Mozilla 1.1 Hits The Street

asa writes: "Mozilla 1.1 has arrived!. This release has many new features including full-screen mode for Linux, Mac MathML support, a redesigned JavaScript Debugger, new window icons for the different Mozilla applications, view selection source, display HTML mail as plaintext, and much more. Along with all the new features, Mozilla 1.1 also contains many improvements to performance, stability, standards support, and web site compatibility. You can get Mozilla 1.1 by visiting the mozilla.org releases page or directly from ftp at ftp.mozilla.org. Now that 1.1 is out the door, the focus moves to 1.2 alpha, and beyond. If you're confused as to how all of these releases relate to each other, be sure to check out the Mozilla Roadmap and the community hub over at mozillaZine.org."

Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[titansfreek]

I love Mozilla, the browser and email client are awesome and so much better than anything else. But before it even finished starting it gave me to error messages about some DLL. Then enigmail is complaining at me too. And why are 2 mozilla shortcuts added to my desktop? A cool new feature: view selection source. You can select some text and view the source just for that piece of the page. And tabbed browsing still rocks. Control-click a link or after typing a URL in the location field to open it quickly in a new tab, or hit control-T to pop a new blank tab. I just wish you could control click on the links in your toolbar.

After installation...

[snake_dad]

Check out the radial context menus [mozdev.org] or the mouse gestures [mozdev.org]. Look at edit->preferences->navigator->internet search, and edit->preferences->advanced->Scripts&Plugin s. And finally take a look at the preferences bar [xulplanet.com] to quickly enable or disable certain options. These are always the first things I install with any new Mozilla, release or nightly.

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[sgifford]

Search for bugs in Bugzilla for all of these things, and if there aren't already bugs file your own. Otherwise they'll never get fixed.

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[snake_dad]

Ctrl-pgup, and ctrl-pgdn under windows. ctrl-t for a new tab, ctrl-w to close one. Or use mouse gestures or piemenus.

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[Aanallein]

i wish you could switch between tabs by keyboard shortcut!

ctrl-pageup and ctrl-pagedown do this. See the keyboard shortcuts [mozilla.org].
And indeed, those shortcuts aren't really handy if you want to use a mouse, but I personally have quickly grown used to them. Who needs a mouse anyway? :)

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[Aanallein]

But before it even finished starting it gave me to error messages about some DLL. Then enigmail is complaining at me too.

Enigmail [mozdev.org] does indeed not work anymore - but a new enigmail build is released for each milestone (currently the last one is still for 1.1 beta), so I expect to see a working version within the next day or so; the developer(s) should definitely have been aware of the problem for several weeks now.

Re:This version is buggy

[titansfreek]

I think 1.1 fixes many of the glitches or bugs from 1.0, although it did have a glitch the first time I ran it. You might check out the forum at http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2 415 to discuss any issues you had installing or running the new version.

Re:so for the idiots...

[Aanallein]

Can I "update" Mozilla 1 to 1.1 w/o the obligatory uninstallation of v1 then installation of v1.1...
then follow with the time consuming preference settings?

You still have to uninstall 1.0 before installing 1.1 - or at least install 1.1 in a different directory than 1.0
However, uninstalling 1.0 doesn't remove your profile - all your preferences will remain and can be used with 1.1 without any problems.
Just make sure not to switch back and forth between 1.0 and 1.1 while using the same profile...

Mozilla source here

[Novus]

Try clicking "Get the Source" on the left side of the main Mozilla page, or follow this link [mozilla.org].

Re:That's cool...

[Jugalator]

They're also simultaneously working on a 1.0.1 branch. Mozilla 1.0.1 RC2 [mozilla.org] was released a time ago (while they were working on 1.1 as well), and is still the current 1.0.x build. Mozilla 1.1 does NOT succeed 1.0.1, as evident by the "RC 2" status. 1.0.x is simply a separate branch for stability, while 1.1, 1.2, etc is for new technology and features. I'm pretty sure they'll go on with a 1.1.x branch even after 1.2 is released as well.

In other words, it's not as simple as the Mozilla team moving from 0.9.x to 1.0 and proceeding to 1.1 and 1.2.

Re:That's cool...

[Aanallein]

I'm pretty sure they'll go on with a 1.1.x branch even after 1.2 is released as well.

No, that almost certainly won't happen. 1.0 is intended to be the only long lived branch. See the roadmap [mozilla.org].

Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[Plug]

Those of you who use the tabbed browsing feature in Mozilla (read: almost everyone!) may notice a change in "features" between Mozilla 1.0 and 1.1.

When you have only one tab open, and you instinctively middle-click or Ctrl-W or whatever, your tab bar will disappear - even if you told Mozilla not to hide the tab bar when you only had one window open, with the preferences option.

This behaviour can be considered a feature or a bug - instead of the Close Tab button doing nothing or being disabled when there's one tab, the button now hides the bar. I told Mozilla never to do that! I want the tab bar there at all times!

The bug is at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159191 (copy and paste this into a new window, bugzilla doesn't allow links from Slashdot.)

Also, why do tabs now have to close left to right, prey tell? I open Slashdot in my first tab, read everything I want, and read the first page that loads (normally the first tab) and work my way through articles. With this setup, you will just get sent back to Tab 1 every time.

Re:Coverage for other browser projects as well

[Plug]

While I'm the first to say that monopolies are bad, I like the fact that the OSS community has banded together enough to make something of the scale of Mozilla, instead of being tied up in lots of little sub-projects.

I like the fact that Galeon exists, that K-Meleon exists, that Chimera exists - and because they're all based on Mozilla, they're all as good as each other at rendering web content. If they all started as projects from scratch then none of them would be anywhere _near_ as good as they are now.

Instead of a million ICQ clients out there that implement 80% of the functions, if we had one decent ICQ library that all the clients used, then they could all use that library (Yes, I know there a couple of libs that are getting there - there weren't when I looked a couple of months back.)

I think it's a great thing that there is a standard library (Gecko) for rendering web pages that other projects can implement and build on. While I don't want to suggest the stifling of competition, I don't want to see people wasting time developing an alternative to something that is the best there is, and that they can just grab and use.

With the addition of calendaring, Mozilla is almost in a position to take on the IE/Outlook combination. Who would have suggested that a year ago? Mozilla is more than just another in the sea of browsers.

Re: That's sarcasm, right?

[Antity]

There is a way to open tabs "in the background":

Preferences->Navigator->Tabbed_Browsing->Load_li nks_In_The_Background

(Space inserted by Slashcode.)

Re:Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[Aanallein]

why do tabs now have to close left to right, prey tell?

Because this allows for hugely more efficient browsing if you follow more than one link per page.

Imagine googling for a specific subject. You open the first five links and keep the results page open for further searching if by some strange impossibility the first five results werent what you're looking for. So now you hit ctrl-pagedown to go to the next tab, which has the first search result. You quickly glance over the page but it isn't what you were looking for. ctrl-w closes the tab.
Now with the old behaviour, the tab to the left would be focused. But you don't want that tab! You want the next result. So you have to manually focus the next tab again (oh, bother). And when you close that one, the same friggin first tab focuses and you once more have to manually go to the next one...
With the new behaviour however, the tab to the right gets the focus - when you're done with the first search result and close the tab - the second search result shows. And when you're done with that one, the third one shows. No other actions needed than closing tabs.

Imagine the use of this for reading forums, or archived mailinglists, or... well, everything that consists of a collection of links where it matters in which order you read them. Yes, it is somewhat disconcerting to see the behaviour change like that when you were used to the old way - but change is good! Give it a few minutes, really try to see the use of it, and you'll almsot certainly come to see that the new way to do this is a vast improvement.

Re:But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[SmileyBen]

So long as you're happy to use tabs to hold your news sites (which most people love after about three days usage):

1) Open each site in a tab.
2) Click Bookmarks | Bookmark this group of tabs.
3) Place resulting bookmark on your personal toolbar.

Galeon2

[daserver]

Galeon 2 is under development but it's still not there. Come on, I really need a great browser for gnome2 :) http://galeon.sourceforge.net/galeon2/

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[Aanallein]

I don't think it's ever been ctrl-tab. Maybe in multizilla - but not in mozilla. ctrl-tab has been used for switching the focus between frames/location bar since at least the 4.x days, and this is not going to change.

However, as you mentioned, everything is configurable. In this case, you need to create a file called userHTMLBindings.xml in the res/builtin/ directory and edit it according to the instructions found here [mozilla.org].

Re:But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[snake_dad]

A theme that more closely matches the award winning Windows look-and-feel would also be helpful.

A theme that more closely matches the award winning Windows look-and-feel [mozdev.org]. :)

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[mr3038]

And it [shortcut to change between tabs] used to be ^tab, but they changed it. I don't know why.

See Mozilla keyboard navigation [mozilla.org]. See also Mozilla bug #103796 (no direct linking to bugzilla [mozilla.org].) Basically only windows had standard shortcuts for stuff like that and it happened to be CTRL+Page Up/Down and the moz dev team decided to copy it. CTRL+TAB was decided to be used to navigate between frames. However, for me changing between different tabs is more important action than changing between different frames with keyboard. What's the simplest way to swap those shortcuts? Can I add something to user.js or is it something harder? Usually I use mouse gestures for the tab switching...

Mozilla advocacy you can wear

[cgrayson]

They're still there, and they still being sold at (Cafe Press's) cost: ShirtZilla [cafepress.com]

Use checkinstall!

[Moritz Moeller - Her]

http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/

Checkinstall is a god-send. You can install everything from source and get an automatic RPM/DEB package built AND installed at the same time.

Deinstall anything cleanly and it even checks broken dependencies!

I never type
su -c "make install"
anymore, for me it is
su -c checkinstall

That is easier to type, too. :-)

Re:themes

[Anonymous Coward]

before you could apply themes without rebooting, but that 'feature' has been taken away, why aren't there many themes either? can't be that hard?

Yes, that was a while ago. There was a bug to do with the themes (specifically the location bar and surrounding environs) critically screwing up when the user changed themes on-the-fly. So the Mozilla team prioritised and removed that feature rather than spend yonks of time on trying to get it working properly. Someone will probably get around to fixing it eventually, any volunteers? :-)

Re:Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[Aanallein]

Bug requests for a pref on this have been shot down before (for example bug 131037), but if you submit a new bug where you clearly explain the way you're browsing and why in that scenario the new closing method is undesirable, you might have a chance. Don't go into a lot of options - only request left-to-right versus right-to-left with a hidden pref.

You can also just fix the behaviour yourself. If you only try a new mozilla version every few months it'd be worth it. I'm asuming you use windows for the following - if you use linux you should be able to figure out the differences yourself:
In your mozilla/chrome directory (note: mozilla itself, not the profile) there's a file toolkit.jar - backup this file and then unzip it in its current location - so you have subdirectories chrome/toolkit/content/... Open the file tabbrowser.xml in your favorite text-editing program (notepad should do) and locate the line:
else if (index == this.mPanelContainer.childNodes.length - 1)
this should be on line 761. Edit it to:
else if (index > 0)
save and rezip to toolkit.jar. Make certain the directory structure is the same as it was before - so all content in the zipfile is located in a subdirectories with content/ being the first subdirectory.
Run mozilla and enjoy tabs that close from right to left. If somehow this doesn't work (most likely a problem with how you zipped the archive) restore the backup and try again.

Re:Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[Aanallein]

More to the point, why isn't there an individual tab close button as part of each tab?

It's been proposed (of course) and this was marked wontfix - this gets way too crowded (you should have seen the mockup screenshots - created by the people actually proposing this) and makes it likely you accidentally close tabs when meaning to switch between them.
Middle-click on the tab itself (or ctrl-w) to close tabs will have to do. And indeed these options do so admirably. :)

Re:The Only Thing Else I Want

[Aanallein]

Please, please, please can I have the ability to rearrange the bookmarks live as in IE, rather than going to the bookmark editor every time.

You can in the bookmarks menu on the personal toolbar - it's only regular menus that aren't editable (yet).

Download from giFT/OpenFT

[RPoet]

mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-1.1.tar.gz can be had from giFT/OpenFT [sf.net]. Hash 41f7588955a35a0bafa63426eae04dc8.

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[Zathrus]

If you want popup killing (and ad killing, and lots of other nifty stuff), try The Proxomitron [cjb.net]. Has worked pretty flawlessly for me (and bypass mode fixes things when it becomes overzealous). I need to spend some time learning how to selectively disable it though -- I don't mind ads on some sites (like /.).

For tabbed browsing, try MyIE2 or CrazyBrowser -- it's not a must for me so I haven't bothered trying either.

Of course, people will inevitably whine that Mozilla comes with all of this built in while you have to download add ons for IE. Which is amazingly hypocritical, since the traditional Unix mantra is that small programs that extend functionality are better than monolithic programs. Yes, I know Mozilla is extensible as well, but to bash IE for being extensible to include additional functionality is just bashing for bashing's sake.

Your complaint about Mozilla and the middle mouse button seems off. This is not a function of Mozilla - it's a function of your drivers. Tell your drivers to make middle click middle click instead of autoscroll, then Mozilla should treat it properly.

Re:Modular updates .. That would be a charm ..

[BZ]

Use the net installer.

Re:Wrong forum, but I'll ask anyhow

[re-Verse]

The Customizing mozilla page is also very useful. You can change nearly everything from there.

Customizing Mozilla [mozilla.org]

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[Anonymous Coward]

Delete your profile to clear up the missing DLL error messages.

Mozilla theme

[weird mehgny]

Get this theme. [mozdev.org] Very, very smooth and clean. Several amplitudes better than the default theme. It's surprising that Mozilla doesn't come with this supplied as a standard...

Open Link in Tab

[Flave]

In Mozilla's Windows version 1.0, right-clicking on a link brought up the 'Open in New Tab' item at the top of the popup menu. With version 1.1, this is now the second item in the popup menu. If you liked the old way, have a look at this Google thread [google.com].

Mozilla I/O design needs rework

[Anonymous Coward]

By closely observing Mozilla I/O behavior on Win32 platform, I conclude that Mozilla I/O design needs serious rework. As of now, Mozilla I/O uses enormous amount of handles (>2000) in a typical Win32 setup. I believe this is the major reason why Mozilla is that damn slow on Win32 platform.

easy to fix!

[Felipe Hoffa]

Remember its open source, you can adapt it to your own needs.

Just take the file piemenu.js in mozilla/chrome/radialcontext/content and change this line:

this.labelTrigger= setTimeout("PieMenu.prototype.act.showLabels();", 900);

The timeout is fixed in 900 by default, you can make it lower.

While you are there you can find a lot of options, just don't be afraid to try.

Fh

UA Bar

[Dave2 Wickham]

You may find the User Agent Bar useful - http://uabar.mozdev.org/. It has several presets (Moz, NS7/6, IE6/5, NS4.7 and AOL, all with different versions and OSs) and you can enter your own if you want.

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[astrosmash]

The only thing I miss from IE is the auto fill-in when entering data in a form. That saved me a lot of typing. Mozilla's fill-in seems to only work on some pages, and then it only remembers one answer. IE lets remembers all of my answers to a single field.

Have you tried "Edit->Fill In Form" from the main menu? That's where Mozilla keeps all of your saved form info. It works reasonably well most of the time, but it's not exactly intuative.

I remember reading somewhere that work was underway to make form auto-filling more intuative, similar to what IE does, but I don't know if any work has actually been done or not -- it may have just been talk.

GNU Stow

[ghazban]

I use gnu stow personally, makes it very easy to manage, and keeps those 'packages' that you build seperate from poluting the package database.

Re:Before uninstallation...

[cjpez]

It's under the preferences somewhere . . . Just uncheck "Use Radial Thingamajiggers" or whatever. It's not quite the same thing as uninstalling, but it does the trick.

Re:Look for 1.2beta tommorow!

[asa]

At this rate you should save your bandwidth, and look for 1.2b tommorow night!

Actually, not quite that soon ;-) and not 1.2b. Mozilla 1.1alpha, however, is right around the corner. Expect to see it sometime in the next couple of weeks.

--Asa

Re:That's cool...

[asa]

it took them forever to reach 1.0 (although the 0.9 releases were already really good), but now they're releasing a 1.1 after only a short time

We branched for 1.0 around April 09. That day we began work on 1.1. Mozilla 1.1 was finished on August 26. That's more than 4 months of development.

We branched for 1.1 around August 05. That day we began work on Mozilla 1.2. We should be seeing a Mozilla 1.2alpha pretty soon.

--Asa

Re:Dynamically enable/disable plugins

[asa]

Try Jesse's Zap embeds bookmarklet [squarefree.com]. It's not perfect but I've come to depend on it. Just add the bookmarklet to your personal toolbar and whenever you visit a site with an annoying flash ad or java plugin just bonk on the personal toolbar link and the plugin gets zapped.

There are lots of great bookmarklets at Jesse's site. Take a look around and give some of them a try. I couldn't get by without them.

--Asa

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[AntiTuX]

type this into your textbox:

chrome://communicator/locale/wallet/index.html

Fill in your form, and go whoopass :)

Re:Source code tarball?!

[asa]

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozill a1.1/

If it's not there yet then it's not done yet. Check back later today.

--Asa

Re:How can I...

[tuffy]

If you mean running Mozilla without a window manager/desktop environment/etc., just make a .xsession file with these contents:

#!/bin/bash

mozilla http://nyse.com

Then make it executable. The result should be when the account is logged into, mozilla will start. And, when mozilla is exited, the account will log out. There'll be no window manager - just an X session with mozilla running. However, you may have to use moz's -height and -width options to get it to fit on the screen properly since there won't be a window manager to help you resize it.

Unless, of course, you have a different idea in mind.

Re:Is this version more buggy?

[asa]

Clean install doesn't touch your bookmarks and if you installed your plugins into your profile directory you'd be able to hold onto them (or just back up your plugins dir. if you're reading slashdot you should be able to do that).

--Asa

Re:shouldn't be modded as flamebait

[asa]

Yes, you do have to click and click and swipe.

If this is your big gripe about Mozilla then you're gonna love 1.1 because it works as you'd expect now.

--Asa

Re:Mozilla Quicklaunch

[Bonker]

Some components, such as the HTML renderer, are *never* swapped to disk because they are used to render parts of the desktop, especially under XP. Of course the memory footprint for these compenents is 'hidden' under the umbrella of Kernel memory.

Moz 1.1 sits in about 32mb of ram under normal conditions. This can swell or even double if you've got a bunch of tabs open or are loading a huge, graphically intense page. Also, ram allocated to plugins like Flash, etc.. is listed as still belonging to Mozilla, so that figure can rise dramatically, depending on the webpage.

Windows 2000, for comparison's sake, sits in about 64 mb of ram. XP has a footprint that's about 128mb wide, but a lot of that does get cached out... especially the multimedia components that are otherwise active all the time. Since Winnt4 without IE 4 or 5 will comfortably operate in 16mb or ram or less, I can only assume that most of the ram needed for Win2k and Xp are used by services or components related to Intenet Explorer, Media Player, and in some cases, Office.

Re:Mozilla theme

[WWWWolf]

My favorite is Lo-Fi classic [mozdev.org] - this is just about as clean as themes can get, and definitely should come with Mozilla! Sometimes show this to the (unregistered) Opera users to show how schweet and uncluttered and fast this thing can be. =)

Re:confirmation before closing content

[Julian352]

I can answer one of your questions:
"Bookmark all as one bookmark" is available in 1.0, but is made more apparent in 1.1
In 1.0, when you bookmark a page that is part of bookmarks, you have to use "File Bookmark" and then check the box to bookmark them all.
In 1.1, there's now a separate bookmark all tabs option in bookmark menu.

Re:Mouse gestures - misleading

[Leto2]

Go to "Edit / Preferences / Advanced / Mouse gestures" and de-select all modifier keys (Ctrl, Alt, Shift). I have my mouse gesture button set to the right button, so all I need to do for "back" is "right button + left", which works great. If you hold down the right button without moving / gesturing, you'll get your normal context menu.

Re:The only thing mozilla needs now is..........

[David Gerard]

What happens is that the performance is improved incrementally. 1% faster here, 2% faster there. Things that hurt performance 3% get backed out almost immediately. And so on.

What this means over the course of a year or so is a smaller, faster browser. Mozilla 1.0 was better in every way than Mozilla M18, but was much faster and actually had a smaller memory footprint.

Developers are looking out for bigger performance wins, but the incremental approach is producing results without stability tradeoffs.

Re:A requested feature by little ol me

[bluephone]

Try PrefBar [xulplanet.com] over at XULplanet [xulplanet.com]. It has exactly what you're looking for.