GNOME 2.0 Released 461
MAXOMENOS writes "The GNOME team has announced the release of GNOME 2.0. You can get more information about the GNOME 2.0 system here." Congratulations to everyone involved. Use the mirrors...
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Get To Those Mirrors! (Score:5, Informative)
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Screenshots (Score:5, Informative)
Great work to everyone who helped with this. Gnome2 is amazing.
--Ben
YES. (Score:4, Informative)
Blizzard in Hell (Score:3, Informative)
Duke Nukem Forever and Doom 3 just need to come out, and as a nice touch it would be cool if Star Control 2 would be re-released for Linux, Mac, and windows.... oh wait [classicgaming.com] it is, hell is damn cold.
Now time to watch my karma go down the drain, but at least this time I was *less* offtopic.
Incase you are thinking of running metacity... (Score:4, Informative)
http://plastercast.tzo.com/~plastercast/Project
Re:Porting to GNOME 2 (Score:3, Informative)
You should check out the Porting Plan done by Malcolm Tredinnick here:
http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/porting/
The whole dotplan minisite has lots of useful info.
If you have questions you can ask them on the gnome gnome-devel-list, the archive is here
http://lists.gnome.org/archives/gnome-devel-lis
Hope that helps,
Steve
Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (Score:2, Informative)
At least that's my $0.02
Re:Screenshots (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Porting to GNOME 2 (Score:5, Informative)
While its not a two minute job, for most small to medium applications it is not terribly difficult. GNOME 2 is a major platform change with many of the underlying libraries being rewritten and their APIs sanitized and revised. In general, however, APIs have been marked deprecated rather than outright removed. That means that just getting your application compiling and running with GNOME 2 should not prove too difficult, since the APIs you are familiar with are still there, its just recommended you don't use them for much longer ;-)
Some things, such as Bonobo, have changed a lot and will provide hours of endless porting amusement. However, looking at the list of libraries you have used, I suspect it will not be difficult.
A lot of small common changes, pitfalls, and specifics about individual libraries can be found in The GNOME 2 Porting Guide [gnome.org]. Many modules, such as GTK+ also contain specific "what's changed in the API" information in their API documentation (GTK's for example is available here [gnome.org]).
I would expect that you could do a basic port in a few hours of concentrated effort. Feel free to frequent irc.gnome.org/#gnome and ask questions. A lot of the problems you may run into will be common and can be answered in a few seconds by somebody experienced with GNOME 2 ports (hopefully most of these are embodied in the porting guide, but... :-)
Good luck with the port!
-SethRe:I cant wait.. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (Score:3, Informative)
I use kde2 stuff all the time and I use enlightenment
konqueror works just fine
is kde3 different in this respect?
Some things missing? (Score:4, Informative)
1) The window manager switcher (I don't want Sawfish)
2) A lot of the cool panel applets from 1.4 (clock)
3) A way to save a session and have it remember window positions (it'll start programs that were "saved", but they all default to the middle of the desktop)
Can anyone fill me in? Thanks.
Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (Score:5, Informative)
But you've heard that already, and it's not what you were looking for.
What you really wanted was Gnome's advantages over KDE. For me, it comes down to a few things...
1) Seems speedier on my 400mhz workstation. This is subjective, but I think it's pretty apparent. YMMV! On faster machines, this is less of an issue, but I don't have a faster machine, so it is a big deal to me.
2) Application "consistency": I personally find Galeon, Evo, and Gnumeric superior to Konquoror, KMail, and Koffice's spreadsheet, so having those former apps match my desktop is nice. While you can run Gnome/GTK apps in KDE, and vice-versa, having your themes between your desktop and Galeon, Evolution, Gnumeric, etc, is really cool.
3) This is the real kicker for me: Gnome 2 is, IMHO, much easier to configure and work with, and is far more intuitive. One of the Gnome 2 philosophies is that things should "just work", and use intelligent default settings wherever possible, instead of offering "6 equally broken ways to do it, and let[ing] the user pick one."* This means that while Gnome is still configurable, you don't have to wade through a nearly endless sea of preference options just to find that one button you were looking for. *cough*Kontrol center*cough*
* thanks to Havoc Pennington for the great quote. [gnome.org]
Once again, though, the only way to decide is to try for yourself.
Happy GNOMEing!
Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (Score:4, Informative)
Gnome 2.0 and KDE 3 seem fine on recent machines with enough memory. (Howz that for vague?) But we have a lab with a bunch of 5 year old machines and 32 mb or ram. We *have* to use icewm on them. It is possible to get gnome running on them but kde just plain won't run on them.
If you've got a recent machine there isn't much difference between the two, except that kde has some different features which are kind of nice. If you do not have a big machine then gnome is much nicer to work on. If you've got an old beater, then your best bet is icewm.
If it weren't for ice we would not have a back door for installing linux. Our argument to the money holders is that linux lets us use older machines and still be efficient. We can't do that with these "modern" window managers. The code bloat has just plain gotten out of hand. Thank goodness for ice! It allows us to sneak linux in the back door which then permeates the system!
Re:Some things missing? (Score:4, Informative)
1) You can switch windows managers in Applications -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Window Manager
2) The alternative clock applets were not ported to GNOME 2 because it was decided that there should be only one clock applet that is flexible. Having many clock applets was a significant source of confusion for users in Sun's usability test.
3) Where responsibility for saving windows states lies is still a topic of debate. There is a discussion [gnome.org] of this that began this weekend on the desktop-devel-list. There was also a more technical discussion [gnome.org] of this last month on the wm-spec-list.
Erik
Mirrors for Gnome2 (Score:1, Informative)
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Re:Gnome 2 vs KDE 3 (Score:4, Informative)
FUD, FUD, FUD, no go away!
GNOME will use any window manager, but prefers those that are GNOME compliant. KDE will use any window manager, but prefers those that are GNOME compliant. The fact that KDE ships with its own window manager is about as irrelevant as the fact that GNOME does as well.
Re:Gnome3 (Score:1, Informative)
Much of the immediate effort will be on the quick release 2.0.1 and 2.2.0 (I guess).
The
The next effort is to take advantage of the developer platform, which will be with us for a few years, to implement more features that users want. So you should see more application development and porting over the coming months.
Even better, you can help GNOME add the features you want. By making feature requests, tracking down bugs and spending a little time on the project a massive impact can be made. If you'd like to help trip over to developer.gnome.org to find out more!
Steve
Re:Gnome 2 aimed at developers? (Score:2, Informative)
You're absolutely right!
This release is a
Originally it was thought there would be very few user visible changes but you can't keep a good Free Software developer down and there are actually loads of improvements! I think if you give GNOME 2.0 a go you will see that there are lots of usability improvements - new clearer icons, better dialogs, more straightforward configuration and more.
The future for GNOME is 2.0.1 and then 2.2.0. These are reserved for application porting and user visible improvements. So you should see lots more goodies in the future.
If you have a moment do give 2.0 a try out - particularly after your distribution has caught up, or use ximian GNOME (www.ximian.com). I think you'll find that the reality is even better than the new reports!
Good Luck,
Steve
Re:ximian gnome (Score:1, Informative)
GNOME 2.0 - the new release does support AntiAliased fonts. When you get the new platform running you need to add this to your environment:
export GDK_USE_XFT=1
There is also a capplet I believe.
Ximian (www.ximian.com) will make a user release of GNOME 2.0 I am sure. Though as this is a
As you will see the new platform is a big step forward making applications like Nautilus faster and use less memory - that's got to be a good thing for a new version to use less resources
Thanks,
Steve
Re:iTunes like app? (Score:2, Informative)
Garnome 0.12.0 also released (Score:3, Informative)
Checket out, it makes installing/testing Gnome 2.0 very easy and will not affect your Gnome 1.4 installation (it installs to ~/garnome/)