The Mozilla 1.0 Definition

The Evil Beaver writes: "Here we go. Mozillazine is reporting that Brenden Eich, mozilla.org's Technical Bigshot, has released the criteria to what is to be the 1.0 milestone. The 'manifesto' also explains why 1.0 is so important to reach, and why it isn't just another milestone, either. The Mozillazine article is here and the definition document here.

But....

[sheriff_p]

Where's the "World Domination" item?

Ha!

[Iron_MMonkey]

No lizard shall ever defeat the Iron_MMonkey!

/. effect or a conspiracy?

[Hektor_Troy]

Could it be, that what we're seeing isn't the infamous slashdot-effect, but in fact a conspiracy preventing anyone not using the latest build of Mozilla on the latest build of the linux-kernel from entering the page?

Re:It'll still suck

[Anonymous Coward]

Why? You know why... given MS' track record, the odds are on it only being a matter of time before another Nimda-type program takes advantage of some gaping hole in IE6 and then I get to try to explain virus removal procedures to my Dad over the phone. Again.

No thanks. I'll use Opera until Mozilla is at 1.0 stable.

Wow, this definition document is amazing..

[brunes69]

"Unable to connect to SQL server"

Is this some new HTSQL standard being reffered to here? WOw, I didn't know they were working on making a XUL Query tool, thoug it wouldn't surprise me...

:o)

Manifesto

[Root Down]

... but will the workers control the means of production?

(The question is more important than it might initially seem.)

Polish?

[cybaea]

I love Poland but is it really essential to fix the Polish language bugs [mozilla.org] for a 1.0 release? Aren't there more important priorities? Isn't 1.0 about a stable API (and product!) and such, and if so, couldn't fixing spelling mistakes in the Polish language pack wait until 1.0.1 or something?

The document outlines some really good principles for managing software, but this entry confuses it for me. Any Polish people here to explain why it is critical? :-)

Now I can put mozilla-developer on my resume

[Odinson]

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100309 [mozilla.org]

Hey, all the team needs to do is ask.

at the bottom of the buglist

[zerocool^]

At the bottom of the buglist we see Bug #100309 [mozilla.org]

Description:
Opened: 2001-09-18 08:55

we need preparation as well as a good place to have the biggest & coolest party
ever!

that's a good bug to have

~z

Re:1.0 is symbolic, not artifical

[Anonymous Coward]

Especially on Windows. The Windows world is not the *nix world. People don't wait for the .1 or .2 release, they expect the .0 releases to work as they should.

You sure that you don't have Windows and *nix mixed up there?

Re:Manifesto

[ethereal]

For once, entirely apropos:

"When you program open source, you're programming COMMUNISM [mdcc.cx]."

Starkly fantastic name

[Syberghost]

Brendan of the Eich. Clearly a highly-ranked Boskonian.

Loved the implied Slashdot threat

[Anonymous Coward]

Can you stare down slashdot and C|net together and at the same time, and argue credibly that the bug is a 1.0 stop-ship problem?

Wow! We do have some power!

Snipers form committee to decide where to shoot..

[cheesyfru]

This just in: Terrorist Osama bin Laden has been spotted near the Pakistan border by a team of U.S. snipers. They are currently in the process of forming a committee to decide where they should shoot the bullet to assinate Mr. bin Laden, in an operation being called "Shot of Freedom v1.0". Sgt. Mark Hawthorne, who is quickly emerging as the lead of this committee, added "we need to make sure we do this right -- we only get one shot at him, and we need to make sure we do it the best we can. Plus, we want to make sure we get the reward for killing him; there's another troop in the area with bigger and better guns, and we can't let them get to him first!" They estimate this operation will be completed somewhere around Q4 in 2002, although this assumes that the target will stay relatively still.

Re:Its not a game you know..

[HamNRye]

(Our scene opens in a conference room at the W3C standards meetings. Reps from Microsoft (Ms) and Netscape (NS) are in attendance.)

Ms Guy: We ned colored scrollbars in the standard.

NS Guy: But we need themes... We don't force folks to use our boring scrollbars.

Ms Guy: Yeah, but we force 90% of the world to use boring scrollbars, it should be in the standard.

NS Guy: Jerk.

Ms Guy: Hey, like it or not, IE 5.5 will support colored scrollbars, and you'll implement them eventually because you have to, standard or not.

NS Guy: Like hell.... We still haven't implemented the marquee tag. Or page transitions.

Ms Guy: Wow, people actually use your piece of crap???

NS Guy: Look here Monopoly boy, if you've ever read Slashdot you know these people want to be reading ASCII in Lynx. You can tempt them with your "eye-candy" and "formatting", but if it ain't Courier New, it just plain blew.

Ms Guy: Yeah, whatever, Nutscrape. Aren't you glad we don't make IE for Linux?

_END_

The sad fact of it is that Microsoft can and will set the standards for a while now. It didn't occur to me until 2 days ago that colored scrollbars are not supported. Not that it makes that big of a deal, but it can help the look of your pages if you use alot of inline frames.

Microsoft already sets the font standards. (Because it's what you can expect to be on the client machine)

Netscape has to go out and do everything MS can do, and then some. Linux has to do everything Windows can do and then some.

When MSIE 1.0 came out.... But they caught up. Then they did everything Netscape could do, then they did more.

P.S. Mozilla still takes too damn long to load up.

~Hammy
http://www.nothing4sale.org

Re:at the bottom of the buglist

[kchayer]

At the bottom of the buglist we see Bug #100309 [mozilla.org]

we need preparation as well as a good place to have the biggest & coolest party ever!

These two Slashdot-related bugs amuse me:

Bug #68974 [mozilla.org]

Description:
Mozilla 0.8 cannot be released until Slashdot is ready

Bug #73658 [mozilla.org]

Description:
No Slashdot story for Mozilla 0.8.1 release

It seems like there was another more recent one about not being able to release 0.9.something until Slashdot was ready and working properly, but i can't seem to find it... Maybe it was just the 0.8 one above.

about your sig

[Hektor_Troy]

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Is this why /. is so "powerful"?