Mozilla 1.1 Alpha Released 464
theBrownfury writes: "Mozilla.org has released Mozilla 1.1 alpha, the first post 1.0 milestone.
This release has been in the works for almost 2 months now incorporating
over 1700 bug fixes and more than a dozen new features. Including: Quartz
rendering for OS X 10.1.5 users, new layout performance enhancements targeted
at DHTML, faster startup times and more. Here are the release notes and
the link to the releases page
or FTP
for downloads."
excuse me but (Score:1, Informative)
Mz 1.1 is quite stable really. Only one crash in the several days I've been using it.
Btw, you need to go into the preferences and turn pipelined http on - it's off by default. In my experience, it increases speed by about ~25%. Very good stuff.
Re:Java Problems... (Score:1, Informative)
Head over to:
http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/index.ht
Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:2, Informative)
However, there are several things that stop me from using it 100% of the time. I still stick to IE for about 25% of sites, because.. of all the little bugs! I'm hoping some have been cleared up in this Alpha. They include:
* Keyboard not responding sometimes when you open a new Mozilla window (this is in Bugzilla)
* When you click on some links, it doesn't go to the destination.. and it just displays a picture off of the current page! Hit Refresh and you finally go on your way.
* Mozilla is less system tolerant than IE. Mozilla is often the first application to lose its icons and its interface starts falling to pieces. This is probably because of my memory or the CPU overheating.. but IE remains stable until the last minute.
* Mozilla often bawks if you're loading large JPEGs into it direct from hard disk.. and it just displays a blank/white screen with scrollbars.
* Many sites still don't display well in Mozilla. This is the Web developer's fault, but still.. Mozilla can do all of those DHTML menus and stuff, yet I still run into problems on sites that use them. An optional 'IE compliancy' patch in Mozilla would be very very useful!
Re:Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:3, Informative)
* In the Windows browser, selecting text will even do strange things like go back the the previous page, or close the browser window! It may be the gestures getting confused, but it's highly annoying.
Re:Java Problems... (Score:4, Informative)
Even then, lots of applets are MS pseudo-java (and only work in the Microsoft VM) rather than real Sun/IBM/etc. Java. AFAIK the games.yahoo.com used the MS-Java specific crap (for no good reason) last time I checked.
Applets actually written for Java 1.3/1.4 work brilliantly, I find, and the fact that 1.4 applets get the DOM of the page they are embedded in is cool, too. Next step: drag-n-drop applets in Composer
roadmap: Re:This is a milestone (Score:2, Informative)
1.1alpha 12-Jun-2002
1.1beta 17-Jul-2002
1.1 09-Aug-2002
Security fixes in mozilla 1.0 not included here.
latest build... (Score:2, Informative)
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/late
Re:Java Problems... (Score:1, Informative)
[For reference, this is with Mozilla 1.0 and Sun's JRE, either 1.3.1 and 1.4.0_01. YMMV with other VMs]
Re:excuse me but (Score:2, Informative)
I benchmarked it against IE on one of my p0rn sites, it loaded the page in under a second, IE took over 4, every time.
Re:Java Problems... (Score:2, Informative)
I had a lot of trouble installing java on moz 0.9.8 a while ago, but when I did a full reinstall with 1.0 it went without a hitch, installed, and runs absolutely perfectly...
Re:Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:5, Informative)
Tobe honest, I don't see the other problems you mention. When you say "mozilla is often the first app to lose its icons and its interface starts falling to pieces..." -- well this just never happens to me, on NT4 or Linux. Are you trying to use win9x or something? If so, I suggest you nuke that PoS first, install a real operating system (I'd count NT as "real", others may disagree ;) and a pound gets a penny most of your issues will clear up.
The other major cause of issues is installing over a previous version. Try nuking your ~/mozilla (on Windows: %SYSTEMROOT%/profiles/[username]/Application Data/Mozilla ) and reinstalling.
Re:Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:3, Informative)
* Not supporting my (home) wheel mouse. Telling users they need new drivers is not an option!
* Losing an entire folder of bookmarks being dragged. The bookmark section in general needs a fair amount of work
Despite that, the pop-under tabbed browsing is the best thing since er the wheel mouse. I just want 'em both!
Re:Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:5, Informative)
I just figured this one out the other day.
To select a portion of the word, drag your cursor so that the next word is highlighted, then back up. IE extends the selection word by word, but retracts it character by character.
Re:DoS in Mozilla/X (Score:2, Informative)
Re:1700 bugs?!?!?! (Score:5, Informative)
So how many bugs are open on IE? How do you know it's 10x as many bugs? For that matter, how do you actually raise a bug on IE if you find one? Microsoft do their best to hide that kind of information.
The fact is Internet Explorer is closed source. You have no idea how many bugs are open on it, how many are fixed between builds, the quality of patches, the quality of the code or even what features are being worked on at any given time. Mozilla allows you to do all which consequently means a lot of people are motivated to find and reports bugs and often submit patches.
Besides, a lot of the so-called bugs on mozilla are covering feature work, more deal with embedding and API cleanup, more are dupes, more are issues restricted to specific sites and more deal with issues on specific platforms. They might all be labelled "bugs" but the number of crash/non-functional/quirk issues are actually a subset.
Re:Download manager (Score:1, Informative)
Re:1700!? (Score:2, Informative)
To a large degree a myth. Yes, there are many people who add small patches but a substantial portion of the core code is written by paid Netscape employees. The really hairy parts tend to get hacked on less because there is such a steep learning curve. The idea that it is a chaotic free for all is entirely bogus.
Maybe it would be better if mozilla was developed like the linux kernel was, and thats the main programmers reveiwing patches before they are accepted.
Doh. Every patch requires at least [mozilla.org] two reviews.
Re:Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:2, Informative)
How many times have people had to go to a hardware company's support site to get the latest drivers for their hardware? Or even the latest version of ActiveX to support the new game they want to install? In windows this has been a fact of life for years and this is not a mozilla only problem. At least you have an option of getting a new driver, most hardware companies are completely oblivious to anything but windows.
I've been using mozilla for almost 2 years. I've never had a problem with the wheel mouse. I've installed it on both linux & windows machines. And I've used several brands of wheel mice including the genius net mouse which is'nt even a wheel but a toggle switch really. And they all worked perfectly. You need to give alot more information.
Re:Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:5, Informative)
If you are using a proxy like junkbusters then This [mozilla.org] will solve your problem:
10.3. I'm using a transparent proxy (such as Junkbuster) and I'm having weird browsing problems. What's happening?
Some transparent proxies (including some versions of Junkbuster) do not handle HTTP/1.1 properly. The first thing to try is to go to Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking and select 'Use HTTP 1.0'.
Re:Download manager (Score:2, Informative)
Re:excuse me but (Score:2, Informative)
In that case your connection will just about always be saturated, and you'll get no benefit from `pipelining', which works by downloading several files at a time. It's only useful if you usually have some unused bandwidth.
Re:Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:3, Informative)
Admittedly I needed a bit of hackery to set the font in the UI, because by default the UI font uses a non-antialiased font (it picks up the GTK setting and there's no GUI to change that). But you can even override that easily by putting the following in a file called userChrome.css in your profile directory:
dialog, window, menu, menuitem {font-family: sans-serif !important}
That last remaining issue will go away when the port to GTK2 is completed because GTK2 will allow an antialiased font to be the default. Alternatively, you *might* be able to pick a truetype font as your default GTK font and have it work now, but I haven't tried that so I'm not sure.
Stuart.
Re:Java Problems...Solution (Score:2, Informative)
Here's the solution: cd over /usr/local/mozilla-1.0/, remove all Java-related files and the java2 directory. Then go to java.sun.com and reinstall.
Everything now seems to work fine. Don't ask me why it works, though.
Re:why mozilla still sucks (Score:3, Informative)
The mozilla 1.0 stable branch will continue as 1.0.x, and the 1.x series will continue as test milestones for evaluation of the latest features added to the trunk development. Each release cycle will be about 13 weeks long, consisting of 5 weeks work then an ALPHA release, another 5 weeks then a BETA release, then a week or so freeze before the milestone.
This release is 1.1 ALPHA. Lots of nice things in there for those who are following Moz and don't mind the shortcomings, but if you just want to complain, stick to IE.
"Bug count" is irrelevant (Score:1, Informative)
But it's true.
If your product works, no one who counts cares if you have 3,000,000 "bugs" or more.
And if your product doesn't work, the "bug count" is used to beat you over the head with. If it's low - your processes are attacked. If it's high, your productivity is attacked. And if it's in between, some PHB will randomly decide it's too low or too high and then attack as appropriate.
BTW, Mozilla 1.0 is pretty good for free stuff (and if you think IE is really free, I've got a nice bridge to sell you...)
Re:excuse me but (Score:2, Informative)
Just so people know: Not all http-servers support pipelining properly. While these semi-broken servers wont crash Mozilla you may sometimes notice http-headers spilling on to the screen. See bugzilla entry #144574.
Re: Spellchecker (Score:3, Informative)
Poor mozilla font rendering in Red Hat 7.3 (Score:4, Informative)
Actually, I found that the biggest problem with Mozilla in RedHat 7.3 was that I had installed the AbiWord word processor when I installed the system. AbiWord happens to have some really poor quality fonts named according to the Microsoft convention.. Arial, etc. So any web page that gives you something like
<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">
will cause Mozilla on X to go and find the lousy AbiWord fonts, no matter what you try and do in the Mozilla font preferences.
The solution is to comment out the reference to the AbiSuite fonts in /etc/X11/fs/config from finding the AbiWord MS-named fonts.
Mozilla on RedHat 7.3 was totally unusable until I did this.
Re:Java Problems... (Score:2, Informative)
Both Mozilla 0.9x and 1.x on both Linux x86 and PPC run most of applets published on the web perfectly, being installed with Java 1.3.x. So, relax your Java requirement for Linux platforms.
Moreover, Java 1.4 has lots of compatibility issues with software written for Java 1.3.x For example, Tomcat, JBoss and PostgreSQL JDBC both fail to work with Java 1.4. So, don't recommend java 1.4 once it's broken.
Does anyone know when Sun is going to fix broken compatibility of Java 1.4.x ?
Re:SVG support? (Score:2, Informative)
The reason is a licensing issue related to libart, AFAIK
Re:how do i???! (Score:2, Informative)
ctrl+t
Re:excuse me but (Score:3, Informative)
--Asa
Re:Well done to the team (again) but.. (Score:2, Informative)
this is one of the main complaints I have about IE, stoping a selection mid-word is almost impossible using it.
I just figured this one out the other day.
To select a portion of the word, drag your cursor so that the next word is highlighted, then back up. IE extends the selection word by word, but retracts it character by character.
Like it or not (and I am in the "not" camp) that's the Microsoft usability standard. All their apps
(except Office which has its own set of usability standards) do this. Makes using WordPad as a source editor quite difficult...
Re:Plugins (Score:2, Informative)
Mozilla is not meant as an end user application. It is meant as a resource for developers and bug testers. The fact that you even thought it was for end users shows how good of a job they are really doing. This point as been mentioned numerous times, and it's even stated when you download Mozilla.
There are distributions of Mozilla meant for end users. Netscape 6.0+, Galleon, hopefully AOL soon. =)
Re:Argh (Score:2, Informative)