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JVC Announces Technology To Prevent Software Copying 536

An anonymous reader writes: "JVC and Hudson soft Co. of Japan have created a technology that they claim to have tested on 200 CD-ROM devices that prevents users from copying software CDs. They plan to have special encryption keys hidden in software and which are pressed onto CD-ROMs and which can not be read with ordinary procedures. They claim that the location, length and number of embedded keys can vary making it more difficult to hack."
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JVC Announces Technology To Prevent Software Copying

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @04:56PM (#4158957)
    I got my sharpie ready!
  • by Eric_Cartman_South_P ( 594330 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @04:58PM (#4158983)
    Wow... that makes this stuff as secure as, say, SSL or something! We'll never be able to backup our warez agai... oh, wait a sec...

  • by unicron ( 20286 ) <unicron AT thcnet DOT net> on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @04:59PM (#4158994) Homepage
    Mayor Quimby: Now that prohibition is over, how long will it take you to flood with town with booze?

    Homer: No thanks, I'm out of that business.

    Fat Tony(leaning in): About 6 minutes.
  • Re:how long (Score:5, Funny)

    by Ralph Wiggam ( 22354 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:03PM (#4159053) Homepage
    "So how long will it take to come up with "unordinary prodedures"."

    You might have to wait all the way until tomorrow.

  • by ArcSecond ( 534786 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:03PM (#4159056)
    Whenever I see these claims of "better, stronger, faster" anti-copying schemes, I wonder if these guys are noticing that the counter-anti-copiers develop new tactics faster than a bacterium can split in two.

    What would this scenario look like if we translated it into WarCraft 3?:

    "I AM THE MIGHTY THRALL! SEE THE INPENETRABLE WALL OF TURRETS THAT SURROUND MY BASE! I AM INVINCIBLE! NO-ONE WOULD DARE... HEY! STOP THAT! NOOOO!! PLEASE!! STOP!! ARRRRRGGGH!"

  • by Anonvmous Coward ( 589068 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:05PM (#4159074)
    ... I'm gonna start scanning my CD's. Eventually the DPI will be enough to make it work.
  • Re:So... (Score:5, Funny)

    by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:05PM (#4159079) Homepage Journal
    "D00d, th1$ izz AMERIKA. j00 g0t n0 r1g|-|t$!! "

    I think reading your post caused me to violate the DMCA.
  • Misprint (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anne Thwacks ( 531696 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:07PM (#4159090)
    There was a misprint:

    This is actualy a system to prevent users from BUYING CDs.

  • by mblase ( 200735 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:17PM (#4159190)
    "The Root encryption deserves to be called fourth-generation encryption. It is different from existing, so-called third-generation encryption, [in that] the encryption keys can not be located easily," said a spokesman for Hudson Soft.

    Translation: "The encryption can't be beaten by current software. Consumers will have to upgrade to the next version of their CD-copying software to beat this."
  • by Hayzeus ( 596826 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:17PM (#4159191) Homepage
    I doubt this would be the way to defeat this cp scheme. The "keys" appear to be used to encrypt data the disk. Presumably, this data will need to be decrypted in order to get the SW to work.

    Also, these are "special" keys. As we all know, "special" keys cannot be broken by anybody. Otherwise they wouldn't be "special".

  • by phriedom ( 561200 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:24PM (#4159242)
    Me: So you've got this new CD that can't be copied, but I guess it sounds as good as a regular CD, right?
    Them: Yes, thats right, just as good as a regular CD, but you can't read it without our special proprietary hardware/software that knows how to decrypt the special key and read the music. Its safe that way. And if they break it, we can change the key and update the players.
    Me: So I can't use the equipment I know and love to listen to your music?
    Them: Well, no, but our music...
    Me: Hey look over there, music that doesn't make me jump through hoops. Bye.
    Them: wait...
  • Yup. One of these will work for sure. I already have Hard Hat Mac, Diamond Mine, Autoduel, Gemstone Warrior, and Rescue Raiders. Took about 5 minutes a disc, and there you go.

    My friend is coming over with Mario Bros., Spare Change, Pinball Contruction Set, and Archon II. I'm going to trade him Appleworks, and Leather Goddess of Phobos for those.


    Oh, wait. That was twenty years ago.

  • by Sebastopol ( 189276 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @05:55PM (#4159464) Homepage
    I've seen lots of posts that start with "sigh -- data is data and if i can read it, i can copy it".

    These people assume that the busses will always be interceptable, which is not true. MS and other hardware vendores are hard at work at their secure OS which would effectively halt any attempts to read anything but encrypted bits. From what I've read, I feel the secure platform is a reality and will very easily stop cracking/hacking dead in it's tracks.

    However, maybe when pirating is 100% eliminated, microsoft windows XP will cost $30 and not $300.

  • Re:Well (Score:5, Funny)

    by erasmus_ ( 119185 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @06:18PM (#4159649)
    Since you're so confident, let's make a deal.
    • I pay for your flight to my city.
    • You come equipped with lots of cash, which you show me before we begin for verification.
    • I show you to a workstation equipped with VB6 as well as VB.NET for your convenience. You are not allowed to use any materials you brought with you - this is a "from scratch" project.
    • You sit down and I then start the timer.
    • If in 5 minutes you have produced a close approximation of WinZip, including create/update capabilities for all archive types that it supports, Explorer right-click menu integration for easy extraction, ability to span disks, UUEncode support, and ability to view files and zip comments, I will give you $2000. If you've failed, you give me $4000.
    • Since I know you will fail, I will make it more interesting. Depending on your confidence level at the end of 5 minutes, I will let you extend the timer to 10 minutes. If you win, you get $4000, but fail again, and owe me $8000.
    • With some begging, I may extend the contest to 11 minutes, but you'd need to agree to tattoo "I will not badmouth quality shareware" somewhere on your body in an at least 12pt font.
    Let me know your thoughts please.
  • by Alsee ( 515537 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @06:21PM (#4159668) Homepage
    Tomorrows news today:

    "The Root encryption deserves to be called fifth-generation encryption. It is different from existing, so-called fourth-generation encryption, [in that] the CD carrying the encryption keys can not be located easily," said a spokesman for Vapor Soft.

    -
  • by poot_rootbeer ( 188613 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @06:29PM (#4159722)

    I don't know if that would work. Maybe instead of using regular light to scan the CD surface, you could use a laser, and instead of scanning the entire surface of the disc at once, you could spin the disc around and scan the disc one bit at a time...
  • by defile ( 1059 ) on Wednesday August 28, 2002 @11:21PM (#4161082) Homepage Journal

    Wager time. I'm betting...

    One week before researchers have produced code that can completely compromise all of the copy protection.

    One point five weeks before the elite technical community can get over the annoyances.

    Two weeks before software pirates can make copies without skipping a beat.

    Eight months of legitimate users being annoyed before the tech is pulled.

    Sprinkle random DMCA arrests and intimidation.

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