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Netscape 7.0 is Out 632

MrJones was one of many many users to submit that Netscape has released Navigator 7.0 unto the world. With their dwindling market share, it'll be interesting to see what affect this has on internet users. But here's hoping it makes a dent.
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Netscape 7.0 is Out

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  • by ChazeFroy ( 51595 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:56PM (#4165312) Homepage
    There's no anti-javascript popup ads support. I'm sticking with Mozilla [mozilla.org].
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:57PM (#4165317)
    The CNET review of 7.0 is here [cnet.com].

    Title: Don't switch browsers

    Summary:
    We had high hopes for Netscape 7.0, but we're sorely disappointed, especially by the missing pop-up suppressor. There's no practical reason to switch from either IE or Mozilla.
  • by Mongr ( 238 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:58PM (#4165332) Homepage
    Data shows Netscape browser usage down to just 3.4%

    Microsoft's rival browser, Internet Explorer, by contrast, has an estimated 96%
    of the market, according to Internet research firm WebSideStory.

    http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0%2C4902%2C7 38 50%2C0.html?nlid=AM
  • by mwjlewis ( 602559 ) <matthew&mwjl,com> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @02:59PM (#4165333) Homepage
    Here [netscape.com] is the Netscape 7 reviewers guide. (PDF)
  • by edgrale ( 216858 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:00PM (#4165351)
    So that you wont have to /. mozillazine.org here's the text with links:

    Netscape Communications Corporation today launched the final version of Netscape 7.0. This latest release is based on Mozilla 1.0.1, making it the first Netscape browser to be built upon post-1.0 code. The new version boasts several enhancements over the 0.9.4-based Netscape 6.2, including tabbed browsing, the ability to save complete web pages, print preview, site icons (Favicons), a download manager, full screen mode (Windows only), Quick Search within Mail Newsgroups and Address Book, return receipts, mail labels, (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) S/MIME mail encryption, CSS support in Composer and one-click web page publishing.

    Netscape 7.0 also has several features not found in Mozilla. These include the ability to access Netscape Webmail and AOL accounts directly from within Mail Newsgroups, a button to easily toggle the display of My Sidebar in Navigator and P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) support for automated cookie handling. Improved instant messaging features including file transfers, Buddy Alerts and Buddy Icons are provided by AOL Instant Messenger for Netscape and ICQ for Netscape. There's also a round throbber with a cool animation.

    Netscape 7.0 can be downloaded from Netscape's web site [netscape.com] or FTP server [netscape.com]. More details can be found at Netscape Browser Central [netscape.com] or in the Release Notes [netscape.com].
  • NS7.0 vs Mozilla (Score:5, Informative)

    by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:00PM (#4165354)
    Before anyone asks, the primary reason to use Netscape over Mozilla is stability. Netscape releases are traditionally clobbered a lot harder than Mozilla which means they crash less. End users like that. It also has some extra frills like AIM/ICQ integration, a spellchecker and links to AOL content such as their Spinner/Radio and My Netscape etc..


    If you prefer bleeding edge code with more bugs then use Mozilla. It doesn't have any of the above and has the popup blocker UI. Web developers will also appreciate stuff like the DOM inspector and JS Debugger modules.

  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:02PM (#4165370)
    Yes there is, there is just no UI for it. If you want to enable support then read this [ufaq.org] or search for a popup blocker ui extension.
  • Re:Yes, but ... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Jeffrey Baker ( 6191 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:03PM (#4165372)
    Guess you are just ignorant, dude. IBM RS/6000 workstations [ibm.com]
  • by joncarwash ( 600744 ) <jonathanwhodges@Nospam.gmail.com> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:04PM (#4165377) Homepage

    From the article, it appears as though they are testing Netscape 7 to be included with the next AOL version. If this indeed goes through (and finally replaces IE, which has been included in AOL because of an agreement with MS from just before AOL purchased Netscape), this will surely make dent due to the large AOL subscription base.

    Although Mozilla [mozilla.org] has been available for a while and is a favorite among developers, it accounts for little among regular users. Netscape is much more recognized by name and will be advertised like crazy (banner already up on cnn.com [cnn.com]).

    Also, Microsoft's upcoming Win XP update will include the option of providing alternate "middleware" including browsers. According to this article [com.com], Netscape 7 will be compatible with Win XP's alternate Middleware option. This should give PC makers as well as end users the option to switch without lots of hassle.

  • by Ravagin ( 100668 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:05PM (#4165387)

    One of the main challenges faced in getting users to use standards-compliant browsers over obsolete programs such as Netscape 4-series is also the computers. At places still using older systems or franken-systems, Moz (may just be too hefty for Windows. It doesn't seem as much of a problem on PCs, because IE is available, but many people still use NS4 for the mail client (and I cannot in good conscience tell them that Moz's is overwhelmingly superior, despite weird stuff like NS4 Mail encoding all messages in Rot13 [sameperson.net] by accident). It is an even bigger challenge with Macs, because many older Macs just won't comfortably run IE/mac, so NS4/mac is the browser of choice for aging Macs.

    But saturating the market with standards-compliant browsers is helpful anyway. I could only wish more people knew about Mozilla, for their sake.

  • by edgrale ( 216858 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:06PM (#4165415)
    http://ufaq.org/files/adblocker.xpi

    I have not tried it with the final version of Netscape 7, but it should work unless they've blocked it some how.
  • Re:Yes, but ... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:07PM (#4165420)
    It's a shame you can't delete your own posts isn't it?

    Go onto ebay.com, and take a look. You'll find RS/6000s come/came in all shapes and sizes, including standard desktop configurations.

    AS/400s may be different, I haven't checked. But the RS/6000 was widely marketed as a workstation unit, and some versions even look like those old PS/2 units.

    Posted as an AC because you'd probably want to correct your own posting rather than have everyone reading some smartRS/6000 correcting you, and because this is off topic.

    Please, moderators, don't mod this up. Mod PotPieMan's correction up when it comes.

  • Re:It won't, sadly. (Score:3, Informative)

    by sconest ( 188729 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:10PM (#4165448) Homepage
    You can restore the feature with this [ufaq.org]
  • by iamsure ( 66666 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:10PM (#4165449) Homepage
    YES, they fixed that evil bug. I can report that after 24 hours of testing, on 1.0 I would see it at least twice an hour (if not more), and on 1.1, I do NOT see it any longer.

    If you wanna search bugzilla for the bug, feel free.
  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:11PM (#4165456)
    Netscape 7.0 is based off the extremely stable Mozilla 1.0 branch and pounded on for months to make it even more stable.


    Mozilla 1.1 is more cutting edge and therefore has a few cute new features but will definitely have a lower MTBF.


    In other words its horses for courses. Either take the features, or take the stability.

  • Re:NS7.0 vs Mozilla (Score:2, Informative)

    by iksowrak ( 208577 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:14PM (#4165482)
    Netscape 7.0 isn't any more stable than the Mozilla 1.0.1 it's based on. Release candidates, betas and nightly builds of Mozilla are the (potentially) unstable builds.
  • by Goldberg's Pants ( 139800 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:19PM (#4165525) Journal
    I would have to point out that that seems to be misleading. I've had more crashes with Netscape in one week than I have had in Mozilla in two months (and I use Mozilla MORE).

    I've yet to find a bug in Mozilla (since the aforementioned fucky webpages above crash Netscape as well).

    Actually, to be fair, there is one problem with Mozilla. When you go to the official Neverwinter Nights website, the pages render as a black screen. Since that's the ONLY site that does that, that would suggest to me it's bad web design rather than a bug.
  • by clarkc3 ( 574410 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:20PM (#4165527)
    I'm surprised to see netscape is still around

    Netscape Still gives a person the choice to have a browser that comes with a mail client that supports imap. Thats one reason we use it where I work as a sysadmin. Its easy to create and manage profiles for all our users in a matter of seconds, and has great support for using ldap for an address book.

  • Re:NS7.0 vs Mozilla (Score:5, Informative)

    by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:21PM (#4165536)
    It isn't Mozilla 1.0.1. Development continued on the branch and it received a whole slew of fixes that never appeared in Mozilla. All of these are a result of extra testing and nail stability and compatibility even further.


    By comparison, Mozilla 1.1 is based off the trunk where the controls on checkins are much less strict and the QA is less intensive.


    This means while Mozilla is also an excellent browser, there will be bugs introduced that weren't caught and the chances of crashes or weird behaviour are higher. This might not be an issue for power users, but end users probably care less about the bleeding edge features than about stability. Netscape 7.0 also ties into AOL/Netscape content which is also handy if you want to immediately start using the browser for reading the news, shopping, finding recipes, talking to friends etc.

  • Netscape on solaris. (Score:3, Informative)

    by frodo from middle ea ( 602941 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:21PM (#4165538) Homepage
    Netscape on solaris is supported by SUN. The latest version available on Solaris is 6.2.3 u can get it from
    Netscape On Solaris [sun.com]
    Also solaris mozilla binaries take about 4-5 weeks before they are available on mozilla.org. And building it from source is pain in the A$$.
  • by yerricde ( 125198 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:27PM (#4165571) Homepage Journal

    That's the difference between the browser Mozilla and the company Netscape? How do you compare a browser to a company?

    The Internet suite distributed by Netscape Communications, a unit of AOL(tw), is called "Netscape" [netscape.com]. Version 4.x was called "Communicator". It began to be officially known as "Netscape" starting with version 6.

    Ooooh! You meant the difference between Mozilla and Navigator, right?

    From Mozilla 1.1, I pull down the Window menu, and I see the word "Navigator". I guess both Netscape and Mozilla use the term "Navigator" to refer to the web browser component.

  • by fizbin ( 2046 ) <martin@s[ ]plow.org ['now' in gap]> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:30PM (#4165600) Homepage
    I had turned popups on (a blog comment page required them) and forgotten about it. Visiting Netscape's page pops up a BIG HUGE ad for Netscape 7.
  • by lynnroth ( 213826 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:32PM (#4165610) Homepage
    Check out CrazyBrowser [crazybrowser.com]. Tabbed browsing, popup blocker, etc. Based off of IE, but has a lot of the nice features of Mozilla.

  • by nrosier ( 99582 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @03:46PM (#4165694)
    There's a beta version of Netscape 7 available for Solaris. You can find it at Sun Microsystems [sun.com]'s webpage.
  • Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Scripts & Windows -> Uncheck "Open Unrequested Windows".

    You might want to check the other features there, too. :-)

    Now where's this bannerblind function you speak of? Sounds interesting.
  • just tried ns7 (Score:2, Informative)

    by pizza_milkshake ( 580452 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:00PM (#4165818)
    i could not find anything that ns7 had that mozilla 1 doesn't (except for bundled "AOL Free & Unlimited" and RealAudio icons everywhere after install). in fact, there's no straight-forward way to disable popup ads (I've noticed netscape.com has several), whereas in mozilla you can. the whole download -> install -> try -> uninstall cycle took about 20 minutes.
  • Re:EFFECT (Score:2, Informative)

    by balloonhead ( 589759 ) <doncuan.yahoo@com> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:06PM (#4165866)
    That's funny. Mod this up. The only one who knows what the nouns affect means out of the lot of you, by the looks of things.

    Affect is to mood what climate is to weather.

  • by Lysander Luddite ( 64349 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:11PM (#4165906)
    They support it because some large companies require Netscape 4 for apps built in house.
  • by idontneedanickname ( 570477 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:19PM (#4165962)
    Then again anything is better than IE. Plus, you CAN turn on popup-blocking. Most people just don't know how.

    (btw, shouldn't people like the reporters for CNET do some basic google'ing before they say it doesn't have popup-blocking, I mean it's not that hard to find this. [ufaq.org]
  • Re:NS7.0 vs Mozilla (Score:4, Informative)

    by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:28PM (#4166023)
    Well as a Mozilla developer I know that isn't true. The plain fact is it *has* been tested and stabilized more.


    NS7.0 isn't everyones cup of tea (an understatement on Slashdot), but it is much more suitable for end users and workplace use than Mozilla.

  • by ayden ( 126539 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:56PM (#4166249) Homepage Journal
    There has been spell checker for Mozilla for some time now. You can download the mozilla spell checker from mozdev.org [mozdev.org].

    The site claims that the spellchecker should land in the mozilla tree probably right after 1.0. I guess it's late... but you can still download it yourself.
  • by ChrisWong ( 17493 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @04:59PM (#4166277) Homepage
    From their release notes:


    Opening Radio@Netscape may instead open a blank window if you share a profile with Mozilla. Workaround: Remove the following line from prefs.js:

    user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);


    It seems Radio@Netscape depends on popups to work.
  • by Nerull ( 586485 ) <nerull AT tds DOT net> on Thursday August 29, 2002 @05:20PM (#4166426)
    It is a Mozilla addon, you can get it from http://bannerblind.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

    It looks at all the images on a page, and checks them against a list of normal banner sizes (which you can modify, add, delete, etc.), and hides the images that match those sizes, thus hiding most banner ads :)
  • Spellchecker anyone? (Score:3, Informative)

    by cornice ( 9801 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @05:30PM (#4166506)
    You can get get the Linux spellchecker.xpi [netscape.com] and the Windows spellchk.xpi [netscape.com] from the Netscape FTP site along with some other options that aren't included with Mozilla. Yea, I know that there is a spellchecker project for Mozilla but it's not really ready yet - and my wife is really complaining about it.
  • Re:Slashdot effect? (Score:2, Informative)

    by guanxi ( 216397 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @05:32PM (#4166518)
    Like refusing to access SSL pages

    I don't think that's been a problem in Moz for a long time, maybe a year. I use it all the time
  • by unixmaster ( 573907 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @05:37PM (#4166542) Journal
    First search , then troll! http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ It now supports remote servers so that you dont have to use calendar data on local drive!
  • Re:Bankers Irony (Score:5, Informative)

    by Conare ( 442798 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @05:49PM (#4166608) Journal
    Mod parent up! The reason that the recent IE certificate bug [thoughtcrime.org] exists at all is that they don't follow the standard. [ietf.org]
    A certificate using system MUST reject the certificate if it encounters a critical extension it does not recognize
    IE does not process the critical basicConstraints extension (as well as others) and still accepts the certificate. Netscape (even back to version 4) will reject a critical extension that it does not recognize.
  • by k8to ( 9046 ) on Thursday August 29, 2002 @06:40PM (#4166915) Homepage

    It's true that affect and effect have noun and verb forms each. However, it's also true that 90% of the time, effect is a noun while affect is a verb.

    Common usage inclues:
    What will be the effects of this action?
    What things will this action affect?

    Because they are used in a related context so frequently, it does not surprise me that people have trouble with them, hence the simple rule of thumb: effect == noun, affect == verb.

    In truth of course, you can 'effect' to bring into being, and something may have an 'affect', meaning an assumed aspect, perhaps even a pretentious one. In practice, these words are uncommon enough (though not rare) that many people are completely unaware of them.

    And probably yes, especially Americans. Our poor schools :-(

  • by superyooser ( 100462 ) on Friday August 30, 2002 @02:03AM (#4168370) Homepage Journal
    The functionality is in the code, but there's no way to access it from the GUI menu-based preferences. You have to set some "hidden" preferences like this by manually editing the file where your preferences are stored.

    Look for these lines in the prefs.js file in your profile directory, and make sure that they have the values indicated below. If the lines don't exist, just copy and paste the lines below into your prefs.js file.

    user_pref("capability.policy.default.Window.open", "noAccess");
    user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true);

    For lots of details about prefs, go here [mozilla.org].

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