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Cat Recognition Algorithms? 430

skunkeh writes "So your cat keeps bringing dead (or half dead) animals in to your house. What do you do? Obviously, you set up a digital camera to monitor the cat door and lock her out if she has something in her mouth..."
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Cat Recognition Algorithms?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 24, 2002 @05:00PM (#3217044)
    > But practically speaking, why not just get up and let the cat in?

    The whole point is to *not* let the cat in if the cat's brought home a little ..present.. for you.
  • by augros ( 513862 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @05:10PM (#3217093)
    i'm interested in whether this will have deterring value. will the cat eventually give up bringing rodents in? or come in less? the pictures of the skunk and bird are a riot; it's like caller ID for animals!
  • by RyanFenton ( 230700 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @05:19PM (#3217129)
    Actually, my family owns a small pet store. Cats CAN be trained in a sense. Much like squirrels, they learn how to get resources in the most direct manner possible through trial and error. They don't want a "treat" or to please their owner, they want to master their environment for themselves. So, when presented with a annoying door lock, instead of giving up their prey, they can recognize the signs that the door is unlocked (by sound), and also recognize what causes this response (nothing in mouth). It's not training in terms of what the owner wants, but it is training nonetheless.

    :^)

    Ryan Fenton
  • by dbc ( 135354 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @05:22PM (#3217136)
    I grant that this is very clever, and gets many tech cool points. However...


    Mother cats teach their young to hunt, first by bringing dead animals to the nest, then not-quite-dead animals, and finally injured but fairly lively prey. When the youngters can dispatch a wiggling dinner, they are ready to go on a hunt. What cats are doing when they bring dead or nearly-dead animals to the house is they are trying to teach the slow-witted and lazy humans that they live with to hunt!! We just don't get it.


    Never has a cat had a student more resistant to instruction.

  • by seinethinker ( 129155 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @05:37PM (#3217189) Homepage Journal
    As a scientist by heart, this is a very interesting and crafty experiment. Of course it works off the findings of Pavlov's Conditioning.

    You are conditioning the cat to either (1) drop the dead animal if it wishes to come inside or (2) remain outdoors.

    As a animal lover, it bothers me should this actually be put to use as a consistant system. Whether humans understand or not, animals are far more intelligent than we think. The behavior of animals is quite instinctual and what would be the circumstances if we were to change their modes of thinking. Would it be possible by to ascertain that one of the following things might happen from this experiment:

    (1) Cat runs away as it instinctually cannot assert its confidence. Much comparison has been made between dogs and cats. Cats seem predestined to take a singluar, individualistic, confident role in the food chain compared to dogs that rely on a class of relationship or borg mentality. Well dogs aren't completely borg but they seek out affection more out of insecurity and reassurance than cats.

    (2) cat becomes feral or wild due to lack of fealty and companionship toward owner.

    Cats aren't complete loners, ya' know.

    Just some thoughts to cast out for conversation.

    Ciao!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 24, 2002 @05:46PM (#3217212)
    Except for the fact that according to that log, Ellipse has not entered the house since at least Feb 23. (that's as far back as I bothered to browse) Specifically note Feb 26 and Mar 4, where Squirrel enters the house, then magically transports himself back outside and enters again.
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  • by khuber ( 5664 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @06:06PM (#3217272)
    from web page:
    "We consider any image to be a collection of a finite number of discrete features. This is a novel approach to images - until now they were always thought of as continuous."

    That's bullshit. Breaking down images into features is what nearly everybody in image analysis and recognition does. Look at the Matrox Genesis boards, current papers, books, and so on.

    further on:

    "If we can fully describe an image as a discrete collection of features, we can easily solve the image recognition problem"

    Err, maybe their approach works under some conditions for one instance of image -analysis- (a different problem than recognition!). It looks like they can differentiate between two cats, so they have an approach for a relatively simple recognition problem too.

    If they solved either "The Image Analysis Problem" or "The Image Recognition Problem" they'd be quickly famous and wealthy. These problems are notoriously difficult to solve even under extremely well controlled conditions. Their comments about image based content retrieval requiring so many operations is likewise untrue - making it ever more efficient and accurate is a popular research area.

    Maybe I'm being anal, but I know enough about the subject to know what a load of hooey the "theory" page is.

    -Kevin

  • by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @06:24PM (#3217336) Homepage Journal
    My friend had a problem with his neighbor cats having a competition to see who could leave their scent on the door. To stop this, he rigged up an eletric fence charger to the door. I never actually saw it, but his description was along the lines of placing two leads up on the door. The cat pee would complete the circuit, and he'd get a 1 second long shock. It's not a continual shock, just enough to make your weiner shout "ACK! WTF??".

    He noticed a difference within a day, but it took about 2 weeks for the message to get across.

    The fence charger is gone now, but his door is bone dry heh. (Well not really, he's in Portland, rains alot here...)

    I have a feeling that if cats couldn't get through the door carrying rodents, they'd learn they can't go inside with them. I've personally witnessed cat behaviour modification hehe. My stepmom had a cat that wasn't allowed in the bedroom. So the cat wouldn't go in the bedroom, she'd avoid it. We're pretty sure, though, that she only followed that rule when everybody was home, though heh.
  • by MsWillow ( 17812 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @06:28PM (#3217347) Homepage Journal
    Ny sister had a cat who ficured out how to open the fridge. One thanksgiving, after everything was put away and she and her husband were in bed, they awoke to hear a terrible loud crash from downstairs. When John turned on the light, cats scattered from the turkey carcass - all but the one who opened the door. Sluggo wasn't leaving till he'd eaten his fill :)

    She has since learned to wedge a diningroom chair so as to keep the door from being opened. She still has to do this, many years after Sluggo passed on, because he taught the other cats how.

    Cats are much smarter than people think. Sluggo would have laughed at this feeble attempt to constrain him :)
  • by w3woody ( 44457 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @06:32PM (#3217355) Homepage
    So it'd be a high-end product for cats. But I know quite a few cat owners who would be estatic to be able to fork out a few hundred bucks for a cat door which would unlock only for their cat, and only if their cat wasn't bringing in any "presents."
  • by RedWizzard ( 192002 ) on Sunday March 24, 2002 @06:40PM (#3217382)
    What cats are doing when they bring dead or nearly-dead animals to the house is they are trying to teach the slow-witted and lazy humans that they live with to hunt!!
    I think it's the other way round - most cats see us as the parents, especially if they've been raised from kittens. When they bring live animals to you they are looking for recognition that they are hunting properly. Apparently if you make a point of playing with the prey for a while they stop doing it.
  • by HRbnjR ( 12398 ) <chris@hubick.com> on Sunday March 24, 2002 @07:41PM (#3217683) Homepage
    And I can one up you as well.

    My cat used to do the same thing, to get outside, only stitting on the large deep freeze next to the back door. It would sit on the deepfreeze with it's paw on the knob, and pat at it when someone would walk by.

    The good part was getting back in. It used to sit on the wood pile next to the steps at the back. Naturally, sitting there it would see friends come over and ring the door bell, and we would let them in. It didn't take very long before it learned to ring the door bell to get into the house too!
  • This reminds me of the time I tried to prevent the cat from catching birds and stuff by putting a bell around his neck. The result: a faster and quieter hunter. Instead of alerting the birds about the cat, the cat would just find sneaker ways to pounce on his victim and not set off the bell around his neck (until it was too late for the bird anyway).

    Moral of the story: Give a cat a challenge, and s/he'll regard it as a challenge to solve.

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