Mozilla 0.9.7 Released! 436
Chezypewf writes: "The newest release from the Mozilla Dev team is out. This milestone features basic S/MIME support, favicon support and the Document Inspector, a tool to inspect and edit the live DOM of any web document or XUL application. You can grab it here: http://www.mozilla.org/releases "
Re:Freeze that Jelly (Score:3, Interesting)
0.9.7 has new pop-up-stopper UI -- (Score:5, Interesting)
Can you guess which one stops pop-ups?
Would a usability [bohmann.dk] expert [useit.com] know what half these prefs mean?
Good job on the prefs, Moz-team, but please, hire Jakob Nielsen before 1.0 ships.
1st actual release on ideal release day! (Score:2, Interesting)
If you take a look at the mozilla development roadmap [mozilla.org], you'll believe me. Don't blame me for another exact release you see (0.9.5), 'cause
Anyway, the mozilla dev team have made a great work in a great manner, for many this could be a cool gift for the season. Thank you, and have a nice vacation everybody.
Re:Mozilla obsolete (Score:0, Interesting)
If I can't look at a site in Mozilla or another popular W3C standards compliant browser, I quickly lose interest in what that site has to offer.
Re:REALITY CHECK TIME (Score:3, Interesting)
Stable, Documented API (Score:5, Interesting)
The original vision is still critical, and I want to see more projects like the fantastic pubmed [mozdev.org]. These things are going to be what really kicks mozilla in to high gear. I really believe that third party stuff like this will make mozilla worth having.
1.0 is all about stability. The browser itself is certainly stable enough to go 1.0. You can add the UI enhancements for 1.1, but make the core solid so people have the platform. Then we'll start to get the plugins that we so desperately need too.
A Question About Mozilla (Score:2, Interesting)
I visit a lot of Cyrillic sites, and the header of the window that is encoded in cyrillic is always shown as a set of question marks. Even worse, when I bookmark such a site, the letters in Bookmarks are not shown as cyrillic but as additional latin symbols (the same way as if a cyrillic page is shown in Western encoding).
Is it Mozilla or just silly me?
Re:favicon (Score:2, Interesting)
Funny... I actually find them useful... recognizing an image is much faster than reading text. *shrugs*
Need to make Microsoft support more standards (Score:4, Interesting)
If there is one thing I'd like to see improved in the next release of IE it's CSS selector support. CSS Selectors level 3 is basically finished, Mozilla supports most level 2 selectors, and yet IE6 trails with very limited support. Yes, you can select an element that is within another element (descendant selectors) but IE6 lacks support for a huge array of other selectors such as child, sibling and selectors based on attribute value(s).
This selectors point may seem very trivial to web authors used to writing for IE because they merely give an element a class and write a new rule for it. But that bloats the HTML/XML significantly, and can give the programmer a headache, not forgetting the problems of handling inheritance propeties.
With CSS2 selectors, I can say, td[class ~= "body"] > p:first-child { font-weight: bolder; } and have the first paragraph child of a table cell who's class attribute contains a value "body" go bolder. I can't do that in IE6 as effectively.
C'mon Microsoft, you helped create the selectors standard, now let's see you implement it!
Re:Well go ahead, got any better ideas? (Score:4, Interesting)
Its always been relatively trivial to do that, I showed that more than a year ago and I know some have implemented similar techniques to prevent any window opening under any circumstances and show the link in the existing window.
The problem with the wording is not that its inaccurate, its entirely accurate. The problem is that the user is searching for something to stop windows opening and so naturally grabs at whatever seems reasonable. After that assumption is made they are going to be satisfied 80% of the time but consider the actual behaviour a bug because windows can still be opened.
Simon
Edit boxes in mozilla (esp. MailNews) (Score:3, Interesting)
I tried looking for it in bugzilla but couldn't spot it - I suspect I'm probably searching for the wrong thing though. Maybe it's something wrong with my setup?
Apart from that, it's all coming along rather well and I use it as my main browser and mail client on my primary work machine. The only real thing left from my point of view is to trim down on the memory leakage (eg try switching between IMAP folders with the welcome page visible in the preview pane and watch Moz chew another 30-50k).
Re:Mozilla is faster than IE6 now (Score:2, Interesting)
Excuse me? A spell checker? It's a browser. Say it slowly. BROWSER. What are you, a grammar nazi, spell-checking everyone's webpages now?
Re:*drooling over this feature* (Score:3, Interesting)
native widgets? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is there a partial adoption of native widgets in progress? Bug 112980 [mozilla.org] seems to imply so but details are scanty. The bug does not even have a description, only a title and comments.
If the Mozilla team has finally caught on to the importance of respecting platform UI standards, though, hats off to them.
Tim
Re:Freeze that Jelly (Score:2, Interesting)
Take for example i386 machine instruction set. It is a disaster but a frozen one. RISC is much better but because i386 is frozen it lives. Mozilla will be the RISC of browsers forever if it won't freeze. Or at least make a 'stable' 1.0 release we all work on bug squashing in while they work towards 2.0. Maybe that is already their plan I hope so.
I wish... (Score:2, Interesting)
>>> spam = "asdf"
>>> 1 + 2
3
>>>
looks more like this...
||| spam = "asdf"
||| 1 + 2
3
|||
Except with really ugly gray vertical lines. This really needs to be an option to turn off. I haven't been able to find the setting in the options, however.
Re:Mozilla isnt slow, XUL is slow (Score:2, Interesting)
However, when I build with optimizations up the wazoo, and no debug code, it's actually quite snappy. My
ac_add_options --disable-tests
ac_add_options --disable-ldap
ac_add_options --disable-mailnews
ac_add_options --disable-debug
ac_add_options --enable-optimize=\
"-O2 -march=i686 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops"
ac_add_options --without-system-nspr
ac_add_options --without-system-zlib
ac_add_options --without-system-jpeg
ac_add_options --without-system-png
ac_add_options --without-system-mng
ac_add_options --enable-crypto
ac_add_options --enable-strip
ac_add_options --enable-strip-libs
The only thing that -O3 adds over -O2 in gcc is inlining of functions. That seems to cause segfaults at startup in the resulting binary. Of course -march=i686 is specific to Pentium II's and higher.