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87GB On DVD-Sized Media 354

BostonMACOSX points to this report in the Detroit News that says, in part, "Boston College researchers have found a way to store about 19 times more data on a disk than a common DVD can hold, using optical media made with common products, the December issue of Nature Materials reports." And it's a mix of high and low tech: the disk is formed of "an epoxy glue sold at hardware stores and a glass-like substance," but written with a currently expensive laser.
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87GB On DVD-Sized Media

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  • backup (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 14, 2002 @05:43PM (#4672209)
    Sounds like this could replace tape drives for backup, if it's cheap enough
  • Well... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Flyskippy1 ( 625890 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @05:44PM (#4672224) Homepage
    I must say that this will be good for backing up my harddrive, but when else will I really have an opportunity to fill the entire thing up?

    One can only use so much porn....
  • by g00z ( 81380 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @05:47PM (#4672262) Homepage
    You know, I've been waiting a damn long time for a optical storage solution that catches up to the size the will make backing up todays hard drives (40 Gigs and Up) a realistic possibility. 700 Megs just isn't cutting the mustard anymore when were talking about trying to back up 200+ Gigs worth of data.

    I Currently have about 1.4 TB of data sitting here in my room on CD-R right now, and let me tell you -- it's getting out of hand. DVD writables are not a solution (Too little, too late theory). I would love nothing more than to consolidate the 13 200 CD Cases I have here into something a little bit more compact.

    I've seen a couple of companies working on something like this (Optical CD-Sized solution that stores around 100 GB). Anybody have any theories to when the common dude can roll down to compusa (pick your posion) and snag a few blank 100 GB Disks for a reasonable price? I'm starting to feel like it's 1995 again when a 1.4M Floppy disk was as good as it got.

  • burnable media (Score:2, Interesting)

    by datsclark ( 46380 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @05:49PM (#4672279)
    It seems as though every so often someone comes out with a new form of media storage which reflects our current style, as well as about the standard size of storge. I remember when DVD's were announced, i had two 9 GB harddrive in my PC. Now i have two 80 GB drives.
    And by the time this comes out, or something like it, it will cost considerably too much for a while, and then it will be fairly priced and it will be a norm that we find boring. The RIAA will have a fit about it.
    I think that new generations of storage media that use entierly new technologies, that really push the envelope, will be the real exciting times.
  • Screw Media (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bkruiser ( 610285 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @05:52PM (#4672319)
    Why are we looking for Media Solutions... Data should all be Stored Dynamically. I need a 10t store at "Yahoo" (pick your flavor) for $5 amonth with a data access rate in the 5ms range accessable from any spot on earth, by me and anyone else I so desire. - anyone working on that?
  • Question (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mpost4 ( 115369 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @05:54PM (#4672330) Homepage Journal

    Other then people doing video work, at this time who really needs this kind of storage.

    I have a 20Gb mp3 player and I still have not filled it 1/2 way.

    I would hope that a system would never need more then 15Gb for a full useful install (included a suit of programs for use to be productive)

    With the above listed size I would hope a system would never need, a 20 Gb system would still have 5Gb for user data, a 40 Gb system would leave 25 Gb for user data. (admittedly some specialty apps such as cad systems would need more storage, but here I am thinking more on the lines of home users, maybe I am wrong thinking there, maybe these systems are targeting business then I can see the use, databases can get very large)

    Also how is the speed of this DVD?
    What applications would you see for use of this technology?
  • I hate to say it... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Cervantes ( 612861 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @06:03PM (#4672432) Journal
    I really do, because I hate the "old news" posters, but I do recall seeing this for CDs. A guy in check-o-slow-va-kia (those who've seen the show will get the joke) made a multilayer CD that could hold gigs worth of data. It was revolutionary, but was derided because HD's were getting so large. Why do I think the same thing will happen here? (after everyone is done the pr0n jokes)
  • pondering... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by zonker ( 1158 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @06:10PM (#4672480) Homepage Journal
    last night i was watching the new extended release of lotr's and was thinking about how nice the transfer was [widescreenreview.com]. early dvd's had lots of different problems, from crummy software that caused lots of jaggies and bad color representation to poor bitrate. i started to wonder if the reason why the problems with the css encrpytion may have been a compromise due to earlier size limits to the standard. as i understand it (correct me if i'm wrong) data that is encrypted tends to grow in size compared to the original. if you already are pushing the bounds of the data that can fit on a disc then encrypting it with larger keys will increase the size of the data (again, please correct me if i'm totally off my rocker and have no idea what i'm saying... quite possible). so as a compromise a smaller key was chosen (48 bit) as a compromise between size of data and the storage capacity of the disc (at the time). also a smaller key would mean less chip processing power, meaning cheaper chips, meaning less costly machines (meaning a less secure encryption method). anyway, it's a thought...
  • I have a dream (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lemmeoutada Collecti ( 588075 ) <obereon@gmail.cAAAom minus threevowels> on Thursday November 14, 2002 @06:48PM (#4672798) Homepage Journal
    I have a dream... imagine a drive where all the necessary OS files are stored, not a byte of them on the Hard Drive... then imagine that the configurations and other changable files ONLY are stored on the HDD. Now imagine upgrading your entire OS just by changing the disc in the drive...
  • by zejackal ( 186296 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @06:49PM (#4672803)

    I don't know about you folks, but I'm of the opinion that the CD/DVD format is on it's way out. I don't mean that CD's or DVD's are going away, simply that newer denser media won't look like those disks. The problem is this, as the spacial density of the data on the disk increases, the impact due to scratching increases. Instead of obliterating x number of bits, a scratch on a more dense media obliterates many times x bits.

    This can be mitigated by using error correcting codes. The cost of these codes is that the number of bits required to represent the same amount of real data goes up. At some point on the density curve we will reach a point where the amount of error correction bits required to make the media immune to most normal scratches will equal the added amount of information storage due to a higher density.

    We are already starting to see this with DVD's. How many times have you rented a DVD and it gets skippy and/or halts. Then when you eject it and look to see if it is scratched you see a few scratches that you know wouldn't even give your CD player pause were they to occur on a CD. That's because when the CD format was created they had a quarter inch rule in the standard. The error correction had to be able to withstand a quarter inch hole being punched in the CD. A DVD certainly can't handle that.

    What we will begin to find in our exposed media disks is that a higher and higher percentage of the available bit positions on the disk will have to be devoted to error correction. Thus a boost of n in the density won't corrispond to a boost in the actual amount of usable data stored on the disk. The solution, of course, is to put the media in a case, like a 3 1/2" disk for example. This mitigates the risk of actually scratching the disk and so we wouldn't need such a high degree of error correction. We would have those bits to store actual data in.

  • CD Scratch = Bad (Score:4, Interesting)

    by JojoLinkyBob ( 110971 ) <joeycato@gmail . c om> on Thursday November 14, 2002 @06:49PM (#4672808) Homepage
    Great for backing up your system, but depressing when you find out that "one little CD scratch" just wiped out a few hundred megs of important data.
  • by FuzzyDaddy ( 584528 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @06:54PM (#4672848) Journal
    We rent out videos for my daughter (3 yrs) - Blue's Clues and other semi-educational kids things. Each time, I sit there and fast forward through five minutes of promos for other crap (including Barney, which I vowed would never enter my house.)

    As annoying as it is now, if I couldn't fast forward through them, I wouldn't rent them. Period. I don't want her watching a bunch of commercials.

    And while she's clever, I'm not sure she's ready to log into our linux box and watch them on the computer. :)

  • by swb ( 14022 ) on Thursday November 14, 2002 @07:35PM (#4673230)
    It's the whole gig/meg/kilo number thing.

    If 1K = 1024, then 1M = 1K * 1024 and 1G = 1M * 1024.

    In which case, 4.7GB should actually be 5,046,586,572 bytes.

    If you're the G=1,000,000,000 measurement school, then it should be 4,700,000,000 as you say, or 4.3GB in the 1024-base units, as I think a parent poster indicated.

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