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NASA Tests Deep-Space Network Modeled On the Internet

Posted by kdawson on Tue Nov 18, 2008 07:31 PM
from the here-hold-this dept.
hcg50a writes "NASA has successfully tested the first deep space communications network modeled on the Internet. Working as part of a NASA-wide team, engineers from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA, used software called Disruption-Tolerant Networking, or DTN, to transmit dozens of space images to and from a NASA science spacecraft located about 20 million miles from Earth. The store-and-forward protocol was designed by NASA in consultation with Vint Cerf. Here's a discussion from last July before the test began."
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  • Imagine... (Score:4, Funny)

    by pitchpipe (708843) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @07:36PM (#25810845)
    lolcats in space!
  • by Anonymous Coward

    5th post

  • DRM (Score:3, Funny)

    by frisket (149522) <peterNO@SPAMsilmaril.ie> on Tuesday November 18 2008, @07:36PM (#25810859) Homepage
    Would sub-space internet radio broadcasts be subject to a DRM?
      • by Alwin Henseler (640539) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @08:17PM (#25811259) Homepage

        With space you have no internet (i.e. road) and TTLs are too high to use the same technology we use here.

        You might think so, but it *has* been shown to work. I mean, don't tell me you never heard of the pigeon [cnet.com] protocol [ietf.org]?

        • Pigeons in space... I need to say no more.

          • by corsec67 (627446) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @08:44PM (#25811443) Homepage Journal

            Pigeons in space... I need to say no more.

            Well, if you throw them in the right direction with the right velocity...

            Assuming you don't have to enter or exit any atmospheres, it could work. The catching site would be messy, and would give Mike Rowe an excuse to go into space.

            It would just be a "dead pigeon" protocol.

            • I have just patented a method of transferring data between planets, wherein a party at location A launches a carrier pigeon with a message attached, and a party at location B has a giant baseball mitt to catch the pigeon.

              And if that doesn't work out, I am copyrighting my list of ingredients for my Finger-Licking Fried Pigeon recipe...

            • Nah, Swallows would be better. They can hold larger packets. Up to a certian size, they can just grip it by the husk, after that, it just takes two of 'em with the packet on a line.

              • African, European, or Alien swallows?

                (assuming that the airspeed velocity is irrelevant here...)

      • Whereas imagine e-mail being a train car, and TCP/IP (i.e. internet) being the railroad tracks.
        That's confusing. Can you rewrite that as a car analogy?

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        why do you assume e-mail means TCP/IP?

        i guess you don't remember UUCP? yep, that was a store-and-forward protocol, which evolved into a 'network of networks' working to get e-mail and netnews before the Internet.

  • ...and route around event horizons.

  • very exciting (Score:5, Insightful)

    by qw0ntum (831414) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @07:41PM (#25810925) Journal
    This is very exciting, not only because of its utility in space, but because of its utility on Earth as well. Particularly in areas with unreliable internet service, delay-tolerant protocols can be extremely helpful for allowing basic connectivity to the outside world. Consider the choice is having no internet communications at all versus waiting a day or two for your email to travel out of your village, onto the passing truck that is caching data, and into the city where it can proceed through a reliable internet connection. DTN is powerful stuff.

    It really kills me when people dismiss developments in space programs as being too far removed (no pun intended) from the rest of us to be relevant.
    • Remember FIDONet (Score:5, Informative)

      by Cyberax (705495) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @07:52PM (#25811035)

      We already have a working _global_ _worldwide_ _free_ network based on store-and-forward protocols.

      It's called FIDONet. It's almost dead now, but it was very alive during early 90-s before the advent of cheap Internet.

      Kids...

      • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 18 2008, @08:35PM (#25811365)

        We already have a working _global_ _worldwide_ _free_ network based on store-and-forward protocols.

        It's called FIDONet. It's almost dead now, but it was very alive during early 90-s before the advent of cheap Internet.

        Kids...

        We shall, respectfully, remove ourselves from your lawn.

      • I was about to say the same thing - FIDONet, RIME, etc... etc... Store-and-forward message networks are old hat. NASA is just late to the 'everything must be web-enabled' party.

      • We already have a working _global_ _worldwide_ _free_ network based on store-and-forward protocols.

        It's called FIDONet. It's almost dead now, but it was very alive during early 90-s before the advent of cheap Internet.

        Kids...

        The best thing is if NASA used FIDONet think of the money they'd save by only sending messages to Deep Space at 3am when the tolls are cheapest!

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        UUCPNet, Pathalias, and the UUCP Mapping Project.

        Kids, indeed.
        --
        ihnp4!stolaff!bungia!foundln!john

        • Beat me to it. (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Ungrounded Lightning (62228) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @10:25PM (#25812255) Journal

          UUCPNet, Pathalias, and the UUCP Mapping Project.

          Kids, indeed.

          I still have several names registered with the UUCP Mapping Project as of their shutdown (freezing the namespace).

          Some of them still exchange mail via UUCP, too. Both with each other and the rest of the net. B-)

          (In fact one of those rest-of-the-net links was down for a while and came back up right after McColo was cut off. B-> )

          = = = =

          Running mailing lists with a periodic UUCP link in the path has an additional side-effect: It limits the traffic explosion from mail loops that are not detected to a manageable volume, giving the admin time to shut down the offending address.

          = = = =

          I understand that UUCP mailnet is ALREADY in use in Africa in a very interesting form:

            - Villages have a WiFi-enabled machine to exchange mails and files with the outside world.
            - The local mail carrier has a bicycle with a WiFi-enabled, battery-powered machine with a decently large disk.
            - As he cycles from village to village the bike-mounted machine associates with the local machine and UUCP does its usual magic, transferring mail, files, and download requests. (Don't know if they also run netnews groups on it...
            - One of the machines on his route has internet connectivity and transfers the mail, files, and download requests to the rest of the world.

          All with legacy protocols doing what they always did. And he doesn't even have to stop pedaling. B-)

      • Curse you!
        I am already behind on my mandatory /. reading... and now you send me on a very interesting Wikipedia click trail.
        20+ option on the poll tonight.
        • Same problem :)

          I'm seriously thinking about FireFox extension which will stop opening new Wikipedia links after 20-30 minutes of reading Wikipedia pages.

      • If you ever get those kids off your lawn, I may be willing to pay big dollars for the right to put a giant baseball mitt there.
        • Yes, FIDONet is the name of the network (like Internet).

          There are standard protocols in FIDO, like in Internet. They are specified by FidoNet Technical Standards Committee documents (http://ftsc.org/docs/) . All FIDONet nodes must implement a minimal subset of specifications to receive direct netmail.

          In practice, FIDO worked over any media capable of file transfer. I received my echomail with a custom 2400-bps modem from radio _broadcasts_.

          Good times...

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      It would be nice if there were packet drivers for the protocol for Linux, NetBSD and NS-3 (the current network simulator). This would allow people to get a good feel for the behaviour of the new protocol, which may have uses beyond deep space. (It is possible to imagine real-world networks on Planet Earth where the characteristics of the network compare with inter-satellite communications.) Besides, would you rather Europe's answer to GPS use Windows?
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Disruption Tolerant Network protocols certainly have a place in ad-hoc wireless networks where bit-error rates are high and link outages are common.

        One of the drawbacks of a DTN is the fact that intermediate nodes require greater complexity and memory for the store-and-forward.

    • I agree, this is very exciting news in terms of internet devel- *error: connection dropped*
    • I think the post office has beat you to it, man.

      Read your post again, and instead of EMAIL, think A LETTER IN AN ENVELOPE.

      Or, were you actually being so awesomely sarcastic that I've missed it as well?
  • Yay! (Score:3, Funny)

    by owlnation (858981) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @07:45PM (#25810967)
    Space Porn!!!
  • I can market my CHEEP VAIGRA and ATHENTIC ROLLEX WATCH to the Vogons.

    Revenge will be mine!
  • bollocks (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mofag (709856) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @07:59PM (#25811103)

    Deep space my arse! Its just space. We've not even stepped out of our own little planet-moon system yet and we think we want to start using up space-faring superlatives. Morons! Soon the term deep-space will be about as meaningful as artificial intelligence (assuming deep-space was ever a meaningful term in the first place). If this system is for "deep-space" then what will we call a communication protocol that works well between stars?

    Anyone in marketing, kill yourself! - Bill Hicks

    • Re:bollocks (Score:5, Funny)

      by Spikeles (972972) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @08:32PM (#25811341)

      then what will we call a communication protocol that works well between stars

      Interstellar?

    • Re:bollocks (Score:4, Funny)

      by plover (150551) * on Tuesday November 18 2008, @09:32PM (#25811791) Homepage Journal

      I think Microsoft may have been considering the scope of this problem for a long time. They stopped the hubristic practice of naming "guaranteed unique" identifiers as UUIDs (Universally Unique IDentifiers) and started referring to them as GUIDs (Globally Unique IDentifiers.)

      Why would they change horses in the middle of the race, with all the expense of changing documentation, supporting two naming systems, and all of the resultant confusion, unless there was a reason to not refer to them as "Universal"?

      OK, maybe it's because they were trying to "embrace, extend, and extinguish" the RFC defining UUIDs. But I'd prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt, and say that they were "forward thinking", looking at the problems of networking in space.

      BWA HA HA HA! Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face for that last bit.

  • So all the displays on the space station have in large print this message displayed:

    ALL OF THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.

    That would be fun.

  • by Alwin Henseler (640539) on Tuesday November 18 2008, @08:06PM (#25811171) Homepage

    CLANWARS_PUBLIC#1 LAVAPIT-BIG UDP 56
    LOL-GIBBERISHED OH!NOSHIT_ctf UDP 68
    PLAYTIME.DOT.UK DM_HOLYGROUNDS UDP 254
    FRAGFEST_REDPLANET DM_HELLHOLE UDP 2,139,442

    Ping of 2 MILLION? WTF ?!?

  • $ ping mars
    PING mars (77.65.82.83) 56(84) bytes of data.

    --- mars ping statistics ---
    130 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 129084ms

    Oh noes !
    We slashdotted Mars !

  • I see no mention of these measures, and am not amused by this ridiculous lack of foresight if in fact they are omitted. These need to be present from the start, not attempted to tack on later.

    It would be much easier for anybody to spy on backbone communications in this giant wireless system than what we currently have with wired backbones.