Netscape 7.0 is Out 632
MrJones was one of many many users to submit that Netscape has released
Navigator 7.0 unto the world. With their dwindling market share, it'll be interesting to see what affect this has on internet users. But here's hoping it makes a dent.
Yes, but ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Some of us have SPARCs on our desk. Or PA-RISC machines. Or RS6k's.
These were all supported with Communicator
NS7 is useless to me till I can run it on these platforms...
--NBVB
Re:What's the difference between it and Mozilla? (Score:4, Insightful)
Steroptypical response (Score:5, Insightful)
"yeah, big deal, it's based on Mozilla 1.0 when the Mozilla Organization just released 1.1, kudos to Netscape's already outdated browser".
Yes, but a lot of the time it's easier to:
1- have users download the familiar Netscape product instead of "that mozilla dinosaur thingy".
2- Introduce Netscape to organizations; at least it's a familiar name and brand for them.
I'm a rabid mozilla user, but still I'm pleased to see that Netscape is still alive, if maybe under AOL's life support infrastructure.
AOL AOL AOL (Score:4, Insightful)
Think of what might happen if the gazillions of AOL users started using Netscape when they upgrade to the next version of AOL!!!!!
AOL has the power to change the browser demographics of the web.
Re:6, 6.1, 7? (Score:5, Insightful)
Netscape 6 was based on mozilla 0.9.4 which is pretty old now.
Two Words (Score:2, Insightful)
Mozilla needs to be advertised! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why use Netscape (Score:2, Insightful)
Maybe you're not a computer geek and you've never heard of Mozilla, but you know the guy down the hall who does all the website stuff is always complaining about Netscape 4 and you want to upgrade....
Netscape popularity a problem for webmasters ? (Score:3, Insightful)
I was a NN user two years ago, when I had no alternative. Today, let's face it : NN4.* is crap. I mean IE is not the best browser for specs compliance, and crashes quite often. But NN4.* doesn't even support CSS1, which is really a shame if we plan to use HTML4.01 Strict. Opera is quite a good, rapid, nice browser, but since the free version has a banner and since it's not on the ISP CDs, it will never make it amongst beginners.
[ right, you'll have noticed that I only speak about windows, since any normal linux user will use a recent Mozilla (or galeon & co) or Konqueror. I'm talking about people who don't even know what a setup.exe is. ]
So the problem is : I've never seen any ISP shipping its CD with a NN >4 browser. Since NN6 is such a sloooow program, it's not much of a surprise, I agree. We'll see what NN7 will change in this business.
However, the fact is : many internet users are beginners, and many beginners use the browser they were given in the first place (IE5 or NN, maybe they prefer NN because of its mail client which is less effective in virus auto-install). What's wrong with that ?
NN4 *is* deprecated. I mean it doesn't support recent standards. So if you are a webmaster, and that you or your customers want the majority of the people to be able to view your website, you have no choice but make your HTML code NN4 compliant. And to some extent, recent-standards-non-compliant.
I wouldn't be whinning about that here if my customer didn't make me recode his website to make it NN4 compliant (wow, great creepy code with tables, frames, and all).
A solution would be for the ISP to *stop* distributing this old NN version with their CDs. Mozilla is mature enough to replace it, isn't it ? Or even a recent NN version
Let's hope ISP will wake up, eventually, and update their CDs so that we'll finally be able to use the new possibilities the W3C has been working on for two years
User Agent string not always valid (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:and? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Please, AOLTW, switch to NS from IE for AOL.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Shouldn't do that (Score:5, Insightful)
If you must do it, the least you could do is email the site and let them know they are losing potential customers. At least then there is a chance that they will fix the markup and so next mozilla user to come along won't have to change their UA string.
Netscape ~= Mozilla (Score:2, Insightful)
So it is important that Netscape survives.
Re:Netscapes Market Share Down to 3.4% (Score:5, Insightful)
because everyone sets their browser ident to IE...
because everyone thinks that IE is all anyone uses...
because everyone sets their browser ident to IE...
because everyone thinks that IE is all anyone uses...
For Gods sake, people, don't set Konq/Moz/Opera to say it's IE, or we'll never get a true picture. And, if a site doesn't let you in as your true self, don't go to the site, and send them an email telling them that you didn't.
Re:CNet Review - "Don't switch browsers" (Score:3, Insightful)
As posted here [ufaq.org] on slashdot, there is a way to disable pop-ups. Sounds like CNET had a bone to pick.
Methodology? (Score:2, Insightful)
Can we harass the CapitalOne's??? (Score:3, Insightful)
Does such a website exist? Maybe if we got together we could email these people and thier bosses to get them to support Netscape.
Does such a website exist?
Bankers Irony (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:AOL AOL AOL (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:CNet Review - "Don't switch browsers" (Score:2, Insightful)
We had high hopes for Netscape 7.0, but we're sorely disappointed, especially by the missing pop-up suppressor. There's no practical reason to switch from either IE or
This is the secret key to Netscape's success, if only it could have pop-up suppression, we would also have a borwer war. I can't tell you how many times my IE using buddies see me use galeon, and when they don't see pop-ups, they say, "That is so cool, i need that." Think about it AOL replaces IE with Netscape with pop-up suppression... bingo!
Re: Valid HTML? (Score:1, Insightful)
The problem is that incorrect HTML results in UNDEFINED behavior, so browsers have to take a "best guess" at what the author means. IE may guess one thing, Mozilla may guess another, and Opera may guess something else. And you know what? None are more correct than the other, because there is no clear right answer. The word "dor" is spelled wrong. What word am I trying to spell? Dog? Dot? Door? For? Something else completely? That's the problem. Sure, for simple things like bold and italics tags not nested properly, you can probably figure it out, but most bad html is much much worse. People leave off closing tags, etc.
Mozilla renders 99.9% of pages I visit correctly, and that's more than enough for me. While writing HTML and CSS, I've found all sorts of IE specific quirks. I'm sure others have stumbled on them, too, but they get coded around! You don't see IE's flaws because people are dumb and write only for IE.