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Mozilla 1.0 Officially Here 961

Posted by CmdrTaco
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hhg writes "People of the world, rejoice! At last, the long awaited Mozilla 1.0 is released, and has emerged on the ftp.mozilla.org ftp-server. Let the release parties loose!" And there's even an Ann Arbor party now ;) Congratulations to all the developers that contributed to the mighty lizard. And bahtama writes "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out! :) ... Check the release notes and then grab it from here."
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Mozilla 1.0 Officially Here

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  • For they're all jolly good fellows, For they're all jolly good fellows, For they're all jolly good fellows ..... And so say all of us!
  • mozillazine (Score:5, Informative)

    by cetan (61150) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:18PM (#3646100) Journal
    http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article2278.ht ml [mozillazine.org] pretty much says it all :)

    Congrats to all the hackers on the moz project. Fantastic job and well worth the wait.
  • Which IE, the OS bound IE
    Ding dong, the wicked browser's dead!

    It knew when you were sleeping
    It let the virii in
    And tried to blame it on other apps
    But now we know it's Spring

    Ding dong, IE is dead!
    Which IE, Microserf IE
    Ding dong, the wicked browser's dead!

    [noone expects a thousand munchkins to defeat a wicked witch, but you just need a minor event or two ...]
    -
  • by Dimwit (36756) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:19PM (#3646127)
    ...of course, I'll use that new transfer protocol - TCP/IP over Flying Pigs.

    ...but I'll have to bundle up - my office just froze over.

    ..and maybe I won't have time - I think an attractive girl just mentioned that she may want to talk to me.
  • what next? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:19PM (#3646133)
    First amazon.com had a profitable quarter.

    Next, Slashdot sold out (Again)

    Then, mozilla was released.

    Coming up Warcraft III and Duke Nukem forever released.
    • by rnws (554280)
      Heaven forbid, Microsoft might even release a bug-free version of Windows. Then again Hell could freeze over...
  • by AndSoitGoes (473305) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:20PM (#3646139)
    Now that they have hit 1.0 are versions
    without talkback going to be availible.

    Have they or will they remove debug information?

    The pacakage is still ~10megs for windows. I was
    hoping to see some reduction for 1.0 since I
    still use a lowly 56K Modem.
    • by thesolo (131008) <slap@fighttheriaa.org> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:43PM (#3646385) Homepage
      Now that they have hit 1.0 are versions without talkback going to be availible.

      Most likely not, talkback helps them debug!

      Have they or will they remove debug information?

      The debug menus have been removed since 1.0RC3

      The pacakage is still ~10megs for windows. I was hoping to see some reduction for 1.0 since I still use a lowly 56K Modem.

      Simple solution, use the Net Installer! [mozilla.org] It is a 200KB download that lets you choose the options you want, and then download them. If you don't want/need Chatzilla or Mail & News, you can install a smaller package.

      As for 10 megs for the full package, that's not big AT ALL! Remember that it comes with Mail & News, an IRC Client, a browser, a WYSIWYG editor, and an address book.
      • by Tackhead (54550) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @02:23PM (#3646717)
        > use the Net Installer! [mozilla.org] It is a 200KB download that lets you choose the options you want, and then download them. If you don't want/need Chatzilla or Mail & News, you can install a smaller package.

        Call me an old fart, but "net installers" (aka stubs) annoy me. (This isn't a Mozilla criticism - IE is just as bad.)

        If I don't want the email/news/chat cruft (and I don't), but I do want the basic browser on 3 systems, why should I download a 200K .exe three times, click on the same options three times, and download the same few-megabytes browser, three times?

        Just gimme a damn URL where I can get the installer that contains everything needed for the basic browser. (That is, tell me where to find the thing the stub's downloading). Then let me download it ONCE. I can then FTP or copy it on my LAN, or even burn it to CD and use SneakerNet to get it to other machines.

        General question: I'm seeing stubs more often, and I just don't get the idea. Apart from marketing ("Look! Upgrade your Netscape! Only 200K download!" - conveniently ignoring that it's only the stub, and thereby obfuscating the size of the real download) purposes, what value is added by these "network installer" stubs?

        In principle, can't it be replaced by a web page with radio buttons that say "do you want your download to include/exclude $FOO, $BAR, $BAZ", and upon clicking "submit", give you a page with the corresponding packages/zips/tarballs/whatevers?

        • by edwdig (47888) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @03:06PM (#3647226)
          Under the directory on the ftp server with the stub, there's an XPI directory which has the packages for the individual components. The install also has an option to save the downloaded files.
        • General question: I'm seeing stubs more often, and I just don't get the idea. Apart from marketing ("Look! Upgrade your Netscape! Only 200K download!" - conveniently ignoring that it's only the stub, and thereby obfuscating the size of the real download) purposes, what value is added by these "network installer" stubs?

          For chrissakes, you are replying to a response [slashdot.org] which clearly exemplifies the main reason stubs are provided -- people on slow connections that don't want to install certain parts of the program! Why should they have to download everything?

          Mozilla provides a complete download as well.

          Sheesh.
  • Its a great browser from what i've seen in RC3. I'm trying to get used to it (i'm so used to opera now). I like the middle click opens in background new tab and the image permission options.
  • The FAA has spotted an unusual number of pigs at high altitude, the devil called me up asking to send him a jacket and gloves, a cow was seen in the night sky above the moon.......
    • "The FAA has spotted an unusual number of pigs at high altitude, the devil called me up asking to send him a jacket and gloves, a cow was seen in the night sky above the moon......."

      And Dilbert got an office with a REAL DOOR. REALLY! I'm not kidding! Look at today's comic [dilbert.com]!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:20PM (#3646154)
    Mirror list is here [mozilla.org]. Please don't slashdot the main FTP site!
  • The March 98' dream, when Netscape announced that Netscape's sources would be released, this dream finally transformed into reality. Many doubted about the calpability of the project to give something valuable, and there was much FUD about the project, but now we have the proof that a big Free Software project such as Mozilla has a sense.

    I've been using Mozilla 0.9.x under Mandrake 8.2 for a while, and when I compare it to Internet Explorer, I have to say Mozilla is simply better. And I have to say, Mozilla-mail is also better than Outlook in many aspects.

    Long live to Mozilla!
    • No way MozillaMail is better than Outlook Express.. at least not yet..

      My migration from OE to Mozilla has been painful. I am sticking to it but I just want to say that things have a lot farther to go to where the email side is as robust as the browsing.
  • by _LORAX_ (4790) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:21PM (#3646159) Homepage
    Cm'on if you have 1.0_rc3 and you are not having problems, please do everyone a favor and DON'T download today...

    Unless you are having problems.. try this weekend after the mirrors have had time to catch up!
  • mirror in sweden (Score:4, Informative)

    by fredan (54788) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:21PM (#3646160) Homepage Journal
    if you wait for a while, I will have the files at ftp.fredan.org/mozilla/ [fredan.org]
  • Ann Arbor Party (Score:2, Interesting)

    by npietraniec (519210)
    Ann Arbor Party [schnitzer.at]... Looks like Taco will be there.
  • by David Gerard (12369) <slashdot@NospAm.davidgerard.co.uk> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:21PM (#3646164) Homepage
    Start page: http://mozilla.org/start/1.0/ [mozilla.org]

    FAQ: http://mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/ [mozilla.org]

    Don't bother looking at these in IE 5.0, its PNG support is rubbish [libpng.org].

  • by benb (100570) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:22PM (#3646172) Homepage Journal
    Beonex also just released the Mozilla 1.0-based browser Beonex Communicator 0.8-stable [beonex.com].

    While the ultimate goal of the Mozilla project is to produce source code that can be used by other projects and companies, the Open-Source project Beonex tries to make a browser for end-users out of it. (See Beonex vs. Mozilla [beonex.com]). Beonex Communicator stays relatively true to Mozilla. Special emphasis is being put on security and privacy. The software is configured defensively, to avoid security holes to appear in the first place. For example, it sanitizes incoming HTML-email to the largest part.

    The current version is available for Windows [beonex.com] und Linux [beonex.com] and bases on the final Mozilla 1.0 source code.

    BTW: Congratulations to the whole Mozilla project!

    Disclaimer: I am a member of the Beonex project.
    I hope, Slashdot will also run this as main news article.

    • by The Pim (140414) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @03:11PM (#3647272)
      While the ultimate goal of the Mozilla project is to produce source code that can be used by other projects and companies, the Open-Source project Beonex tries to make a browser for end-users out of it.

      I don't mean to deprecate your efforts, but I think this "Mozilla isn't about producing an end-user product" idea has always been wishful thinking--and is becoming less plausible every day. Mozilla is clearly destined to become the prominent browser in the free software community and the web development community, and a popular browser among computer users at large.

      I'm not saying it's a bad idea in principle to separate the development of the engine and the finish; I just don't see how it can happen in this case. The core features and the user interface of a browser are not separable enough. In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes going to want it to be a good user interface. The evidence bears this out: users file usability bugs in bugzilla, the developers take them seriously, and as a result, vanilla mozilla has an overall better user interface than any earlier Netscape browser.

      The Mozilla developers seem to agree on the value of a reference user interface, in order to prevent excessive variation in the interfaces of derived products. For example, they insist upon limiting the number of user-configurable variables, which would not make sense if they were only about the basic technologies. In order for their reference interface to be credible, they have to invest resources in usability. The way I see it, the "reference interface" position amounts to a committment to an end-user product, even if they don't realize or admit it.

      On top of this, Mozilla already has all the visibility in the free software and web development communities. If Mozilla refuses to provide an end-user product, it will mostly create user confusion. Mozilla has all the developers. Mozilla has all the infrastructure. It only makes sense for Mozilla to do the last 10% and provide an end-user product. Maybe someday beonix or galeon or someone else will overcome this barrier (just as GTK and QT have finally displaced athena as free widget sets for X), but it will take a long time.

      Of course, in some markets, vanilla Mozilla won't be the king. Among Joe PC, it will a Netscape or AOL branded version. Users of embedded systems will get whatever modified version their manufacturer included. But even the popular computer press reviews Mozilla, so the message that it is not for end-users doesn't seem to have gotten through. And among the slashdot demographic, Mozilla is it. Let's face it: how many of us will download Mozilla 1.0 to "test" it? Most of us want to use it! Mozilla is already a great end-user browser, and will keep getting better.

  • new king (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SirSlud (67381) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:22PM (#3646175) Homepage
    While there are some rough edges (tho, remember IE 1.0? ;), Mozilla is now the king of browsers. Tabs, developer-friendly tools (that dont get in the way of the newbie), skins, the level of customization, speed, cookie management .. and free (and open source!) Whats not to like?

    Say goodbye, IE! Man am I glad to see you go.

    (BTW, I hear in the next (last?) WinXP patch, you'll be able to strip IE from your system entirely? Where can I find detailed information about this?)

    PS. I've been using Mozilla for about a month or two, and despite aforementionned rough edges, this thing absolutely blows IE out of the water in all respects except market share. ;)
    • Re:new king (Score:4, Insightful)

      by essdodson (466448) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:30PM (#3646261) Homepage
      I doubt you'll see anyone stripping IE. IE is the browsers of choice for those who use windows. I don't really care how it goes about it, loading files on startup or whatever, IE is by far the best browser offering for Windows. It may have from the enemy, but IE is here to stay.

      I'm seeing more and more people switch to IE every day. Complete cluelessness of Netscape is to blame for this. Even though Mozilla is a rock solid browser I doubt these people would be willing to run Mozilla after finding out that Netscape 6 is derrived from Mozilla code base.
      • Re:new king (Score:4, Interesting)

        by aengblom (123492) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @03:12PM (#3647279) Homepage
        IE is fabulous in Windows until you have a problem. Then you're pretty much sunk. I've recently encountered two IE bugs that have gone unfixed and they are pretty much showstoppers for me. The first (on my home machine)... IE would often not display images--there were a variety of complex temporary fixes, but I couldn't get it to work. Most problematic: to fix my IE I had to reinstall the OS. This is the largest problem with it's integration Uninstall/Revert to previous version wouldn't work because it broke my MS Outlook!

        More recently, I have come across a bug that prevents IE from saving a photo as anything, but a BMP when the cache gets full (or something). This is a problem at work because I use IE to browse web accessible database of large image files.

        For both CPU's I had to switch to Moz. Thankfully, it was there when I needed it. IE is still a pleasure to use... but only when it works.
  • by Nicopa (87617) <nico.lichtmaier@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:22PM (#3646178)

    Please, don't use the developer groups for your questions. A good place for user discussion where you can ask for support or discuss and propose features is the new newsgroup:

    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla. user.general

    (Note that slashdot adds a space inside the link)

  • After long last, its finally here. Don't think that this is the end of Mozilla. It's only the beginning! Netscape 7.0 is most likely coming off the 1.0 branch, and the trunk has already been getting bugfixes that will go into later Mozilla releases (releases). So, if a fix to a bug you wanted fixed isn't in Mozilla 1.0, its not the end of the world. Stay posted. :-)

  • by wilburdg (178573) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:24PM (#3646194)


    This source code is subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and other U.S. law, and may not be exported or re-exported to certain countries (currently Afghanistan (Taliban controlled areas)

    Bombing them is one thing, but not giving them access to Mozilla? That's just mean.

    • I guess the idea is that encryption software would help the citizens of these countries organize revolts against their oppressive governments... Err, wait a second...
    • This source code is subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and other U.S. law, and may not be exported or re-exported to certain countries (currently Afghanistan (Taliban controlled areas)

      Last time I checked, the Taliban didn't control any areas .... still, what with the red star and all it'd probably be seen as a symbol of communism anyway :)

  • a serious question to toss into the midst of all the flying pig, snowball in hell, and slashdotheads getting laid jokes. does anybody know if moving a non-technical user, who uses netscape 4.7 for his mail and such to mozilla 1/netscape 7 works seamlessly?
    • In a word, yes. I moved a techically illiterate user (seriously, he called to complain his slot-loading CD-ROM was broken - he had crammed two CDs in there at once) from Netscape 4.7 to Mozilla this weekend.

      No worries. It's enough alike to keep him happy. In fact, had I not erased his entire hard disk earlier in the day ("Why shouldn't I open attachments again?"), Mozilla probably would have been able to import all of his settings automatically.

  • I have been using mozilla for two years.

    I have been using Mozilla almost exclusivly for one year.

    Mozilla has been the best browser out there (free, stable, feature rich (tabbed browsing, image blocking, fastest rendering)) for six months.

    Why 1.0 is news is beyond me.

    Mozilla could be improved by making new windows open faster (although tabbed browsing really helps), and adding many of the thousand of feature requests that are in the bugzilla database. Here are bugs for which I am currently voting [mozilla.org]. I'd like middle mouse button to open forms in new windows, junkbuster functionality built in, an easy way to switch SMTP servers, and the Reply-To on mail to be set to the person mail was sent to to begin with when replying.

    • Bugzilla doesn't allow links from slashdot. :-( I guess it has been slashdotted in the past.

      If you want to see my votes you will have to copy and paste the link location so as not to send the referer url to bugzilla.

  • by Gambit Thirty-Two (4665) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:31PM (#3646268)
    but still, the problems with sorting bookmarks still exists. I was hoping this would be fixed before release.
  • by Nicopa (87617) <nico.lichtmaier@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:32PM (#3646275)
    After downloading Mozilla [mozilla.org] you can install Java and Flash automatically [technisys.com.ar].
    • by vanza (125693) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @03:00PM (#3647167)
      Anyone with a recent JDK/JRE installed already has the plugin for Mozilla/Netscape and does NOT need to install this package!

      I don't know why the installer does not do this automatically if it detects Java, but all you have to do is go to the Mozilla plugins directory and make a symbolic link to the plugin. In the case of JDK 1.4, the plugin resides in ${JAVA_HOME}/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_o ji140.so (for Linux at least).

      In Windows, in some directory that looks like that, there are some dll's you can copy to the Mozilla plugins' folder to make the Java plugin work.

  • by stevenj (9583) <stevenj.alum@mit@edu> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:33PM (#3646288) Homepage

    As long as Mozilla has its foot in the door with a significant niche of web users, as long as it is Free software that can never disappear simply because a company goes under, as long as it guarantees a viable browsing solution for all the platforms Microsoft would rather you forgot, then it has won. It will prevent Microsoft from completely dictating web standards, from creating a world where only Windows can browse the web.

    The problem Microsoft (and others of its ilk) has with Free software is that it doesn't go away. When Mozilla first came out, there was a huge hype, but that hype evaporated and turned (in some quarters) to derision when Mozilla didn't deliver right away. For most MS competitors, that would have been the end. But Mozilla kept plugging along, getting better and better...it never has to go back to square one with a new company and codebase.

    ...and the longer it holds on with the high quality it has demonstrated so far, the more companies will jump on to its bandwagon. Everyone except for Microsoft benefits from open standards, and almost everyone knows it.

  • by Eric Seppanen (79060) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:35PM (#3646310)
    I really, really wish someone would have fixed the obnoxious file-extension mangling bug. It's rapidly soaring toward the top of the most-frequently reported bug list, and was introduced at 1.0rc1 back in April. It's bug 120327 if anyone's interested in reading 183 (mostly repetitive) comments.

    This bug is why mozilla insists on adding .exe extensions to anything delivered as application/octet-stream, .txt to text/plain, and likes to fool around with lots of other extensions depending on your exact setup (on my machine it tries to rename every mp3 file to .mpga).

  • Not bad at all. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Kenja (541830) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:35PM (#3646319)
    This looks like the first version I may end up using over IE on Windows.

    However it still has a few problems. from Klassy.com [klassy.com]

    1. Image alignment. Seems to not support the Align=AbsMiddle property of an image tag.
    2. Lacks support for IE style layers. Its too much to expect web site devlopers to use more then one layer type. Its time to bite the bullet and support the MS style.

    These are the only real problems I can find after a breif test. Overall looking very good (other then the Netscape 4 interface).

    • Re:Not bad at all. (Score:2, Interesting)

      by tono (38883)
      Why would they support IE style layers, when
      and are part of the html4.0 spec and work perfectly, not to mention Mozilla is supposed to be an html4.0 w3c browser, and NOT bend to the will of MS tags.
    • Re:Not bad at all. (Score:3, Informative)

      by guanxi (216397)
      Overall looking very good (other then the Netscape 4 interface).


      The "Modern" interface is much nicer:

      1. Click Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Themes | Modern.

      2. Close Moz *and* QuickLaunch (right-click the system tray icon and choose "Exit Mozilla").

      When you start Moz again, you'll have the Modern theme.
  • Take it as a proof of concept for the "We'll release when we're damn well ready" philosophy.

    I've been using the builds since 13 or 14, and I must say, they've done a remarkable job in coming so far.

    I can't seem to download it right now, but should it fix the small number of issues I saw with RC3, this should be an amazing product.

    But no rest for the weary, the 1.1 branch is allready underway.
  • Thank You! (Score:5, Informative)

    by asa (33102) <asa@mozilla.com> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:39PM (#3646357) Homepage
    I want to personally thank everyone that downloaded Milestone and nightly testing builds and contributed feedback in the form of Bugzilla bug reports, TalkBack crash reports, comments in the newsgroups and at mozillaZine.org. And a special thanks to those people that gave a hours, weeks, months or years of their lives to the care and feeding of our bug database (triage and testcasing bug reports). Without Mozilla's amazing QA and testing community we wouldn't be where we are today.
    Oh, and all the developers too ;-)
  • w00t! (Score:2, Troll)

    by cjpez (148000)
    . . . and BOY are those servers hammered. :)

    Regardless, great news! Me == happy.

  • OK this is going to be a bit of an incoherent ramble but... WTF...

    Enormous thanks and my congratulations to everyone involved with Mozilla! And to all those doubters and cynics who've been whining about bloat, performance, features,... or indeed anything at all: you can stop it now. Mozilla is the best web browser in existence today (looking only at the browser component): it supports FAR more standards than anything else, AND it copes with old broken non-compliant HTML, AND it renders pages fast, AND it (the browser) starts up like greased lightning in -turbo mode ... in fact, it's faster than Internet Explorer on this Windows box. It's also running on the nearby Linux machine. Name me ONE browser that compiles and runs on more platforms? I think moz even gives lynx a run for it's money on that front... and tabbed browsing.... tab groups... *sigh* it just gfoes on and on... threaded news/mail reader... XUL, the coolest cross-platform GUI tools and component set EVER (that I am aware of: I'm going to be the front end to my employer's anti-virus software build and test rigs using XUL, now that the APIs are frozen XULBuilder [mozdev.org] will blossom into life once more...

    Not only is it a category killer browser - irtonically hte individual apps are themselves (pretty much) category killers. mail/news easily trounces Outlook for me - apart from the secuirty stuff, it does threading. Yep, no threading in Outlook! And what's more --- no ads (Opera), no security holes (IE), and best of all, Mozilla is Free (Libre) Software.

    Many thanks also to those of the rest of us who kept the faith, spending long expensive nights downloading another flakey nightly build, who never hit EXIT on a moz process until it had crashed...

    Personally I feel more involved with Moz than any other Free Software project, I've been testing, logging bugs in Bugzilla, reading the docs, status reports and mozillazine ever since the news was first announced here on Slashdot. Anyone else out there coming to the London party? Gervase?

    A million thanks to everyone who hacked code or helped out on the project in any way. Mozilla is the most enjoyable software I've ever used, apart from Perl that is. Oh frabjous day! Calloo, callay!!! =) *does a little dance*

    PS: and a special thanks to Asa and the rest of the evangelist types who turn up here reliably and calmy refuting the FUD and bollocks that have come from Slahdotters over the years. Go back a couple of years and pick out a Slashdot moz story -- you lot /hated/ it and it sometimes seemed no-one else believed it would ever work...)

  • by thesolo (131008) <slap@fighttheriaa.org> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @01:48PM (#3646440) Homepage
    I'm using 1.0 right now, and the only thing that is annoying me is that 1.0 still uses that same (IMHO tacky) splash screen!

    I fortunately replaced the splash screen on my copy at work (in Windows, drop a file called mozilla.bmp into the Mozilla directory, and that becomes your splash!) before I showed Mozilla off to my boss. Had he seen the regular splash screen, I don't know if he would have taken it seriously.

    Seriously, the browser is professional, the splash screen should be too.
  • Or should I wait for Ximian to release v1.0 final? I don't want to break a bunch of things if I try to upgrade to non-Ximian v1.0. I am running Red Hat Linux v7.1 and v7.2. I also don't use Nautilus on my machines.

    Thank you in advance. :)

  • by Animats (122034) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @02:14PM (#3646642) Homepage
    Mozilla 1.0 went out the door with Bug 137164 [mozilla.org] unfixed.

    Near the end of the release notes [mozilla.org], there is the warning

    • Do not share a profile between Netscape and Mozilla builds. Doing this can lead to unpredictable results, some of which may include loss of Search settings and preferences and unchecked growth of the Bookmarks file (large enough to freeze your system). It is best to create a new profile for each or manually copy (and change the name) an existing profile.

    The bug report itself contains this pathetic comment:

    • If you point someone to a door with 'Enter' on it and the handle shocks them when they touch it - maybe they shouldn't do that, but that still makes you a pretty mean bastard.

      that is to say... If Netscape can't use a Mozilla profile(and vice-versa) without causing nasty corruption then it shouldn't be trying. We should offer to import and create a new one without harming the old one - just like we do with other browsers that we like/share users with/ and support but with which we have incompatible profiles. (uhh 4.x)

      Believe me, I'm overjoyed to mark bugs that stem from this behavior as invalid (and I will) but that doesn't strike at the core issue. Lots of users, QA, and developers have spent a ton of time chasing down these demons - no one knew of this incompatibility. Isn't there something to be done?

    • Actually, what it really means (though this is not explicit in the release notes) is that you can't share a profile between mozilla 1.0 and existing versions of netscape. I read elsewhere (maybe in the FAQ?) that this will be doable in future netscape builds (i.e. ones based on moz1.0). Also, from the bug report, which you rather unfairly neglected to quote:

      The 1.0 relnote for this bug is good but not enough. The solution should be that
      Netscape creates its own registry.dat and doesn't touch Mozilla's. That should
      be done for the next major Netscape release, or there will be a lot of users
      with profile corruption caused by sharing profiles between Netscape and Mozilla.
      That could lead to user frustration.

      It sounds like it is actually a problem with current netscape builds.
    • FAQ section 7 [mozilla.org] tells you how to work around this.

      NOTE: you can't start the profile manager unless Mozilla is fully shut down.

  • by PhxBlue (562201) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @02:20PM (#3646693) Homepage Journal

    . . .Mozilla could advertise itself as the most Gopher-Friendly [slashdot.org] browser on the market!

  • I have not downloaded Mozilla 1.0 yet, but I do have RC3 installed on this Ultra5/270Mhz/512Mb .

    While this monster is by no means a speed demon, Mozilla is so slow it is unusable. Takes 30 seconds to start up, 1-2 seconds to register a click. The rendering of pages is fine, but everything else is really, really slow.

    Netscape4.7, on the other hand, is fine. Not fast, but perfectly usable.

    I also use Mozilla all the time on a Win98 & RH7.2 (Dual boot/366Mhz/512Mb), and it's way way FASTER then Netscape4.7.

    Why is Mozilla so slow on Solaris?

  • Netscape 4.x (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Ed Avis (5917) <ed@membled.com> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @02:46PM (#3647022) Homepage
    Now is a good time to reflect on what might have been. When Netscape decided to make their browser free software, they had the choice of releasing 4.x or the under-development 5.x codebase. There wasn't time to clean up both for release.

    If Mozilla had been a straight source release of Netscape 4.08, would it have reached version 1.0 sooner? What would the current Mozilla version be like now? Would both paths tend to converge to the rewritten-from-scratch browser we have now?

    It's a pity that 4.x was never made free, because Mozilla 1.0 has some pretty high system requirements. I'm going to check out the last of the 'Mozilla classic' builds which were a cleaned-up Netscape 4, to see how well they perform.
  • by RedSynapse (90206) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @03:12PM (#3647276)
    Oh no, not the return of the Never-Ending-Splashscreen-Debate-From-Hell [mozilla.org].
    Oh it all starts out nice "we need a prettier splashscreen, here I made one check it out." Then the accusations of satanism [mozilla.org]and communism [mozilla.org] begin (seriously). [to view the links you'll have to copy the link location into the address bar. Bugzilla doesn't accept direct links from slashdot]

    Long story short, they can't change the splashscreen because of the legal wrangling necessary. But ANYONE can change the splashscreen to anything by putting at .bmp file named mozilla.bmp in their /mozilla directory.

    Personally I think the best ones are here [mareotis.com], and no it's not listed on the big list of splashscreens given before.

  • by stienman (51024) <adavisNO@SPAMubasics.com> on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @03:14PM (#3647296) Homepage Journal
    Obviously we're all excited to take this to our friends and families. Is there any effort to make a good installation CD with all the binaries, source, and a windows autorun (either open an html file on the CD or run the full talkbak installer)?

    I can put one together myself, but I'm not certian what the best (most easily understood) directory structure would be... Perhaps something like this:
    • Root
      • Linux
      • Suse
      • Redhat
      • ...
    • BSD
      • FreeBSD
      • NetBSD
      • ...
    • Windows
    • Source
    • DOCS
    I'd like to have something burnable by next Wednesday for the Ann Arbor Destroyed by Mozilla [schnitzer.at] party...

    -Adam
  • UNCOs (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @03:40PM (#3647517)
    Mozilla has several (around 3500) unconfirmed bugs, most of them seam to be gone since a long time or dups, but we need some help to get through them - just ask on irc.mozilla.org #kill-unco and read there: http://sucs.org/~sits/mozilla/unco/
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @03:42PM (#3647535)
    Mozilla is dying!

    Today in the news Mozilla has been shown to be decreasing by 99% of 0.0001% leading experts in the field to believe that Mozilla is, in fact, dying. Richard Stallman, founder of the upstart Free Software Foundation was quotae as saying, "It's GNU/Mozilla damn you GNU/Mozilla!!!!!" Eric Raymond was reached for comment but he shot both of our journalists dead proclaiming, "Git offa mah propherty you city boy!" Cmdr. Taco and Hemos were unavailable for comment as they are currently in an undisclosed location doing ungodly things to CowboyNeal who by all accounts, has been dressed up in a leather and latex montage and forced to consecrate with small asian monkeys.

    In other news Linus Torvalds, founder of the Loonix software movement was found chastising pigeons in a NYC subway earlier today. He claimed they were in it with the queers. Bill Gates commented, "That's what happnes when you do not charge for your product, dimentia sets in and *WHAM!* you're gone." He then added, "Besides 640k should be enough for anybody."

  • by tswinzig (210999) on Wednesday June 05, 2002 @04:07PM (#3647770) Journal
    If you're sick of that curly, blue lizard icon that appears on EVERY window, try installing the icons found here:

    http://www.grayrest.com/moz/resources/icons.shtml [grayrest.com]

    They're nice looking, and more importantly, I can now differentiate between the browser windows and the mail windows...

    Supposedly these and other icons are available from the following page, but it's really slow right now for me...

    http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/icons.html [mozdev.org]
  • cnet review (Score:4, Funny)

    by MatriXOracle (33400) on Thursday June 06, 2002 @12:16AM (#3650354) Homepage
    CNet's "review" [cnet.com]
    shows the following as a boxscore for mozilla.

    CNET rating: 7
    The good: Fast; stable; free; includes full-featured e-mail client.

    The bad: Incompatible with some sites built for Internet Explorer; chat client doesn't work with the big commercial IM systems, including ICQ, Yahoo IM, AOL IM, and Windows Messenger.

    The bottom line: Until Netscape 7 comes out, Mozilla is the best free alternative to Microsoft IE. And it's faster, to boot.


    Y'know, when the only bad things they can say about your browser is
    1)it is standards-compliant; and
    2)no, IRC does not work with AIM

    then I think you've done a pretty damn good job. Congratulations!

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