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DOE Shines $21M on Advanced Lighting Research
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on Wed Feb 13, 2008 03:20 PM
from the bright-ideas dept.
from the bright-ideas dept.
coondoggie writes to mention that the US Department of Energy is planning to fork over close to $21 million for 13 projects promising to advance solid-state lighting research and development. "SSL lighting is an advanced technology that creates light with considerably less heat than incandescent and fluorescent lamps, allowing for increased energy efficiency. Unlike incandescent and fluorescent bulbs, SSL uses a semi-conducting material to convert electricity directly into light, which maximizes the light's energy efficiency, the DOE said in a release. Solid-state lighting encompasses a variety of light-producing semi-conductor devices, including light-emitting diodes (LEDs) and organic light-emitting diodes (OLEDs). "
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SSL (Score:5, Funny)
Re:SSL (Score:5, Funny)
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Until you shine it on a black hat (Score:2)
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And you have to accept a new SSL certificate whenever you change the lightbulb.
Re:SSL (Score:5, Funny)
10 One to change the lightbulb and one to make a bad binary joke.
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Save energy: don't send so much light into space (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Save energy: don't send so much light into spac (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, we need to think about our light placement and usage.
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Re:Save energy: don't send so much light into spac (Score:4, Insightful)
There's a lot more we could do about night lighting. A hundred years ago, almost everyone lived in a Bortle scale 1 area. Now, almost nobody in the first world does, and even much of the third world has elevated Bortle limits. What percentage of Americans do you think have ever seen zodiacal light, gegenschein, shadows cast from Scorpius and Sagittarius, or had Jupiter and Venus affect their dark adaptation? It doesn't have to be this way. Some types of lights are subject to far less atmospheric scattering. Properly designed fixtures can eliminate most of the overhead glow and even give you more light for the areas you're trying to illuminate. And so on.
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Lighting a parking lot or a dangerous stretch of the road is for saftey. The problem is if an old man with cataracts can't see then it isn't bright enough and we simply double the wattage until all is well.
When you can simply place the lights in better locations with shiny reflectors and you can solve the same problem with lower costs. The answer isn't more light but better light. In many
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"In Future News, misleb died last night after being hit in the neck with a throwing star. Hir last words reportedly were, 'If... only... I had listened.'"
Realistically, if you're trying not to be seen, do you:
A) Stand in the light, or
B) Stand in the shadows, or
C) Pat Buchanan
Besides, it isn't just about seeing a potential attacker it is about being seen by others in case you are attacked.
So... we now are in a world where people can see you clearly enough to t
Re:Save energy: don't send so much light into spac (Score:2)
=Smidge=
Re:Save energy: don't send so much light into spac (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Save energy: don't send so much light into spac (Score:5, Interesting)
I have a streetlight right in front of my house, but have still had a couple minor criminal incidents.
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Sure, right up until somebody steals it.
Re:Save energy: don't send so much light into spac (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Save energy: don't send so much light into spac (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Save energy: don't send so much light into spac (Score:2)
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SSL lighting (Score:3, Funny)
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Can I take my car with the CVT Transmission to buy SSL Lighting?
Re:SSL lighting (Score:4, Insightful)
For example, without those trailing words, you could have been talking about an encryption technology (Secure Sockets Layer) illuminating a network layer (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) connecting to a branch of the Vietnamese military (Vietnam People's Navy).
Sure the last one is a bit of a stretch, but there are a ton of acronyms that get re-used that can end up being ambiguous. If I say SOA architecture or SOA authority, it's clear whether I'm using marketing-speak or whether I'm talking about configuring a DNS system (which itself, without the trailing "system" could have been referring to a computational fluid dynamics simulation).
You can only really leave off the trailing word when there is either no other possible meaning for the acronym (e.g. SCUBA) or when the context in which you're speaking precludes any other meaning (context being both the people you're speaking with and the rest of what you're saying).
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Color Issues?? (Score:2)
Does anyone have a good lreference to the current sate-of-the-art?
Re:Color Issues?? (Score:4, Informative)
Oh, sorry, I had a top secret flashback for a moment. White LEDs, iirc, are essentially fluorescent light sources which use the LED to stimulate emission in several bands based on the phosphors used. As such, they are still discrete (though not monochromatic) frequency lights and cannot creat and exact replica of incandescent (i.e. blackbody) radiation. I've not seen much on LED CRIs or color temps...most people are just so amazed that they produce "white" light that they don't seem to care. White LEDs, as a result of how they work, are only about 1/2 as efficient per watt as their more efficient monochromatic counterparts.
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Re:Color Issues?? (Score:4, Informative)
And, no, LEDs are not fluorescent. Fluorescent bulbs stimulate mercury to emit UV light. The UV light hits the phosphorus which makes it fluoresce and produce visible light. LEDs work by jumping electrons across a band gap and a photon is emitted when it jumps back down. The high efficiency comes into play because it doesn't take much more energy than that of the band gap to make an electron jump.
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Re:Color Issues?? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Hmm... if you have trichromatic light of wavelengths 570nm, 540nm, and 430nm shining on an object that absorbs everything except 550nm, then the object will appear black won't it? Whereas if true white light were shining on it, it would reflect the 550nm wavelengths and our eye would interpret that as... yellow or something. Is that wrong?
I believe you are correct.
There has been some work on front-projection screens to produce material that reflects only the specific wavelengths that a (matched) projector produces. The goal being to use such a screen in a bright environment where it will absorb almost all of the visible spectrum, and thus appear black, except for the specific RGB wavelengths in the projected image. Thus greatly reducing the "washout" effect of using a projector in a brightly lit room.
I think sony has a half-assed implemen
White LEDs are different (Score:5, Informative)
*White* LEDs don't work that way. You might assume that white LEDs are simply three (or more) normal LEDs combined in a single package. While it is possible to make white LEDs this way, it's not the method usually used (for several reasons, including "color integrity").
Instead, white LEDs are typically made by coating a BLUE indium-gallium-nitride (InGaN) LED with phosphorous. This is not all that different from a fluorescent bulb, which is what the GP postulated.
Different color temperatures can be achieved by varying the phosphorous coverage. Lower coverage lets more blue through (cooler temperature), whereas higher coverage causes more blue to be absorbed and thus more of the phosphorous emission spectrum to be emitted. The dominant line in the most commonly used phosphorous for LEDs is around 580nm (yellow).
It's also possible to get white LEDs that are made by coating a near ultra-violet LED with phosphorous (thus getting even closer to the fluorescent bulb of the GP).
This might change in the future, with serious work being conducted in the field to improve on reliability, efficiency and color characteristics. To the best of my knowledge, however, none of the new methods (go search for yourself) are commercially available and as we all know, many things that seem promising in the lab never make it to market for any number of reasons.
For reference, red diodes emit at ~ 630nm, blue diodes at 470nm, green at 530nm. The exact wavelength of the emitted light depends on the materials used in the LED, of course.
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Color Issues. (Score:3, Informative)
The spectral composition of light sources is far from irrelevant. The only case where it doesn't matter is when you look directly at the light source (TV, computer monitor) or at a surface which reflects the spectrum of the light source evenly (e.g. a projection screen or a white wall.) In every other case, a spiky light source spectrum results in improper color perception. One red color (e.g. a flower) can modulate the spectrum in a completely different way from another red (e.g. a shirt),
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From the (Score:3, Funny)
Can't beat incandescents (Score:3, Insightful)
What rubbish (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Can't beat incandescents (Score:5, Informative)
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Fluorescent have mercury == bad (Score:5, Insightful)
LEDs might have heavy metals in them but this is well encapsulated and amortized over a far longer lifetime (100k hours vs 10k hours).
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$21M paltry sum for such a large energy concern (Score:3, Interesting)
It's astonishing to me that the energy and environmental problems are so obvious, but so little effort is put into the solutions.
it's not a large concern (Score:4, Insightful)
For that matter, only about 20% of our entire energy usage is represented by electricity, the rest being direct use of thermal energy (i.e. burning stuff like oil and gas) in factories, home heating furnaces, and in cars, trucks and railroad engines.
So overall the amount of our energy usage that goes to household lighting is 0.09 x 0.20 = about 2% of our total energy usage. If you manage to make lighting that is, say, 10 times more efficient than incandescent, then you will replace 2% with 0.2%, for a grand savings of 1.8%. Not impressive.
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Not by itself, and for that matter, it's unlikely that any single energy-saving technology is going to make a significant difference. But what if we were able to get a 2% reduction in energy usage on 5 different fron
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Let's put it another way: divide that world consumption by the world population to see what your share is. The answer is less than a tenth of a barrel, or about 4 gallons of oil a year. You probably burn 100 times more
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-Rick
The Real Questions (Score:5, Insightful)
Where do I buy them now?
Do they fit into my regular sockets, including BR30 form factors?
Will they give me at least as much focused light?
How much do they cost?
How long do they last?
How much better than fluorescents?
Are they dimmable?
Are they protected against lightening strikes near by?
What toxic materials do they contain?
Will they let me adjust for the color balance I desire (a highly desirable feature)?
Who is exploited in their manufacture, and which country is getting all my money from them?
Going to a new lightening system is seldom as simple as unscrewing one and screwing in another. Many trade-offs exist.
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Where do I buy them now
EarthLED Light Bulbs [thinkgeek.com] which are more efficient, last longer, use less energy, and are greener to produce than even CFLs (which are greener than incans).
Do they fit...
Yes!
... as much ... light?
Yes! I own two (would own more but see price). etc. etc. Read the page, it answers your questions. They are dimmable, etc. etc.
DoE ACTUALLY doing energy work (Score:2)
Not so much research (Score:3, Interesting)
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Unsigned (Score:2, Funny)
In other news, Alice and Bob figure out how to screw in a lightbulb.
Money Well Spent (Score:3, Interesting)
Now if our government would start looking into algae to power vehicles it would show that they're really interested in finding alternate and more efficient ways of powering our everyday devices.
suckered! (Score:4, Informative)
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