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Gnome 2.0 Beta 2 Released 238

plastercast writes: "Following the release of GTK2, the second beta of gnome 2.0 is available. There are also release notes here. From Gnotices: 'The GNOME 2.0 Desktop is a greatly improved user environment for existing GNOME applications. Enhancements include anti-aliased text and first class internationalisation support, new accessibility features for disabled users, and many improvements throughout GNOME's highly regarded user interface.'"
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Gnome 2.0 Beta 2 Released

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  • by flacco ( 324089 ) on Sunday March 10, 2002 @04:57PM (#3139088)
    Fact: Linux is not, and never will be, ready for the desktop.

    Clue 1: Linux IS ready for the desktop.
    Clue 2: You cannot predict the future.

    Myth: Open-source is a viable business strategy.
    Fact: No it isn't. [yahoo.com]

    Clue 1: Open source is a development model, not a business anything.
    Clue 2: Citing a company's stock performance is pretty much entirely irrelevant to open source.
    Clue 3: Allow me to cite a stock: Microsoft. Huge stock value, huge bank accounts. You know whose money that used to be? Software USERS' money. Open source is first and foremost good for software USERS - including companies who are not in the business of selling software. You know it. I know it. Microsoft knows it. They're scared shitless.

    Myth: Slashdot is a nice place to go for intelligent conversation about technology and political issues.
    Fact: Slashdot is full of 14 year-old fanboys who toe the party line for the "approval" of people they will never meet and fascist Janitors who resort to low minded trickery and censorship to further their narrow world-view and agenda. If you want to read posts that are Insightful and Funny, read at -1.

    Both the myth and fact have elements of truth. And please continue to piss off the 14-year-olds. After all, they're the decision-makers and software customers of the future, and a healthy ingrained dislike for Microsoft toadies inculcated at an early age can only be good.

    Myth: Information wants to be free.
    Fact: Musicians want to be paid.

    Clue 1: Musicians want to be paid
    Clue 2: ...almost as much as I want non-crippled consumer electronics that don't assume I'm a thieving scumbag.

    Myth: Constantly putting down popular music and culture shows your uber-intelligence and good taste.
    Fact: Constantly putting down popular music and culture shows you are a stuck-up fuckwit with no friends.

    Clue 1: Popular music and popular culture are a sickly green phlem whose only two purposes are 1) to stick to and remove money from the purses and wallets of naive prepubescent idiots and no-nothing wage-slaves who labor only to enrich their nakedly contempuous corporate masters, and 2) make the veins on my forehead throb as I ponder the worth of continuing to live.
    Clue 2: I'm a stuck-up fuckwit with no friends.

    Myth: The government is taking away our rights. WAAAAH!!
    Fact: While you're busy complaining and stuffing your fat face with pork rinds and cheese puffs, the government is busy keeping you, and the American way of life, safe from harm.

    Another misuse of the either-or proposition. They're both true - paradoxical.

    Myth: Libertarianism is a good solution to our problems.
    Fact: Libertarianism would result in a worse country than the USSR, with political and economic instability, horrific human rights violations, and exploitation of workers of a scale not seen since slavery was outlawed.

    Libertarianism is good because it strives to control the concentration of power in goverment. It sucks because it does nothing to control the power of wealth.

    Myth: Microsoft is an evil monopoly bent on world domination.

    Yes they are, just like any corporation, whose only reason for existence is to enrich its shareholders. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but let's recognize and admit the obvious.

    Fact: Microsoft is a software company based in Redmond, WA,

    Well, you got that right.

    that produces fine software

    Depending on which definition of the word "fine" you're using, I could agree or disagree with you.

    and believes that programmers should get paid for their work.

    Well, I'm all for getting paid. I'd just rather get paid to write software that is open, standards-compliant, and is friendly with other open standards-compliant software. Microsoft, on the other hand, does absolutely everything in its power to make choosing Microsoft software a one-way proposition. Basically it's a big Labrea Tarpit-like Roach Motel for unsuspecting software developers and users - you can check in, but you can't check out.

    Have I missed any?

    Well, you were all over the map with sporadic accuracy and no real focus aside from your own personal frustrations and feelings of inadequacy, so it's kind of hard to say.

  • by phyxeld ( 558628 ) <phyxNO@SPAMlostinthenoise.net> on Sunday March 10, 2002 @05:14PM (#3139158) Journal
    I want to have a nice looking, easy to use desktop. With a nice file manager, good web browser, extensive control panel, something that rivals windows.

    Considered Mac OS X?
  • clearance (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 10, 2002 @05:20PM (#3139183)
    one point that piss me off all the time. GNOME DOES NOT ANTI-ALIASING FONTS. so please stop telling people who asks 'whats new in gnome 2' that it supports 'AA'. its not true. GTK supports AA so gnome 2 profits from it. so please stop telling people that gnome 2 is the inventor of this stuff its basically not true and shouldnt be spread as this in the public.

    true is that gnome 2 is basically a major rewrite of gnome 1 with a FEW visible replacements and a shitload of removed options. a speeded up nautilus that still doesnt operate correctly. THATS it and if you ask for screenshots now and you use gnome 1 then look on your desktop since its the same ugly shit you get with gnome 2.

    only major annoying news is this implementation of a windows registry like system that pollutes your homedir with 1000000 directories and 1000000 *.xml files.

    another news is that SUN investigates into that pile of shit to substitute their CDE with a more or less broken DE.

  • by Arandir ( 19206 ) on Sunday March 10, 2002 @05:33PM (#3139241) Homepage Journal
    I did an informal test a while back. At work I have a Win2K machine (PIV 1.4Ghz) which I converted to a dual boot FreeBSD machine. Having to reboot into Windows on occasion caused me no end of aggravation, one of which was the sucky speed. So I started timing stuff.

    From power on to IExplorer showing my homepage, Win2K takes 90 seconds. From power on to Konqueror showing my homepage, FreeBSD/KDE takes 65 seconds.

    I don't want the simplest windows manager available so I can get similar performace to XP running on the same hardware.

    I've never used XP, but the window manager for 95/98/2K sucks! It is the simplest window manager available! Maybe I've just gotten used to X window manager, but I find the Windows GUI to be horribly awkward. If you have a window obscuring another one, you have to minimize it because there's no way to send it to the back (that I've found). There's no snap to edges or other windows. No rollups. No vertical or horizontal maximizes. And the automatic placement of windows is downright primitive. Frankly, it feels like it designed for users that only have one window open at a time.
  • by NavelFozz ( 33778 ) on Sunday March 10, 2002 @05:33PM (#3139243) Homepage Journal
    "Q. How do I use anti-aliased fonts?
    A. Set the GDK_USE_XFT environment variable. eg.: export GDK_USE_XFT=1"

    and in windows I just click this button here...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 10, 2002 @05:50PM (#3139366)
    because they are swedish. the swedes are launching an invasion to achieve global domination of the high tech industry.
  • by fader ( 107759 ) <fader@[ ]pop.com ['hot' in gap]> on Sunday March 10, 2002 @06:15PM (#3139487) Homepage
    all the Gnome1 programs will of course still work as usual

    So they claim. :( I've used that channel twice now. Twice it's hosed my entire GNOME install and I've had to uninstall everything and go back to the original RPMs from my install CDs. (On a RedHat 7.2 install.)

    The last time it hosed some system libraries somewhere in the process, and half my applications wouldn't run. (Anything using Python or Perl, apparently... plus X was very... flaky.)

    My advice would be to only use the Red-Carpet snapshots on a machine you're willing to lose.
  • Not yet... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by salimma ( 115327 ) on Sunday March 10, 2002 @07:24PM (#3139807) Homepage Journal
    GARNOME has not been updated for the beta 2 release, but you can download the latest GARNOME (0.7.5) for the 20020225 snapshot and manually change the version info for the latest packages and their checksums, and then it will work just as normal :)

    HTH,

    Michel Salim
  • by bonch ( 38532 ) on Sunday March 10, 2002 @07:49PM (#3139911)
    That's all true, but I had always appreciated the "selling point" that Linux and its respective apps didn't necessarily require the latest hardware specs to run--they were supposed to be efficient and speedy enough to get the job done on lower-end hardware.

    By the way, I'm running Windows XP as I type this--with full effects, visual styles, etc.--and it is smoother and faster than KDE. Windows XP actually runs faster than Windows 98 did on this same hardware configuration, so I don't agree with the argument that KDE/GNOME should generally be run on the hardware of the current time, because if that's true, does that mean Windows XP is more optimized since it runs better on older hardware?

    It's not as though I'm doing anything particularly processor-intensive. If it takes 10 seconds for KDE to load up a listing of my home directory--even on my PII266--there's a problem, IMO. :)
  • by WhyCause ( 179039 ) on Monday March 11, 2002 @07:39AM (#3141912)
    Either way, keep the competition going, choice is a great thing, hell, lets get a third project started here!

    There already is one. It's called Enlightenment [enlightenment.org]. That's the new one I'm waitin' for.

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