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Google May Scrap Yahoo Deal
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Soulskill
on Sat Nov 01, 2008 08:17 AM
from the packing-up-their-toys dept.
from the packing-up-their-toys dept.
JagsLive points out a Reuters story which suggests that Google may walk away from its deal with Yahoo instead of accepting possible antitrust limitations from the government. The ongoing investigation of the deal by the Department of Justice has caused new concerns to be raised over whether the two companies have adequately addressed issues such as privacy and competition. From Reuters:
"'Are they more serious about walking away? Yes. Have they decided? I'm not sure,' one source told Reuters on Friday. 'Yahoo wants the deal, and they're willing to have Google sign anything at the Justice Department to have them do it.' ... Part of the impetus of Google's walking away could be Yahoo's talks with Time Warner Inc about buying the content and advertising operations of its AOL unit. Google initially struck the deal with Yahoo as a way to fend off Microsoft Corp's unsolicited bid. Yahoo and AOL are conducting due diligence to see what a combined company would look like."
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Anonymous Oddity writes "The Washington Post is reporting that the Justice Department's investigating the Yahoo-Google advertising deal. Obviously the deal controls a massive portion of the internet advertising market. US Antitrust law isn't entirely intuitive, but it does tend to frown on large deals between companies that operate on the same level if those deals can be interpreted as restrictive of trade."
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Yahhooo! (Score:1, Funny)
As someone at Microsoft yells Yaaahhhhoooo!!!
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While someone at Google throws a chair. How the tables have turned. Or chairs, as the case may be.
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Uh, not really. Microsoft and Yahoo are in separate markets, for the most part. Some of their stuff overlaps, but a combined MS and Yahoo would not have a massive marketshare dominance over any one thing (aside from the OS market, maybe, but M$ already has that).
It's very different from Google purchasing Yahoo, because those two companies offer many of the same services, and would have a huge portion of web searches if they combined.
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since when does the DOJ care about privacy and competition? I guess they don't have enough on Google to blackmail their execs into a secret "backroom" like they did for Quest and the other telcos (you'll note they've allowed ATT/Version former monopoly to buy whatever they want for a decade).
I'd agree, again for privacy and competition, why does Microsoft need to buy another web search engine. They have their own and they have Windows.. that's not good to have 85%+ of the computers running 1 OS going to 1
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It's sad.. (Score:2, Insightful)
But I'd like it more if Google was the future owner of yahoo.. Microsoft is large enough in my opinion.
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Google actually has a stronger foothold in its primary market than Microsoft does in its, at the moment. Google is not embattled by free alternatives to its main product line that are catching up rapidly.
If you ask me, Google is the company that we have the most to fear from at the moment, given that they are the biggest pushers (quietly) of "cloud" computing, which is essentially an effort to remove control from you of the computer on which you work.
You can be as much of a fanboy as you like, but accept it
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I know fully well that Google is the largest actor on the online Ad market. And their other free "web" based tools are being pushed at unsuspecting consumers. Which I believe is bad mostly from a privacy standpoint, therefore I don't use any of their offerings for private communication and such.
Also I don't like how the term "cloud" is gaining momentum. What is wrong with the good old Web or the Web 2.0? (which I also found silly)...
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Google actually has a stronger foothold in its primary market than Microsoft does in its, at the moment.
I read this as saying that Microsoft's marketshare in the OS market is less than Google's in the search market. This would definitely be false.
Re:It's sad.. (Score:5, Insightful)
That said. Your point is valid. There is nothing like enough competition in search. I find that search has never really met my expectations, and that it is doing so less and less. There has to be new ideas and new players in this market. Google is the only show in town, and Google is well and truly gamed.
However, innovation in search is not going to come from Google, Yahoo or Microsoft. Corporations are far too bureaucratic, conservative, and slow to develop new ideas. If you work in a corporation it can take you months to get approval to even start work on a new idea. No, It is going to come in the same way it happened for Google. Two guys working in their garage, with a damn good idea. These guys can pick it up and run with it, much faster than any corporation ever could.
The sad thing is that with the current credit clusterfuck there may not be funding for innovators. This is good for Google, but it's really bad for everyone else. Google seriously needs competition, it would even be good for them too, they are getting stale and a shaking up would do them a lot of good. There's been no significant innovation in search for 10 years. This is bad for everyone.
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I wish my dead company had a P/E of ~19 and make consistent profits.
http://finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:YHOO [google.com]
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However, innovation in search is not going to come from Google, Yahoo or Microsoft. Corporations are far too bureaucratic, conservative, and slow to develop new ideas. If you work in a corporation it can take you months to get approval to even start work on a new idea. No, It is going to come in the same way it happened for Google. Two guys working in their garage, with a damn good idea. These guys can pick it up and run with it, much faster than any corporation ever could.
Google actually lets its developers use 20% of their time to work on own projects...which is an emulation of the twho guys in a garage I think...It leads to innovation and many of the best google services were born this way.
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Google actually lets its developers use 20% of their time to work on own projects...which is an emulation of the twho guys in a garage I think...It leads to innovation and many of the best google services were born this way.
True, but by most reports, as the company has grown, internally it's been more and more difficult to get that 20% time. It's kind of the dark secret of the HR department that although they pitch 20% time pretty heavily to applicants, the reality is not the same.
I get the impression the ones that do are either pet projects of higher-ups, or those who happen to be ahead in the internal corpo-political geek battles.
Furthermore, it I've read that search is (not surprisingly) the most difficult team to get invol
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Hey! That's not a fair statement. Someone in legal could find new innovative ways to sue competitors, create patents for areas that were previously unpatentable, and create new profits centers where previously none existed before. There is always more room to grow in that area.
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Obviously those 2 guys can spend 100% of their work time on their idea (as well as much of their free time most likely). They should obviously do documentation and will wear a lot of hats, but they don't report to anyone and don't spend half their week in meetings, reports or preparing powerpoint presentations probably. I assume Google, like all corporations, re
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I really feel sad for their employees
I love their support for open source projects such as YUI and PHP :(
My sites rely so heavikl
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What was Microsoft's top offer? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Is trading over-inflated stock - and artificially inflating stock prices - really much different to trading sub-prime mortgages?
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I always likened it to the beanie baby craze. They will always have some value slightly more than retail like $7 buck each to the right person, but selling them for $50 or $100 is "opportunity cost", Microsoft jacked the price of Yahoo up because they want it for the value of removing competition in the long term.. they were basically offering the $30/share to close it and keep the Microsoft shares from being watered down by competition. Microsoft will take their $180B cap and add $17B to it.. and in anoth
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>Is what's "good" for the company always high shre price?
What's good for the company is whatever it's owners (i.e. shareholders) say it is. Period.
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And what about the employees? (Score:3, Interesting)
What's really sad is that Yahoo's CEO Jerry Yang had a lot of support from employees who feared that Microsoft would can them. The threat of their revolt was in part what drove Microsoft away.
Now he's turning around and repaying them by announcing a second around of layoffs that will total about 10% of the workforce. Source. [cnet.com] Looks like everyone got the raw deal out of this. It makes you wonder if Yang even had a plan for Yahoo post-merger.
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Except, you know, what happens to all those free software developpers at Yahoo! and Zimbra and such?
You want to tell me that doesn't draw any income at all?
Being bought up by Microsoft would lead to a tear-down of the company, effectively. Just steal the search engine and keep rolling.
(and there was a lawsuit, IIRC, but it may have been thrown out for excess idioticy)
closer to $23-24 (Score:2)
Microsoft made a mainly stock offer, of slightly over one share of MSFT per share of YHOO. At the time, MSFT was trading at about $28-29 per share, so this valued Yahoo at ~$31-32 per share. However, MSFT is now at $22, so had Yahoo's investors taken that offer, they would be sitting on something worth ~$23-24.
Of course, they could've sold the Microsoft stock immediately upon completion of the deal for ~$31-32. But if they had wanted to do that, they could've just sold their Yahoo stock in the first place,
oh the irony (Score:1, Insightful)
The DOJ wants more competition in web advertising but Yahoo just isn't competitive without this deal. They need this deal to go through otherwise they're dead in the water. What's going to happen? Yahoo will get bought out, reducing competition. Thank god the DOJ saved us from this collusion.
Google should encourage M$ to buy Yahoo! (Score:2)
Google is ahead because M$ and Yahoo! don't know how to give the people what they want and until they get that down, they are doomed to failure.
Google has always been in the dominant position because, let's face it, Google doesn't HAVE to buy Yahoo! They might buy Yahoo! to keep M$ from getting them but if it's too difficult why should th
The Department of Justice? (Score:1)
I can't believe the government suddenly wants to regulate a merger. I thought that went out the window the day they let Microsoft off the hook with a slap on the wrist. Funny what a little economic meltdown will do.
At least the Fed didn't decide Yahoo needs a bailout. Why not throw a few billion their way while they're at it? And I hate to bring it up, but my company could use a little propping up too. It's a one person business so a few million would probably do it.
*wince* (Score:1)
Yahoo and AOL are conducting due diligence to see what a combined company would look like.
Why does the Titanic come to mind?
Yahoo knows (Score:1)
A cat is no trade for integrity.