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Identifying Manipulated Images
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CmdrTaco
on Mon Mar 17, 2008 09:17 AM
from the check-that-out dept.
from the check-that-out dept.
Jamie found a cool story at MIT Tech Review. (As an aside, it sits behind an interstitial ad AND on 2 pages: normally I reject websites that do that, but it's a slow news day, so I'm letting it through.)
Essentially, software is used to analyze light patterns in still photographs. Once you can figure out where the light sources are, it becomes a lot easier to determine if an image has been photoshopped.
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Steganography (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Steganography (Score:5, Funny)
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Most image steganography isn't that great, though, and steganography by a well-known means of cleartext data is fairly pointless.
Detector == Quality Control (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Detector == Quality Control (Score:4, Interesting)
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Everything is photo-shopped! (Score:5, Funny)
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I'm sure there is an xkcd strip to cover this eventuality....
I'm sure its in here [xkcd.com] somewhere
I can tell... (Score:2, Funny)
No ads, all on one page (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.technologyreview.com/printer_friendly_article.aspx?id=20423 [technologyreview.com]
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First time I hit the article (from the link in the summary) it loaded fine. Clicked your link and I got an ad with the "skip this ad" link (although the ad wasn't there because of AdBlock) then it took me to the main article across two pages.
Looks like those damned evil news people don't want us to avoid their adverts.
Re:No ads, all on one page (Score:4, Informative)
The link works fine if, instead of clicking on it, you cut-n-paste it into a new browser tab. Here's what you get, if you can't be arsed to go to the trouble:
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Darn advertisers!
That should help (Score:2)
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My vids on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/zotzbro [youtube.com]
If you check the comments on the "UFO vs Paper plane test" you will see people talking of a real one.
Perhaps on some of the paper plane instruction vids too. If you watch those, as the camera pans in one of them, after the construction and before the flight test, you can see what the "UFO" really is.
all the best,
drew
http://zotzbro.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]
Re:That should help (Score:5, Informative)
- Have a small model of the UFO and fling it into the air high enough that there's no context. Although those CAN be detected, they can't by this software.
- The objects are secret military aircraft, not alien craft. The hoax of alien craft is started by the government (pick one) to mask the true meaning of the object photoed. This software won't help with that, either
- It's something else flying around up there. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Is it a weather balloon? Is it ball lightning? Who knows? If it's a flying thing and you don't know what it is, then it's an Unidentified Flying Object. This tool won't help here, either.
This tool can't do anything someone trained in art can't do. The first thing you learn in art school is how to see. You can't draw if you can't see, and that's usually the biggest reason most people can't draw.As one of my instructors used to say, "I don't know what I like but I know what art is."
-mcgrew
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Colombo did this on his 1970's TV show (Score:5, Interesting)
I am not sure which episode it was. Peter Falk as Det. Lt. Colombo
Found the episode (Score:4, Informative)
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Uh Oh (Score:5, Funny)
Goes both ways (Score:5, Insightful)
Based on the same codebase, in fact (Score:2)
Re:Goes both ways (Score:4, Funny)
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weak (Score:4, Interesting)
this method is way better
Forensic Analysis Reveals Al-Qaeda's Image Doctoring [slashdot.org]
Limited utillity (Score:3, Informative)
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Adds a step for the photoshoppers (Score:4, Insightful)
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If there's a plugin for helping me with that part of the struggle, I hereby scream to my fellow slashdott
Finding Photoshopped Pics for Fun (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway, that's just the geek in me I guess, because I really do enjoy finding flaws in images. What I hate is an image that has a sort of surreal perfection to it that I know must be composited, but I can't find any smoking gun.
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Er... I mean... I just read the articles, but that's what a friend told me about the pictures.
Apollo (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Apollo (Score:5, Funny)
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That must be why (Score:2, Funny)
Easily masked light sources (hint: they're everywhere!).
Well, there goes the pr0n industry... (Score:2)
strings (Score:2)
$ strings pic.jpg | grep -i photoshop
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anyione (Score:2)
speaking of which (Score:5, Interesting)
apparently this guy took some photos of some cannonballs in the crimean war that became famous as a poetic commentary on war. this documentary filmmaker, errol morris [wikipedia.org], has gone completely unhinged obsessive compulsive over whether or not the photos are fake and/ or manipulated. it's utterly fascinating, and a little weird, to see so much time and effort devoted to these photos. specifically, cannons and shadows. utterly esoteric and thorough. he also expands into the larger topic of the history of manipulated politically sensitive photos. makes for a good read, especially if you are interested in pre-photoshop image manipulation
check it out, talk about thorough [nytimes.com]
Silver Button? (Score:2)
I'm assuming he was trying to say silver bullet. Do we blame the professor, or the journalist?
"photoshopped"? (Score:3, Insightful)
This post has been gimped by the gimper
Re:"photoshopped"? (Score:4, Funny)
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Another good tool for detecting photoshopping (Score:3, Informative)
JPEGsnoop, by Calvin Hass
In very active development; suggestions and bug reports welcome. Free download from http://www.impulseadventure.com/photo/jpeg-snoop.html [impulseadventure.com]
Re:Expert User Required (Score:5, Informative)
So basically, if you want an image to be doctored, you use one set of values. If you want an image to be genuine, you use another set of values. Maybe somebody else's requirements differ from mine, but this is not the kind of flexibility I want in a tool that is supposed to tell me if an image has been altered or not.
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Re:Good (Score:4, Funny)
Actually, now that I think about it, I kinda like it...
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I hope you don't have a runny nose or a paper cut, because you'd probably get upset if someone offered you a Kleenex or Bandaid. Unless those don't fit your agenda. All the pros are using MS Paint anyway.
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Do you also hang around the Epson at work explaining to people how they aren't really "xeroxing" anything?
Re:Good (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Good (Score:5, Insightful)
Are you sure now, that you want to discourage people from using "photoshop" as a verb?
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Just "Google" it. It is a legitimate verb now.
"I bet that over 50% Photoshop owners just has a warez version of it and 80% of photoshop users could do their things with any other software"
And I bet there is a 100% chance you pulled those numbers from right out of yer ass. Thinking something doesn't automagically make it a fact. And haven't you ever seen the GIMP vs. Photoshop discussions like a million times on Slashdot before? If not let me cond
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