "internet radio" P2P is all the indies have.
Now someone please tell me, I heard a song by some indie whose name I don't remember named "scatterbrain". There are literally hundreds of different songs with that name. How can I get a copy of the lagal song I want without ACCIDENTALLY downloading some crap RIAA song with the same name?*
The war against P2P is a war against their competetitors, the independant musicians.
-mcgrew
* Fuck LimeWire, Morpheus has a check box where you don't automatically share downloaded files. The RIAA can go fuck themselves. Hey guess what they are!
Re:36.4% of the world's computers have LimeWire in (Score:5, Informative)
Indie artists can use HTTP (and Torrent if necessary), theres plenty of willing hosts.
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Re:36.4% of the world's computers have LimeWire in (Score:3, Interesting)
Also, internet radio is not currently affected in cases where it plays an unsigned artist's material, as royalties only apply to copyrighted tracks. Correct me if I'm wrong on that, but the only way royalties hurt IR is that it's harder to get many people to listen to a purely indie station.
I'm sure there are services out there that make it easy to find, sa
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You just admitted that you did. It's just as illegal to download a copy of a CD that you own than it is to download a copy of a CD that you don't own. That's the way it works - when you buy a CD you buy limited rights to play that *exact CD* on your CD player. That's all. Sucks, but that's the way it is.
Nice title slashdot (Score:4, Informative)
In other news (Score:4, Funny)
It's not a foregone conclusion (Score:3, Interesting)
ip is a valid concept (Score:4, Insightful)
and it is not up to the corporations to restrain themselves. it is their job to squeeze money out of every possible nook and cranny. that is what corporations do, that is their nature, it is not their nature. we should not expect them to restrain themselves. it is our job to restrain them, so they do not become cancerous growths. and we, the legal world and our legal frameworks, are not currently doing that. so we must begin doing that then, so that some of private ownership is respected, not none of it, as currently is the case, because current private ownership laws overreach in time and in venue
as if these means somebody won't still make money, and good money! it is just that the old models won't work anymore, and the corporations are nervous about the unknown
in the current world, the legions of lawyers representing the corporations, and the congressmen they buy (sonny bono, et al) push the scales firmly in the direction of irrational monetization. in a world where i cannot play "happy birthday" without paying someone, something is seriously broken
it is not that we shouldn't respect morality. it is that we shouldn't respect a legal system that is seriously broken, and doesn't reflect morality. current ip law is nothing more than an overextended farce
The Report Continues... (Score:5, Funny)
22.9% infringe UDP.
The report doesn't mention other protocols, but as IPv6 gains ground, we're all sure to see lots more infringement.
Almost all computers use IP (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, you mean that 36.4% of the computers have tools installed that facilitate copyright infringement?
Can we please stop using the term "IP" or "Intellectual Property" and actually specify what we are talking about, which in this case is copyright infringement? Especially since the source articles never use either of those two term in them?
It would be very hard to infringe on trademarks using limewire or bittorrent in any way, and the same goes for patents unless the patents cover the implementation of the software.
the other premise (Score:4, Insightful)
Half of the motivation being the Mickey Mouse copyright extension act was not just to protect Mickey's inflated infantilism, but also to keep the public domain shelf as bare as possible, so legitimate sharing doesn't cloud the wolf cries of MAFIAA, where every untaxed gratification over every untaxed wire represents a pimple-faced insurrection against the natural order bought and paid for.
1/3rd of the world infringes on IP... (Score:3, Interesting)
Or maybe, just maybe, the IP laws as they stand now are not sufficient to meet the demand of the populace in what and how they expect content to be transfered/delivered/received.
All from companies that Steal from Artists (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong. These artists are not getting much money. They are essentially being ripped off of all their creative work. This has happened for decades. Once the moguls found out how to steal from the creative artists they used their power to do just that, ripped them off.
I don't care about the music mogals. I don't care about the people that are loosing their jobs. I don't care that they can't pay their bills. I don't care that the moguls are no longer making billions. I could care less. They can go and shove it up their asses. They need to go back to the artists and give them their fair share. They need to grant each artists retroactively all their fair share of the royalties that they would have earned. It's just sad that these dimwits were allowed to get so powerful.
How can anyone feel bad about downloading music when it is so obvious that the music moguls stole the music from the artists. Screw them all, we all should.
Voluntary systems scans (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Voluntary systems scans (Score:5, Insightful)
Is this like one of those sites that tells me "YOUR REGISTRY MAY BE CORRUPT!!!"... on a linux box?
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Re:Voluntary systems scans (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds about right.
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It's probably not so much that "limewire downloaded some crap that messed up their computer" but rather that "they downloaded some crap using Limewire that messed up their computer." I believe the NRA has a catchy slogan that could be modified to fit these circumstances.
Sorry... you lost your precision (Score:3, Insightful)
When you see B.S. like this (adding decimal places to stupid statistics), it is a signal to ignore it.
What kills me is that it totally reminds me of project management bozos who track project progress to the decimal place. I can understand tracking it in 10% increments, but I realistically can only maybe tell people I am 20, 40, 60... percent complete. Sometimes on 25, 50, etc.
But then there are others who can track the details so well. "Sir, we have milli
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I believe this is a valid comparison as the data in question was collected when users submitted to voluntary PC scans by visiting a specific website that 99% of the worlds computer users have never heard of.
Re:40000 songs = $40,000 sounds right to me (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:That's It? (Score:5, Funny)
(Ducking and running from the inevitable Troll mod points.)
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The property, NOT the law, is imaginary. (Score:3, Interesting)
It is the "property" that is only imaginary, because it is a non-rivalrous good with a very low marginal cost. In other words, we can both have a copy without deleting the other person's and it's cheap to make more copies. The law tries to make it rivalro
DeCSS is still illegal (Score:4, Interesting)
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