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A 30-Picowatt Processor For Sensors
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timothy
on Sun Jun 15, 2008 04:08 PM
from the just-think-what-a-AA-battery-could-do dept.
from the just-think-what-a-AA-battery-could-do dept.
Roland Piquepaille writes "University of Michigan (U-M) researchers have developed an ultra low power microchip which 'uses 30,000 times less power in sleep mode and 10 times less in active mode than comparable chips now on the market.' It only consumes 30 picowatts in sleep mode, which means that a simple watch battery could power the chip for more than 200 years. Of course, this is not a processor for your next computer. It is designed for sensor-based devices such as medical implants, environment monitors or surveillance equipment. However, the design is very clever." Roland's blog has some more information, including a die picture of the chip, known as the Phoenix.
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Watch batteries don't last 263 years... (Score:3, Informative)
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From the wiki, a 39kg RTG can generate a max of 390W (electricity) and 7.2kW(heat). 390W of electricity after 8 hours will give you 11 Megajoules - the amount of energy in 330ml of petrol (think size of soda can), and that assumes 100% efficiency.
Now if you can also convert all of that 7.2 kilowatts of heat to energy - making a total of about 7.6kW (a
No but Lithiium pacemaker batteries last ... (Score:4, Interesting)
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The article sucks (Score:4, Interesting)
"So how did these scientists build this very efficient chip? The answer is extremely simple: they've reduced the battery size. 'Phoenix is the same size as its thin-film battery, marking a major achievement. In most cases, batteries are much larger than the processors they power, drastically expanding the size and cost of the entire system, said David Blaauw, a professor in the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. For instance, the battery in a laptop computer is about 5,000 times larger than the processor and it provides only a few hours of power.'"
So... they made it more efficient by giving it a smaller battery? That is so obviously backwards... They can give it a smaller battery because it's more efficient, but not the other way around... Or did i miss something? The article certainly doesn't help explain anything more if that is really come clever something-something going on...
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Kind of an obvious and not so ground breaking statement, but at least it makes sense.
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From TFA:
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The art of compromise (Score:3, Insightful)
These 30pW sleep mode CPUs will allow things to go to the next level of minaturisation, but will need reduced cost and will need to prove that they are reliable.
There is a huge issue with power consumption vs stability. Basically, each bit in a CPU hol
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And also, will require that the sensors reduce their power consumption too. A complete system consists of more than just a processor and a battery.
I'm a fan of the PIC10F myself. Used it in a few magic tricks for a guy in vegas. You'd be surprised how much processing power magicians pack these days
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So... they made it more efficient by giving it a smaller battery? That is so obviously backwards... They can give it a smaller battery because it's more efficient, but not the other way around... Or did i miss something? The article certainly doesn't help explain anything more if that is really come clever something-something going on...
Yup, real dumb. Closer to the proverbial horse's mouth [umich.edu]:
There's nothing special about its size [...] But Phoenix is the same size as its thin-film battery, marking a major achievement. In most cases, batteries are much larger than the processors they power, drastically expanding the size and cost of the entire system [...] "Low power consumption allows us to reduce battery size and thereby overall system size. Our system, including the battery, is projected to be 1,000 times smaller than the smallest known sensing system today"
The article goes on to the potential new applications with really tiny sensors, mostly embedding hordes of tiny bugs into the target organism/structure for distributed, robust monitoring.
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How I would do it (Score:2, Informative)
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What's with all these idiots who think "theoretically" is a synonym for "not really"? This gem in particular:
"Theoretically, the energy stored in a watch battery would be enough to run the Phoenix for 263 years."
Note that it's carefully worded to say "the energy stored in.." not to that a watch battery actually _could_ do this. Because it couldn't. The battery's internal resistance and chemical processes would cause it to drain itself long before you'd ever consume a meaningful portion of that energy.
Only in very specialized applications where you have extremely weak, but continuous sources of power, could you realize any benefit to a picowatt vs a nanowatt of consumption. For batteries or supercaps, the power source will self-discharge at a much higher rate anyway.
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In theory, you're absolutely right.
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It may make you happy that the math doesn't seem to right in any case [google.com], based on a CR2032 battery, which is rated at 3V, 220mah. 263 years sounds more like what you'd get [google.com] running off a large electrolytic capacitor [digikey.com], but that is an even more annoying notion.
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Actually, I got that point exactly, which is why I said the watch battery metric is stupid. The problem is that marketroids actually think that more people will understand it if they rate it in "watch battery years" instead of watts, just like storage capacities are easier for us to understand in terms of "lib
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OK.. so distances are better explained in terms of Hummers placed end-to-end, instead of miles? The watch battery comparison is just as meaningless, because people don't need to power anything for 200+ years, nor do they have an intuitive feel for how much energy a wa
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Chuck Moore is doing things like that quite often (Score:3, Interesting)
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A turned-off switch in series with the system would drop the consumption to even lower levels while in sleep mode.
Somebody is desperately trying to justify grant money spent on pizza and beer...
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You can't just stop the clock then start it back up and expect that power consumption will be negligible during that time or that the circuit will work properly when the clock is restarted.
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10 Times Less? How is that possible? (Score:2, Funny)
Does that make any kind of sense to any of you?
Wouldn't you want to say 1/10th and 1/30,000th? Or even be cool and say "one order of magnitude" or even "5 orders of magnitude and a third applied to the result".
(please disregard the less/fewer issue here, one thing at a time)
Sleep for 200 years? (Score:2)
Bad article (Score:5, Informative)
The guy (who admits to not knowing his stuff so perhaps we can forgive him) really hasnt got a clue
The processor is designed specifically for sensors that wake up, do a few calculations and go back to sleep, these type of devices are genrally battery powered and off grid and generally make a decision whether to power up some other device eg to transmit the data. The device would probably be useless for anything involving serious processing, even the processor in an optical mouse would probably wipe the floor with it!
Barring that there are billions (yes billions not millions) of sensor devices out there currently using PIC/AMR/8051 derivatives that may benefit from this technology.
Interestingly we are getting to a level of power where even the most inneficient generator (or a low power radio signal) and a rather small capacitor could power it forever
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If it's 30-picowatt in Sleep mode... (Score:4, Insightful)
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If these devices can be powered by a nanoscale heat engine, they could live indefinitely, as long as their host human is alive to measure.
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Watch battery for 200 years? (Score:3, Informative)
Rubbish! Even if you draw ZERO power from a watch battery, it will be totally flat in less than a tenth of this time. They have a 15-20 year shelf life and obviously that will only get worse if you put it in a device that draws power from it. You would need at least 10 batteries to power the device for 200 years.
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This paper outlines using a Gd148 source to power medical implants. Fascinating.
A solid sphere of pure Gd148 (~7900 kg/m3) of radius r = 95 microns surrounded by a 5-micron thick platinum shield (total device radius R = 100 microns) and a thin polished silver coating of emissivity er = 0.02 suspended in vacuo would initially maintain a constant temperature ... [of 600K] ... with a 75-year half-life, initially generating 17 microwatts of thermal power which can be converted to 8 microwatts of mechanical power by a Stirling engine operating at ~50% efficiency.
My thought would be to skip the Stirling engine and go RTG.
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Your rant about Roland served Slashdot some ads. Here's a thought: Don't post any comments in Roland's threads, then suddenly Slashdot will have an incentive to toss the tosser.
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(at the current RolandP posting frequency that would mean
What really gets me is that I get suckered in all the time to just take the stories one by one without checking who posted them and after reading the summary I sort of get this sinking feeling, check back and sure enough... It's like being rickrolled only worse.