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KDE 4.2.4 Released
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timothy
on Wed Jun 03, 2009 03:43 PM
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An anonymous reader writes "KDE 4.2.4 has been released. See the release announcement for details." Barring a "security issue or another grave bug," this is the end of the KDE 4.2 line, which means for distros based on long-term support, it might be the thing to get used to for a while.
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BSD? (Score:3, Funny)
I didn't know KDE was a BSD project now.
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Regardless of what section it is filed under, it's also worth noting that KDE 4.x runs on Windows too. I'm not quite ready to suggest replacing WIndows Explorer entirely, but the apps and even the desktop work pretty well. That said, I would never have heard of KDE without trying Linux...
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lol, I wasn't questioning whether KDE could *run* on *BSD! I was referring to putting this story in the BSD category on Slashdot.
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Re:BSD? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is Slashdot. Always go with the default reason. The editors fucked up. It explains almost everything.
Dupes. The editors fucked up.
Miscategorized. The editors fucked up.
Everything that says "iPhone" promoted to front page. The editors fucked up.
Cowboy Neal. The editors fucked up.
See?
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Well, the users fucked up and the editors fucked up by not catching it.
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That was true almost 8 years ago.
Not anymore.
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I assume that he pissed someone off that has mod points.
Any statement he makes is being marked as troll
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1) There's no intrinsic tie between KDE and linux either, so if you want to tag the story with a penguin then you may as well add a daemon as well.
2) KDE is the desktop of choice for both Desktop BSD and PC BSD, as far as I know these are the only 2 desktop oriented BSD distributions out there, so actually BSD is linked in more to KDE than GNOME.
3) KDE in theory (and practice) ports to other platforms as well: WIndows/OS X/Other unix, but in practice, I don't think you see anything like the
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a) You might not agree with the reasoning in b), but I'm probably not going to spend any more time responding ;)
b) Slashdot has sectional stories for stories we'd like to post but (as with this, a point-release of software other than, say, the Linux kernel), and there's a slightly messy overlap between sections, topics and tags, in that a given story can be assigned to multiple sections, tagged with various terms including ones that are covered by topics or section names, and labeled with any of the 100+ to
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What's that symbol next to your name? I can recall seeing that before.
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It means that he's a Slashdot admin or employee or something of that nature. Note the text at the top of the page:
Posted by timothy on Wednesday June 03, @01:43PM
from the smoothing-a-smoothie dept.
CmdrTaco and all the rest have it too.
KDE 4 looks promising (Score:4, Interesting)
My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth, but the newer ones don't work at all, unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that'd be sweet.
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This looks like it has what you are looking for. There are even instructions on how to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 and keep KDE 3.
Re:KDE 4 looks promising (Score:4, Informative)
KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable. It's what 4 (in general) should ahve been from the start. Don't even bother looking at 4.1 or 4.0, and if you do, don't expect 4.2 to be the same. It's not. The older ones are broken, yes, but don't assume taht means that 4.x is *ALL* broken.
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It's what 4 (in general) should ahve been from the start.
That's what people said about 4.1.
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KDE GOT IT RIGHT (Score:4, Insightful)
I think KDE nailed it with their 4.0 release, but let's explore the other options:
Chaning the major version number at the same time as the major change in architecture was absolutely the sensible and mature thing to do, it was never going to stay 4.0 long anyway (see above again again). So it was buggy as hell but you still had the choice of using 3.x stable, it still had "new development architecture it's buggy as hell" plastered all over it, it's not like civilization started to crumble because some "point zero" piece of software somewhere wasnt perfect. People need to chill out, man.
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Promising? Yes. Usable? not really (Score:3, Interesting)
KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable.
You seem to have a different definition of usable than I do.
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No kprinter, does not see my shared cups printer (previous version worked ok), dolphin instead of konqueror, middle click is broken in konqueror when browsing files (used to open in a standlane application), no kasbar, start menu does not add newly installed programs without restart.
This is on a system that I only use occasionally.
Good work, but it is not 3.5 yet.
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A working network manager would be lovely.
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It's there. Knetworkmanager was replaced by the network manager plasmoid.
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Unfortunately, thanks to how much ATI graphics drivers suck, I'm on Kubuntu right now, and 9.04 seems to actually be fairly good.
I must say, I really like the "screen-profiles" package they shipped (of course this wasn't kde specific), on the other hand, memory usage is through the roof, like 2500 M with firefox (4 tabs) + kmail + Amarok + Whatever aut
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How about KDE 4.3? (Score:2, Interesting)
Are you expecting KDE 4.3 to be so buggy that it is going to be uninteresting for long term support projects? In the past, there were huge leaps of progress from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1 to KDE 4.2!
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I think the "get used to it" is referring any LTS releases between now and whenever 4.3 is released, as IIRC, the next release of Ubuntu in October will be an LTS.
I'll switch to KDE 4.x when Debian stable has it. (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, I know I can use the backport [debian.net], but forget it, last time I messed with KDE 4 (on Kubuntu) I found it was still lacking in a lot of really cool utilities KDE 3.x had and I'm just to lazy to recompile all the 3.x versions onto 4 myself. I guess I really have lost some drive as I've gotten older, I'll let someone else do it for me, and when they do I'll use it, and until the 3.5x is good enough.
BTW - kaudiocreator was near the top of that list, that was a stupid easy and useful program. Yes, I can do it other ways, and did for a while, but I kind of liked that one. Oddly, the change in interface was fine, I liked it, KDE4.x and I can get along fine, as soon as the utilities catch up.
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By 4.2, nearly all KDE utilities and applications have been ported, and as of 4.2.3 nearly all the noticeable bugs were worked out (it worked better than 3.5.9, the last 3.x I used). Don't assume anything about 4.2 based on 4.1 or 4.0; both of those were released before they should have been,a dn should have been considered more like a tech/API preview (4.0) and early beta of a finished version (4.1). Frankly, they both sucked, and it has cost KDE a lot of reputation, but 4.2 is solid. It's what 4.x should
The same old question applies ... (Score:3, Interesting)
How does this version compares to v3.5.10 as far as features and stability?
I'm still waiting to replace my ol' KDE v3 without harming my everyday work!
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I would say stability is a step up; KDE itself I've never had crash, but I get fewer application crashes in 4.2.x (4.2.3 on my current system, I'll upgrade shortly) than I did in 3.5.9 (didn't try .10).
Features are a little harder, but I'd call that an improvement too. The desktop is nicer but... different. Tinker with it a little and I think you'll like it better, but it has changed. Most applicaitons have been ported across pretty straight, with the same features as before, but a few have had significant
The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux (Score:3, Insightful)
Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.
So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense. Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.
And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbeliever to the 'wonder that is Linux on the desktop'
And that is why Android is explodi
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please mod parent down -1 heretic :)
But seriously he is somewhat correct BUT I don't want to see every Desktop app to turn into some MS Windows copy.
I want my "advanced computer user OS" and not grandma's OS and this is why I use Linux. Linux is advanced software, it allows me to do things Windows users don't even understand or don't know it can be done.
I choose my Linux distribution because it is not the "I'll hold your hand all the way" software and the less computer savvy individual can use something lik
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But seriously he is somewhat correct BUT I don't want to see every Desktop app to turn into some MS Windows copy. I want my "advanced computer user OS" and not grandma's OS and this is why I use Linux. Linux is advanced software, it allows me to do things Windows users don't even understand or don't know it can be done. I choose my Linux distribution because it is not the "I'll hold your hand all the way" software and the less computer savvy individual can use something like *buntu.
This statement is just fucked up on so many levels, why on earth do you need a different distro to run different software? On Windows everything from MS Paint to Adobe Photoshop CS4 runs fine on the same machine, both individually and in parallel. Is that not true on Linux? Ok, so you can have some special needs for some special app, that's what /usr/local is for. But like "I'm so special on everything that my computer isn't usable withoue USE flags" attitude is just bullshit. I bet there's people on *buntu
Re:The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux (Score:4, Insightful)
Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.
No such single controlling entity exists which enforces a consistent UI over any desktop system.
Play with Windows for a bit. There's the standard way you're supposed to do things, and then there's the IE7/8 way, and then there's the Office "Ribbon" way (which is implemented several ways in several different apps), and then there's the iTunes "let's make it look OSX-y" way...
Or OS X. Mac users seem to be under some really weird illusion that X programs make the system inconsistent, when even among recent apps, you have one aqua-ish look, and one chrome/steel-ish look.
I could go on...
So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense. Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.
A mess which somehow works everywhere else, but when it comes to Desktop Linux, this is the reason people ditch it.
Not lack of drivers. Not lack of application support. Not lack of vendor support, or of preinstalled options. Not sheer FUD about new things.
No, it's the lack of a consistent UI that's the problem.
And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbeliever
Or as someone who brings up a tired old troll which has been discounted time and time again.
And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks
"Exploding"? Really?
How's it doing compared to the iPhone?
No, Android has exactly the same "controlling authority" as everything else. That is, it doesn't -- as soon as you install a third-party app, you get whatever you get.
while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.
Desktop Linux was ever in a position to be "whipped out of the market" by Microsoft? News to me.
No, Microsoft has always dominated the desktop market. Linux and OS X both seem to be growing lately, but not fast enough to make a real dent.
But at the moment, Microsoft dominates the market mostly because Microsoft dominates the market.
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Desktop Linux's problems are:
* Audio APIs and drivers.
* Graphics card drivers, and X11.
Microsoft marketdroids' standard talking points detected.
The theme here is is obscure 80's style C APIs
Do you, by any chance, know, where FindFirstFile() and FindNextFile() in your beloved Windows come from?
CP/M. And it was a stupid design in 80's just like it's a stupid design now.
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$3.00 per month for Windows + $3.00 per month for antivirus + $6.00 per month for office suite + $18.00 per month for enterprise-quality image/illustration editing suite adds up quickly. Linux gives you all that and more for free - or for $3.00 per month (by your metric) if you buy the distro to support its continued development/maintenance.
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I say Lunix to make fanboys angry
Why would misspelling a word make anyone but grammar fanboys angry?
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Re:I just tried KDE 4.1 (Score:5, Interesting)
The big change came with KDE 4.2. Things really became very smooth and fast and rock solid. If you are planning to upgrade to jaunty, I would definitely recommend trying it. (If I remember correctly, there is also a way to run 4.2 on kubuntu 8.10 -- I think I did this for a while.)
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4.2 is a grea release: its a good upgrade from 3.5 (Score:3, Interesting)
When 4.1 came out I was fairly happy with the stability, a lot of little issues (things like the tas
Re:I just tried KDE 4.1 (Score:5, Informative)
4.1 isn't even close to 4.2. You might as well compare a beta to a release version (think of it this way - 4.0 was the tech preview, incomplete and buggy but with APIs in place. 4.1 is the beta - many of the features but not all, and still buggy. 4.2 is release, with bugs fixed and features in place).
You'd think that talking about 4.1 in an article about 4.2.4 would be obviously absurd, but apparently not...
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4.1 isn't even close to 4.2. You might as well compare a beta to a release version (think of it this way - 4.0 was the tech preview, incomplete and buggy but with APIs in place. 4.1 is the beta - many of the features but not all, and still buggy. 4.2 is release, with bugs fixed and features in place). You'd think that talking about 4.1 in an article about 4.2.4 would be obviously absurd, but apparently not...
It's a real shame there is no way to label software releases as "tech previews", "release candidates", or "betas". Oh well, I guess we'll just have to stick with generic number releases and let users find out what they've installed after the fact.
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AmaroK (a KDE audio player) made some questionable UI design decisions in the recent versions. I sometimes worry that with the goal of making Linux "easy for my grandmother to use", the actual users are left behind.
There will always be good software available. If Ubuntu swallows the Linux world, people that want something different can install BSD or opensolaris.
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GNOME isn't "throwing it's current GUI paradigm out of the window for 3.x"; the slogan is "GNOME 3.0 = GNOME 2.30"; that is, more of an incremental improvement than a radical change. Indeed, the big target for GNOME 3.0 seems to be cleaning up the use of various deprecated parts of the API (like the bonobo component system). GNOME Shell, from your youtube link, is an interesting integration of the window manager and the window switcher, but I don't know that it counts as a completely new GUI paradigm.
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Sorry KDE Guys.
After 3 try (4.0. 4.1 4.2) I still not be able to work with dual monitors.
How is that KDE's fault? Try getting a better supported (ie intel, sadly) graphics card. Then multi monitor setups work beautifully.