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Dealing With Dialup
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on Mon May 12, 2008 04:39 AM
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An anonymous reader writes "It looks like my parents may end up stuck having to use dialup to access the Internet from their cottage inside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Neither Comcast nor Verizon want to bother upgrading the hardware required to get them faster service. They could put a satellite dish on their roof, but it's a 300-year-old house and they feel a dish would be as prohibitively ugly as running dedicated lines would be prohibitively expensive. I've suggested they get familiar with a text-only email client; I also suggested they talk with their senators and local political reps. , Are there other ways they can increase the functionality despite the pitiful bandwidth? Any other good ideas? Any success stories you can share where people have finally got the bandwidth they crave?"
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pda? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:pda? (Score:5, Informative)
Maybe Edge or whatever is used in the US is better, although I believe the top theoretical speeds are lower even if they do deliver better speed in practice.
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As regards the OP question of how to cope with dial-up, I highly recommend NoScript for Firefox. Greatly reduces the load time for webpages (at least in my experience of seeing it on a browser using dual-channel ISDN). It by default blocks the worst web content - flash and javascript (e.g. loading graphics and animations from 3rd party ad servers). Simpler and more useful than Adblock, also fairer for website owners as you are not blocking ads specifically - just not handling certain types of content. You can easily whitelist javascript for domains for which it is essential.
For email, set up your email client (it doesn't need to be text only) to leave the emails on the email server - you can choose which ones to open up and download, and delete junk without downloading.
For downloading, it is useful to use a download client that can pause and resume downloads, or handle interruptions.
Two-way satellite works great except for the latency. You could always have the dish on the ground out in the garden if the house or shrubs etc. don't shadow the signal. Two-way sat has the advantage of being "always on" and you don't have the time-based billing of dial-up, also usable for downloading large amounts of data.
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Two-way satellite works great except for the latency. You could always have the dish on the ground out in the garden if the house or shrubs etc. don't shadow the signal.
Indeed, satellite is a great option here unless you're a user of interactive, gaming-type protocols. Shrubs, etc. *do* block the signal, but the allowable distance between the LNB (a.k.a. "antenna") and receiver/decoder (a.k.a. "box") can be pretty generous, so put the antenna behind a tree. Just be absolutely sure to use a very sturdy pole set in concrete, otherwise wind, etc. will move the dish enough to take down your link on environmentally-challenged days. A nearby shed that blocks the wind, snow,
Re:pda? (Score:4, Informative)
(2) Get Netscape ISP. It uses text & image compression to increase effective speeds upto 1000 kbit/s. While traveling I can load pages almost as fast with Netscape Dialup as with my home DSL.
(3) Another option is to select "don't load images" in Firefox or Internet Exploder.
As you can see from my signature, using dialup is not a tragedy. All of us had dialup from circa 1980 to 2000 and we survived. Your parents can too.
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Re:pda? (Score:5, Insightful)
Times changes. Bandwidth inflation is a serious problem. Web pages don't clock in at under 10k anymore.
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Re:pda? (Score:5, Informative)
I agree. In the article, it kind of joked about getting used to a 'text email' client. Why is this a joke? Email is SUPPOSED to be text only, and somehow along the way, we've bastardized it into all kinds of HTML, with images, fugly wallpaper, etc...
Geez...it is now taking a couple of 'K' to send a simple 2 line email these days.
I try to keep all my email clients set to text only...both for receiving and sending. Last time I was forced to use Outlook...I couldn't easily get it set to do text only both ways...
Why isn't this set by default?
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Re:pda? (Score:5, Insightful)
Alright. Well I'm using 56k right now in the year 2008, and I seem to be surviving just fine. (Read my sig now if you did not do it last time.) I also use S-VHS, audio cassette, listen to analog radio stations, and take notes with a pen and paper. They all work just fine for my needs.
I used to think I needed the best, but after seeing minidisc fail, digital cassette fail, laserdisc fail, and so on, I've grown a little more cynical about the "need" for the latest technology. I'm starting to suspect these new formats are pushed by corporations just so they can suck money out of our wallets. Pretty soon (circa 2020) they'll probably be announcing a new format that handles 10,000i video, and why we need to throw-out our old video collection.
BACK ON POINT: Dialup works just fine for surfing the net.
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Broadband Wireless Card (Score:4, Informative)
I will point out that you are looking at spending around $50-$60 a month for unlimited access for speeds that hover around 200k-300k a second. Its fine for using HTML e-mail, and most websites. Even using VPN, having Outlook sync up with my RSS Feeds, Exchange Server, and GMail account, only takes about 45 seconds over 3G (I have a LOT of RSS Feeds), and that is only when you first launch the program, of course once launched, it constantly checks mail, so its not that big of an issue.
I should point out that VPN over a cellular modem is flaky at best, and practically useless if you are moving in a vehicle.
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Look on the brightside (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Look on the brightside (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Look on the brightside (Score:5, Informative)
The $200 Billion Broadband Scandal [newnetworks.com]
Here's a summary of the relevant points:
Wouldn't you like your $2000 back?
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Re:Look on the brightside (Score:5, Informative)
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Wireless broadband (Score:4, Informative)
I'm guessing they're not able to get DSL.
There's also the possibility of using WiFi access points and directional antennas to create a point-to-point link with someone who has broadband. I did this for my brother and it works well, just need that person willing to share their broadband connection.
Re:Wireless broadband (Score:5, Interesting)
I used to live just out of range for ADSL, so i found someone down the street who could get it and offered to pay for it and give them use of it in exchange for wireless access to it.
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Re:Wireless broadband (Score:5, Insightful)
There is a solution no one has yet mentioned, ISDN. All POTS companies are required to offer it, and provide it at a decent rate. It won't compare to DSL or Cable, but it is a hell of a lot better than dial up. (Up to 128Kbps)
Rates for a Basic Rate Interface (BRI) should be similar to a standard phone connection, and with modern dial-up modem banks, just about any company that offers dial-up should offer ISDN access. From there, you would have to purchase an ISDN modem for your parents - I personally like 3Com's Office Connect ISDN LAN Modem for the features it provides. The upshot to this solution is that like DSL your parents can use the internet and receive phone calls simultaneously.
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Take a realistic approach (Score:5, Interesting)
The benefit is that as the community grows and more benefits appear for each user, the cumulative benefits become attractive to those who were at first unwilling or wary of such a mesh. When they start joining, they provide their own routers which in turn makes the mesh stronger, more resilient to single-point failures, and simply more stable for everyone.
There are plenty of companies providing this type of solution, but the best that I've found (and seen implemented in various small towns across the US) have been home-grown. Good luck to your parents!
Uh, get the dish or quit crying. (Score:5, Insightful)
Look, there may be wireless solutions in the future. I also do just fine with my email over dial up when necessary (just don't let it download anything with attachments).
DIAL UP IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
Your parents have an open solution by a provider. (satellite) Obviously the looks of their house is more important than high speed internet.
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Re:Uh, get the dish or quit crying. (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Uh, get the dish or quit crying. (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Uh, get the dish or quit crying. (Score:4, Funny)
I have dual core processor. Apparently means that each processor contains two processors. With a little recursion, there's no limit to the computing power at my disposal.
Unfortunately, the setup is only useful for computations so embarrassingly parallel that they're afraid to come out and actually meet the processors interface to interface.
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fake rock (Score:5, Informative)
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Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:5, Interesting)
Mount it on the ground.
Cover it with a fibreglass imitation rock, or some other feature that's microwave-transparent but blends in with the local scenery.
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Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:And I'll tell you exactly how crazy (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:4, Interesting)
Local ordinances don't amount to a hill of beans if the dish can also be used for satellite television.
FCC trumps local ordinances. And they are reportedly quite aggressive about it.
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Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Potentially crazy suggestion: (Score:4, Funny)
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Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Get a satellite dish.
Beat it up, hammer some areas
Make it look weatherworn (paint, spray cobweb)
to make it look 300 years old
Parabolic / Directional Antenna (Score:3, Informative)
Closest neighbour who can have a fast connection, arrange with them to setup a WiFi, but not with regular uni-directional antennae, use directional, big one.
More precise you can align the antennaes, the further you can reach with better bandwidth. To avoid the bad looks, you could hook it up in a tree too.
If you are DIY type, there's lots of DIY tutorials to make one yourself on the cheap, which is just as good or better than some which costs insane high bucks. Just google "DIY WiFi Directional Antenna"
Picture: http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smalllabattstilt2nr.jpg [imageshack.us]
Used: Beer can, some copper wiring, and some household items.
You actually can get quite damn good distances with this kind of setup, alternatively, you guys might want to ask if you could use signal boosters to amplify the strength of signal, but beware, there's very good reasons why by default the output is weak, but that's mostly directed towards to areas where there is other users.
Also, get the best hardware you can find on sane prices, using some cheap D-Link crap or something like that, is plain shooting yourself on the foot, they don't even work for 10 feets, nevermind 10miles no matter what kind of antenna you use.
Also, by nature WiFi is not very reliable, but setup well, it should work fine most of the time.
Look towards Siena (Score:3, Interesting)
Dishes can be painted to match with the existing surrounds - making them blend in fairly easily.
I was in Siena, Italy - a city that didn't develop during the Renaissance after losing a war to Florence - and there were dishes all over that were painted to match the stone and brick work of that city.
If a city that old can have dishes without looking bad or distracting, I think a house in New York will be okay.
Never give up on the easy solution - it's probably the best one.
Deal with it? (Score:4, Funny)
np: Kettel - Afwezig (My Dogan)
Mirror (Score:3, Funny)
They might even be able to use their browser cache for that, I would think. I have mine set at 50Mb and I never get complaints from my browser that it needs more, so I would say 50Mb is enough. Maybe set it to 100Mb of you also want a backup.
I hope this helps. And if not, I still have a 14k4 modem somewhere of you want to speed up the caching process.
Re:Mirror (Score:4, Funny)
P.S. FIRST POST!!!!!
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Authentic (Score:5, Insightful)
Quitcherbitchen (Score:5, Insightful)
They could put a satellite dish on their roof, but it's a 300-year-old house and they feel a dish would be as prohibitively ugly as running dedicated lines would be prohibitively expensive. I've suggested they get familiar with a text-only email client; I also suggested they talk with their senators and local political reps.
(translated) My rich parents can't get broadband in their summer home in Cape Cod because they're too pretentious to use a dish and the mean old phone company doesn't want to spend millions to run DSL out to bumblefuck. Mr. Senator, can you make the taxpayer foot the bill so my parents can have *broadband* in their *summer home*???
Gimme a break. Talk about spoiled. You know, there are people who still use dial-up. Does it suck? A little. But talking about political action so rich people can get broadband in the middle of nowhere where they chose their vacation home? Get out of here.
That's your interpretation (Score:4, Insightful)
Secondly, politicians can do more that spend money to pay for the infrastructure. Telcos require permission from the government to do all sorts of things and as a condition of putting in service to more profitable areas, they could be forced to service other areas as well. Everybody wins. Unless you think spending an extra 25c a month on your subscription to fund it is the slippery slope to socialism and before you know it we'll all be working for the state and need permission to visit a department store, of course.
You may be right, I don't know, but you should not jump to conclusions until you know all the facts.
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Re:Quitcherbitchen (Score:5, Insightful)
"Dear Senator, please destroy a wildlife habitat and sanctuary so that I can get broadband..."
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Cell Tower Internet (Score:4, Insightful)
Both services offer speeds that are roughly equivalent to consumer DSL lines. While it is more expensive than DSL in most locations, if they're not going to run DSL, FiOS or digital cable lines out to you, then you don't have a lot of choices.
stay with it (Score:4, Insightful)
There is tonnes of cable and wireless coverage (Score:4, Funny)
Otherwise, what about ISDN ? or possibly a wireless directional antenna ? (a can) if there is anything tourist related near them
Go ahead and mod me down (Score:5, Insightful)
My heart bleeds.
"Neither Comcast nor Verizon want to bother upgrading the hardware required to get them faster service."
Surprising, since I'm sure that Comcast and Verizon execs as well as major stockholders are among their neighbors.
"They could put a satellite dish on their roof, but it's a 300-year-old house and they feel a dish would be as prohibitively ugly as running dedicated lines would be prohibitively expensive."
Uh-huh. Guess what: they didn't have cable television, central air, electricity, gas or probably even running water 300 years ago either (let alone the telephone lines used for dial-up). But I'm going to guess that since you're asking about internet access, you've already got all these modern amenities duck taped into a structure that wasn't built to accept it. I'd bet the precious aesthetics were lost about the time that flush toilets were installed.
"I've suggested they get familiar with a text-only email client"
I'd suggest their pretentious rich asses get used to doing without for a while if they insist on deliberately spending their summers away from civilization.
"I also suggested they talk with their senators and local political reps."
i. e. their next door neighbors...
"Are there other ways they can increase the functionality despite the pitiful bandwidth?"
Yeah, get over yourselves. After having all the latest Nineteenth and Twentieth Century amenities stapled onto the outside and inside of your "summer cottage," a one-meter satellite dish isn't going to be the end of the world. It won't be as bad as, say, the windmills your parents refuse to allow to be built anywhere near their precious cottage for fear of ruining the view.
"Any other good ideas? Any success stories you can share where people have finally got the bandwidth they crave?"
Crave bandwidth? Summer in a modern condominium instead.
Re:what about EVDO? (Score:5, Informative)
And at 60 Dollars a month you have nothing to complain about.
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EVOO? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Why is "turn to government" the first solution? (Score:4, Informative)
That said, Cape Cod is already whipping up solutions. Put the folks in contact with Open Cape, and they will probably be able to find a wifi provider that has or plans to provide service to their area. http://www.opencape.com/ [opencape.com]
Worse case scenario, they can buy a laptop and access broadband in the city. You don't HAVE to have broadband at home. It's ok to sit in a cafe once in a while, and you could call them instead of emailing.
I wouldn't know myself, but I understand that there are still some people actually communicating in analog. Sounds primitive, I know. I understand ROTFL is actually considered rude, but apparently LOL is still ok in person.
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