Mozilla 1.0 Release Parties

Screaming Lunatic writes "With the release of Mozilla 1.0 almost here, the open source Mozilla community is planning a bunch of parties all over the world. You can choose to attend a party already planned somewhere in the world or start up a party in your own neck of the woods. The main party will be at 8pm Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at the DNA Lounge in San Francisco." Currently 37 parties listed, but many of them look awfully lonely... none near Ann Arbor yet ;)

Re:Is this appropriate?

[hellfire]

Yes, Mozilla succeeded despite JWZ.

And now they are going to his lounge, partying hard, celebrate success right in front of him, and throw the whole project in his face.

Its very appropriate! ;)

Re:Well,

[Fiver-rah]

Let's say, hypothetically, that I were a girl. This is easy for me, since I am. And let's also say that I liked mozilla and linux and was relatively rabid about open source. Which is also easy, because all that's true, too. Now, when the first thing people do when talking about some open source party is grouse about how there's gonna be no gurls there, and if there are, they'll all be UG-LY, it doesn't really make me want to go hang out with them.

This is probably going to come as a shock to some of you, but there are girls out there who run linux [gentoo.org] and like mozilla.

Now, it seems to me that if you're going to all spend your time whining and moaning about how there's no gurls to be found except ugly apes (and even if there were, they'd wreck everything, 'cause they have the cooties), you're going to annoy those of us that are smart, geeky, and reasonably pretty. This creates a self-fulfilling prophecy: you whine; we avoid you.

Now I can't speak for all the other myriad geeky girls our there, but I don't want a guy who's going to:

• Drool over me 'cause I'm pretty, plus I run gentoo
• Act like I'm a horrible aberration, rather than realize that I'm really a harbinger of Droves of Geek Girls To Come.

Seriously people, if you want women to go to your parties, don't alienate them. I know there's not many of us right now, but if you play nice, maybe we'll bring friends, and maybe in another twenty years slashdot will be more like 60/40 instead of 95/5.

Sorry for the rant, but this is only about the billionth time I've seen this particular whine on slashdot. This isn't directed specifically at the original poster, or even anyone who voiced these sentiments on this particular thread. I know it's not everyone, and not even most of everyone, but for those of you who haven't yet figured it out: girls don't like boys who whine about not having girls.

Oh, and I'll probably be at the SF party. :)

Re:Irony...

[rnb]

Yep, JWZ threw a hissyfit and declared the whole thing dead. AOL had bought it and would drive it into the ground. Has he posted a retraction yet, or is he the typical arrogant full-of-shit geek?

Sounds to me like he had his own reasons for leaving the project and stands by them:

I even manage to studiously ignore the messages I see every time mozilla.org announces a new alpha release: invariably some twinkie will pop up out of nowhere and claim that the fact that mozilla.org is asymptotically closer to maybe someday actually releasing an end-user product means that somehow I've been proven wrong about something. They usually say something about ``this ought to teach jwz a lesson!'' I just don't get that. My point was not that mozilla.org would never be able to finish the product: my point was that they were already a year late, and showed every indication of being even later. Which they have been: it's now more than two years later, and they still haven't finished it. Even if they had finished it six months ago, my reasons for leaving would still have been valid: that mozilla.org did not manage to ship an end-user product in any kind of reasonable timeframe, and that I was tired of waiting. I had certain goals, and I didn't see those goals being met.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[Caine]

First of all, see the comment [slashdot.org] above.

Second of all, JWZ may be an arrogant prick at times, but I'm highly doubtful that Mozilla would exist without him. He's a very fine coder, and put a lot of work into it. I can understand if he gets pissed off at Netscape and AOL, when they don't listen to the coders, and hires new people that really aren't that good and just throw them in with the old team.

Re:Thank you Fiver-rah

[StandardDeviant]

Thanks. Now my nose hurtz becuase of the hot coffee... ;-) Anyway, in response to your original post: I think the guy you responded to was just throwing that out as a tongue-in-cheek joke. Cheap and stupid joke, perhaps, but... Another point: who says drooling is bad, provided it's done with class? Hell, I know I'm immensely flattered when a member of the appropriate sex has their hormones sing at the sight of me... (Note, obviously, I don't mean talking to the woman's chest or something equally crass.) I think it's wrong to be a slavering hound, in other words, but I think perhaps it's taken to far in the opposite direction sometimes, and any admittance of attraction is seen as crude... Dragging this post back somewhat to the realm of topicality... w00w00 mozilla! :-) I think I'm going to make either the Houston or Austin one... (/me checks the server maintenance schedule, shakes his head, and crosses his fingers...)

Re:Is this appropriate?

[marick]

Mozilla succeeded despite JWZ.

ON THE OTHER HAND, Mozilla succeeded because of JWZ. First, without JWZ pushing hard at the beginning, Mozilla would never have been released in the first place.

Furthermore, JWZ's high-profile exit had one major effect on Mozilla. It galvanized the community. I'm sure I'm not alone in seeing it as a highly-effective kick-in-the-pants that the community sorely needed.

Jamie got tired of waiting. I did too, to be honest. But then when he left the project, he had a point. The community hadn't yet formed around the project. Most of the bug-reports, bug-fixes, and code were being written BY NETSCAPE employees. Not members of the community. Months after Jamie's departure, things had changed for the better, but in the year just before, Jamie was right.

Re:Is this appropriate?

[Lemmy Caution]

You don't understand JWZ's attitude towards Mozilla. He'd still rather it succeed than fail; he wants to run it on the kiosks at the DNA. He was frustrated with the mozilla project and left it, but that's a far cry from hoping it will fail. Of course, anything that has shades of gray more complex than a George Lucas movie is beyond the ken of many.