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FCC Puts 4.6 Billion Minimum Bid on Spectrum Auction

Posted by Zonk on Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:53 PM
from the you've-got-to-be-serious-about-this dept.
ChainedFei writes "Wired News notes that the Spectrum auction is moving forward, with the FCC placing a minimum bid for the C-block spectrum being offered at $4.6 billion. That, coincidentally, was the amount that Google fronted as a minimum bid to endorse certain open standards for the spectrum being sold. This is essentially a move to shut out smaller possible competitors while also maximizing the money the auction will generate for the grade-A areas of the spectrum. In addition, any single bidder wishing to purchase the entirety of the spectrum must front a minimum of $10 billion. 'According to the FCC, nearly all of that C block aggregate reserve price will go toward a package of U.S. national licenses. This portion of the spectrum also happens to be the one with two open access conditions attached to its sale mandating that all devices be allowed to access the band and that all applications can be able to run across the network. If the reserve price isn't met, the auction will be rerun without these two conditions in place, according to the FCC.'"
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Apu writes "Having received bids totaling $19.5 billion over 260 rounds of bidding, the FCC has announced the closing of Auction 73. The Chairman's statement notes that the auction has "raised more money than any [FCC] auction has ever raised" besting the 2006 Advanced Wireless Service-1 auction that raised $13.9 billion and topping the $10.6 billion Congress estimated it would receive for the 700 MHz spectrum. The New York Times reports that "the last bid in the auction was $91,000 for frequencies around Vieques, Puerto Rico." According to the FCC, "eight unsold licenses [...] remain held by the FCC and will again be made available [...] in a future auction." This includes the "D block" which was to be shared by commercial and public safety users and only received a single $472 million bid, below the $1.3 billion reserve price. However, as previously reported, the open access provisions will apply to one-third of the auctioned spectrum as the minimum $4.6 billion bid for the "C" block was received. The names of the winning bidders have not yet been made public."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2007, @12:57PM (#20307705)
    I.e., if you wouldn't have the money to bid up and up, then you wouldn't be in the same competition anyway.

    Although, to be fair, it might force the bidding war to be shorter -- but knocking out the competition right from the start because they can't afford it doesn't really affect the final outcome. It just forces the bids to be realistic from the start.

    So much political agenda on ./ these days
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Well, this is a political issue. From my understanding, the government is selling rights to use certain frequencies of electromagnetic waves - a hugely important part of physics and the universe we live in. A bunch of people object to this, that the US government has some kind of automatic ownership of anything that can generate a profit unless it sells it.

      The jist is that a physics fundamental isn't something we can buy and sell.

      Do correct me if I'm wrong :)
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Yeah, land is just a physical matter to think the US government wants to buy and sell land. pfft.

        The jist is that a physics fundamental isn't something we can buy and sell.
      • does fccBay operate under significantly different rules from eBay?

        Some things are a bit different. Like they don't display the % of positive/negative feedback, or they'd never manage to sell anything :)
      • Isn't the duration of the bidding war set when the auction begins?

        i'm pretty sure it acts like a regular auction, where the bidding keeps going unless everyone but one bidder gives up.
      • by jratcliffe (208809) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @01:56PM (#20308591)
        Nope, it's not like eBay - the bidding goes on until nobody wants to increase their bid. The bids go in rounds - one round per day, to begin with. If nobody bids on a particular license in (I believe) two consecutive rounds, then bidding on that license is complete. Once things get very close to being done, and only a few licenses are still outstanding (i.e. up in the air), the FCC can accelerate the process to 2 or 3 rounds per day, to bring the entire process to a close.
        • I think we should alter government bidding to blood sports. Choose your weapon, and the last man standing wins the bid. Wouldn't it be great to have Larry Page skewered by a pike, with Randal Stephenson standing there, bloodied, ear missing, eye gouged and knee torn to shreds, but victorious.
      • by CodeBuster (516420) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @03:20PM (#20309945)
        Belongs to the public. The public needs to fight to regain the airwaves.

        The public never lost its property rights to those airwaves, we simply elected to rent them out to the highest bidder so that the proceeds of that auction could be used to fund the purchase other goods and services that we the public wish to conusme rather than attempting to operate them directly ourselves with all of the risks and costs that that entails. The government, acting on behalf of and in the interest of the people, is our agent in that sale. Now, you might argue that the government is squandering the proceeds or not getting the best possible price, but really we never lost control of the airwaves.

        Spectrum shouldn't be held hostage for filling government coffers.

        The government coffers are really *our* coffers in that the government uses this money to provide us with public goods that we like to consume. If the government did not receive this money from the auctions then it would have to raise the cash necessary to provide these public goods in other less desirable ways, such as raising taxes.

        We could have very cheap phones for everyone. Not with ATT guy running the FCC.

        Selling the right to use the spectrum at auction and then allowing the market with competition to decide the outcome yields the best and most fair result for everyone. You will have your cheap phone for everyone much faster, and at a much better price, from the market than you would from government control and central planning. Remember here that wireless spectrum is not entangled in "natural monopoly" scenarios with last mile physical infrastructure problems so the market is much more able to reach the optimal result more quickly than might be the case in fiber optic or cables and other utilities.
        • by zymano (581466) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @03:49PM (#20310359)
          The public doesn't own the airwaves. It's owned by corporate america because they are the only ones that can afford the ridiculous auction prices. What would happen to the average citizen if they broadcast something on unused piece of spectrum owned by the private sector? If you guessed thrown to jail, you would be right.

          The government coffers are really *our* coffers in that the government uses this money to provide us with public goods that we like to consume. If the government did not receive this money from the auctions then it would have to raise the cash necessary to provide these public goods in other less desirable ways, such as raising taxes.

          You may find it shocking but maybe our government spends money excessively just to buy votes. Some political experts do suggest this as happening. And if the government is so good with our money then lets give them 'all' of our money. That would surely solve all of our problems.

          Selling the right to use the spectrum at auction and then allowing the market with competition to decide the outcome yields the best and most fair result for everyone. You will have your cheap phone for everyone much faster, and at a much better price, from the market than you would from government control and central planning. Remember here that wireless spectrum is not entangled in "natural monopoly" scenarios with last mile physical infrastructure problems so the market is much more able to reach the optimal result more quickly than might be the case in fiber optic or cables and other utilities.

          Creating a monopoly for just 'ONE COMPANY' to horde spectrum does not equal the free market. The gov makes makes a buck and that doesn't always filter down to average Joe citizen

          A better idea is to free and democrotize our spectrum much like the internet or even better than the internet.
  • This portion of the spectrum also happens to be the one with two open access conditions attached to its sale mandating that all devices be allowed to access the band and that all applications can be able to run across the network. If the reserve price isn't met, the auction will be rerun without these two conditions in place, according to the FCC.

    Great. So if AT&T outbids everyone, and comes in under the reserve, then we can all kiss the open spectrum goodbye. I wonder how much the FCC charged AT
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      If Google puts its money where its PR Department is, then either it'll win the auction, or someone will outbid them at a higher-than-reserve price, since the FCC set the reserve price to the amount Google had suggested it would pay for the spectrum.
    • Wait -- can someone clarify this for me:

      Is the FCC using "reserve" and "starting price" interchangeably? Or are they two separate things (similar to an eBay auction), where there's a starting price for the bidding, and a much higher, secret reserve price?

      It sounds like the FCC did what Google wanted, and are running the auction with the interoperability and open-access mandates in place. And they're starting the price out at a level ($4.6B) that Google said they would pay, given those conditions. So that se
      • No, a bid of 4.6B, if the only bid offered, will be accepted. It is the starting and reserve price for the auction.
        The FCC did half of what google wanted (and not really the important half).

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Considering the head of the FCC is a former AT&T lobbying professional, AT&T wrote it for them at no charge!
    • Cash and Short Term Investments: 11,935.92 million as of 2007-03-31. Source. [google.com]

      Take one for the team Google!

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      Ars has much better info and commentary on the auction. Basically tho, Att can try to outbid google, however, there are requirements that the auction winner has to abide or they lose the spectrum.

      http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070815-700m hz-auction-whats-really-up-for-grabs-and-why-it-wo nt-be-monopolized.html/ [arstechnica.com]
    • Regarding open spectrum. I don't deal with wireless tech that much so this may just be a stupid question. I understand the need to regulate natural resources to avoid collisions. But in all seriousness why does the FCC get to "sell" something they do not really own? Just a few months ago the community was all up in arms about DNA being copyrighted. What is the difference here? The FCC will not regulate the 700MHz spectrum afterwards, they will not do anything with it once it is sold so why the asking
      • is certain protections of the bands.

        Of course, people who do less knee jerking and make an effort to use there heads all ready knew this.
        • who do less knee jerking and make an effort to use there heads all ready knew this.

          Evidentally that would not include you.

          What I am asking, if you would please remove your knee, is what is the company getting out of this either way the spectrum will be free to use for any application and anyone to use, why dont they just open it up?

          This portion of the spectrum also happens to be the one with two open access conditions attached to its sale mandating that all devices be allowed to access the band and tha

          • Sorry, Read FCC not FTC.
          • by fyngyrz (762201) * on Tuesday August 21 2007, @02:44PM (#20309359) Homepage Journal

            What you have to understand is that the purpose of the FCC is to take complete and absolute control as possible of the natural resource of the EM spectrum, and make that resource available to corporations to resell to the citizens at a profit, as well as carve off a few chunks for the government to use any way they like.

            The citizens are only allowed the tiniest possible token portions of the resource, with usage of those portions additionally limited in many critical ways. They do all this under the guise of "protecting" the resource.

            Once you wrap your head around this, everything the FCC does makes sense.

            The FCC probably qualifies as one of the most corrupt agencies of the US government in the sense that what it does is extremely disjoint from the actual interests and needs of the public, and intentionally so. The US government is supposed to serve the interests of the people, not the corporations.

              • by fyngyrz (762201) * on Tuesday August 21 2007, @07:52PM (#20312865) Homepage Journal

                Quit regurgitating what you read on Slashdot all the time and say something insightful.

                Regurgitating, eh? I'm an extra class amateur radio operator and I hold an FCC commercial radio operator's license (used to be a first class license, guess it still is, sort of, though they don't give them out any longer.) My name is found in more than one edition of the radio amateur's handbook as an innovator, I received technical achievement of the year from a television group at the Dayton hamvention, and some of well known ham radio manufacturer AEA's commercial products were of my design, as well as my responsibility to get tested for FCC approval. My designs have been on the front cover of 73 and reviewed extensively in 73, CQ, and QST magazines - and elsewhere. I've been the engineer at several 10kw through 100kw radio stations, I've been a DJ (progressive rock), and I've even had my fingers in pirate radio a couple of times. Also related to all this, I'm a musician and a recording engineer.

                So it could just possibly be that I might have my own informed opinion on these matters, rather than just parroting what you appear to think is mindless slashdot groupthink. Now, for your edification, Here's a short (and woefully incomplete) list of things I can't do for the "common good" by specific FCC edict:

                • Set up a commercial radio station without paying six to seven figures, plus lawyer fees
                • Transmit music. Even my own original works.
                • Broadcast a book to entertain. Even those I own all the rights to (over two hundred, my father was a popular SF author.)
                • Transmit encrypted content
                • Broadcast rather than transmit to specific licensed individuals
                • Transmit what is loosely called "offensive content" which is anti-liberty and offensive to any true patriot in and of itself - you don't like a broadcast, tune the heck away, don't silence it like a pitiful, cowardly third world dictator.)
                • Innovate with wireless data transfer (no encryption and no freedom of content, so...)
                • Create a clocked device for sale without paying a lab ten grand (or more) for testing, plus more in fees to the FCC itself
                • Transmit an FM broadcast band/mode signal more than 3 meters (outright useless.)
                • Compete with any commercial radio entity

                And of course, the amateur radio bands that I am allowed to transmit upon are only available to me because I have passed several technical tests according to the requirements of the FCC; your average citizen has no access to the amateur bands as you should know, and so you cannot hold up the amateur bands as a resource for Joe or Jane blow to do anything in particular with. Not that they are very useful what with all the restrictions on what we can do with them, anyway.

                I think that you and I fundamentally disagree on what the phrase "common good" actually means.

  • n00bs (Score:5, Funny)

    by Experiment 626 (698257) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @01:04PM (#20307795)

    Why are they setting a minimum bid? They should just start it at $0.01 and keep saying "reserve not met" until it passes the $4,600,000,000.00 point.

    • Why are they setting a minimum bid?

      They are not setting a minimum bid. TFA says reserve bid. The submitter misquoted the article.

  • Bad Move (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JaredOfEuropa (526365) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @01:08PM (#20307857) Journal
    This reminds me of the auction for UMTS licenses that were held in the Netherlands a few years ago. This was back in the mad days when investors and corporations paid silly prices for cable and telco companies. UMTS was the next big thing, and companies were eager to bid for the licenses. So, politicians ended up congratulating each other on how much money they raked in for the public coffers... and companies suddenly found themselves so strapped for cash that they no longer had the money to invest in the expensive rollout of UMTS itself, or even for interim technologies such as EDGE. We were stuck in the stone age with GPRS, and when UMTS finally appeared on the market, it was years late, with lousy coverage, and the plans were horribly expensive (at first it wasn't even available to consumers; only to corporate subscribers). The auctions set back the development of our telco infrastructure by years.

    People in favour of these auctions seem to forget that companies are not in it for charity, and investors like to see a reasonable return on the money they put in. The cash for these licenses have to come from someone, and that someone is you, the dumbass consumer.
    • Translation (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Regulation and selling of otherwise "free" bandwith is little more then another hidden tax.
    • Re:Bad Move (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Yer Mum (570034) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @01:31PM (#20308197)

      The same also happened in the UK.

      In European countries where they held a 'beauty contest' (operators bid less money but also had to promise to roll out services and coverage) the result was decent services from the start at cheap price for the end consumer. E.g. Norway.

    • Hey man, GPRS is 3G here in the US! What is this silly talk about it being stone-age and that there's something new. Silly foreigners.
    • People in favour of these auctions seem to forget that companies are not in it for charity, and investors like to see a reasonable return on the money they put in. The cash for these licenses have to come from someone, and that someone is you, the dumbass consumer.

      WTF? Oh the poor, poor telecoms companies...

      They didn't have to bid that high, the only compulsion was their own. They could all have bid £0.01, but they didn't, they chose instead to add many many zeros.

  • What use does Google plan to make of these frequencies? I can't imagine doing wifi of 700mhz.
    • by tgatliff (311583) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @01:25PM (#20308121)
      700mhz is an almost ideal frequency. Its is low enough to penetration buildings (Unlike Ghz), but is still high enough that shadowing would not be a problem like with the lower frequencies...

      To me, the company that is really missing the boat on this is M$. Their cash holdings trump anything Google can come up with and could easily buy the entire frequency map. The uses for this are endless... Iridium v2 I think are the best idea from a longtimer standpoint. They could sell low cost packages where you put a small dish on your house and get basic services for free. Then have an access point built directly into the unit... Instant national WiFi coverage!! :-)
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      A great article [gigaom.com] explaining the reasoning.

      Effective range:

      its broadcast-attractive physics (like its ability to penetrate walls)

      Out with the old UHF, in with the new:

      analog television broadcasters to clear the 700 MHz airwaves on Feb. 17, 2009.

      And, cost:

      building a nationwide wireless network over the 700 MHz spectrum is around $2 billion versus a nationwide 1900MHz PCS that costs approximately $4 Billion.

  • by QuietLagoon (813062) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @01:12PM (#20307921)
    with the FCC placing a minimum bid for the C-block spectrum being offered at $4.6 billion. That, coincidentally, was the amount that Google fronted as a minimum bid to endorse certain open standards for the spectrum being sold.

    An article [arstechnica.com] from July.

    The company would like the FCC to embrace four additional conditions as part of the auction rules: open applications, open devices, open services, and open networks. Should the FCC agree to do so, Schmidt says that Google will jump in on the bidding at the FCC's $4.6 billion reserve price.
  • "In addition, any single bidder wishing to purchase the entirety of the spectrum must front a minimum of $10 billion. 'According to the FCC, nearly all of that C block aggregate reserve price will go toward a package of U.S. national licenses."

    What is a 'package of U.S. national licenses?' Does anyone know where the money from this auction goes?

    • hehe, my exact question and no answer below yet :(
    • The "package of national licenses" refers to one of the frequency blocks being sold - it's broken up into about 8 regional licenses, but it will be possible to bid on all 8 as a "package" if you want to get a nationwide footprint (i.e. the same spectrum everywhere in the US.

      The money goes the the US Treasury, and has to be paid by June 30th, 2008, because it's already been included in the budget by the Congress. In other words, it's already been spent.
  • Backwards (Score:4, Insightful)

    by WPIDalamar (122110) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @01:15PM (#20307977) Homepage
    If they can't get 4.6B for the spectrum, they'll remove the two open access restrictions? WTF?

    It should be the other way around... if they can't get 4.6B for the spectrum, then they'll ADD the two open-access restrictions that they didn't include. Then at least, they know Google would bid 4.6B and maximize their profits while also having a more open network.
    • Or Google can pay 4.6B and add the other two restrictions themselves? They should remove them as they said they would, otherwise they just tailors the spectrum so it could sell it to Google and I... I do not want to live a country that does that.
      • otherwise they just tailors the spectrum so it could sell it to Google and I... I do not want to live a country that does that.

        I think a lot of people have missed the meaning of the restrictions Google requested...

        The restrictions apply to the buyer. They force whoever wins this block of spectrum to "play well with others", more or less.

        Personally, I think the FCC should just open the spectrum as with the 2.4GHz, perhaps with just a few more minor restrictions on (such as limiting it to ultra-low po
        • Re:Backwards (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Tacvek (948259) on Tuesday August 21 2007, @03:17PM (#20309905) Journal
          If goggle buys this, I can be almost certain that it will be used to create a nationwide Wireless network, probably a "broadband" network.
          The problem with the current systems are that only the existing cell companies can get into the business. There is no real way for a competitor to enter the market. Further, in general only approved devices can be used on the network (although the GSM networks are the exception). The companies can dictate what the network can be used for. As a result, Cellular internet prices are outrageous, and unfair.

          So what Google would do is but the spectrum. They would standardize on a protocol. They would let companies provide services (most likely internet services) on that band. The companies offering services on that band would be required to let any devices that support the protocol to be used (likely a SIM-card like system would be used). The companies could not restrict the applications or services used on the network. Smaller companies would have a much better chance to get in on the action, as the major requirements would be an antenna on a cell tower, and a large internet connection. They would only need to provide the end users with a SIM, as the modems could be gotten anywhere. The total overhead of providing 700 MHz internet access would be far less than the traditional cell system, and thus there would be significant competition, and low prices.

          The key here is that the spectrum owner has no interest in providing the service themselves, and has no reason to sell out to the large companies. So they would have no problem allowing multiple companies to provide the service in the same area. That is not heard of for most utilities. Also, unlike cell phones, the companies competing in the local area would not conspire to fix prices, as the cost of entrance would be low enough that a new player could easily join in.

          If I am correct about that, that would be the sort of thing the government should do. That sort of regulation would level the playing field, and thus allow capitalism to work well both for businesses and for consumers. That would be the sort of regulation that is ideal. Unfortunately all too often, government regulation works to make the playing field less even, in the favor of the entrenched large companies that are already working in that sector.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Problem is, it's sold in chunks. So an incumbent wireless provider can buy a single region and completely prevent any other player from having a national wireless network.
    • You misunderstand the value of open-access to telcos: it reduces the value of the bid. Removing the open access restrictions adds value for the telcos that didn't bid, and therefore makes it more likely that the FCC gets its minimum value. This is done so that if Google decides to renege on its promise (this was, after all, only a PR declaration), the FCC isn't left without an option to get at least some money.
  • FCC Puts 4.6 Billion Minimum Bid on Spectrum Auction?

    I'll take two of them!
  • "The auction will be expensive, last year's auction for a much-less-attractive slice of spectrum netted the US Treasury $13.9 billion" - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070720-goo g le-announces-intent-to-bid-on-700mhz-spectrum-auct ion-if.html [arstechnica.com]

    This spectrum will probably go for 20 - 30 billion. How much cash does Google have?
    • "How much cash does Google have?"

      The question is, how much liquidity does Google have, and how does it help their bottom line.

      All by itself, I don't see how it helps Google, but it would be nice to have that spectrum opened up to all devices so that we can finally have decent coverage without draconian device restrictions. Just a complete guess is that Google wants to "sublet" the space to smaller device makers.
      • I don't think Google needs to own this space. As long as it goes for more than the reserve, Google is flying high on whoever buys this space.

        Google's requirements just made sure that Google can step into the game in this juicy section of spectrum even when they don't win the bidding (I don't think that they're going to try very hard).

        Either way, I highly doubt that we'll see a completely free wireless mesh that only costs the initial investment of the device crop up any time soon. Your tax dollars hard at
    • None of the mobile phone service providers have enough cash reserves to even meet the minimum bid; only Google does. I suspect they aren't expecting to be paid in cash, or if so, not in one lump sum.
  • Jeez (Score:3, Funny)

    by jhines (82154) <john@jhines.org> on Tuesday August 21 2007, @02:29PM (#20309125) Homepage
    And all I wanted was a Hz or two. Dang it all.