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Gloss Plastic Could Eliminate Auto Painting 320

customs writes "There is a new plastic out from GE that covers plastic surfaces with a really good sheen. It's more resistant to scratches and random chemicals compared to conventional paint. It's actually a .5 mm polymer called Sollx; the Segway was the first semi-mass-produced product to use it, it has slender two tone fenders. Kinda cool. Auto painting is the industries largest manufacturing expense, and this could be what they're looking for...as soon as the price comes down."
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Gloss Plastic Could Eliminate Auto Painting

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  • by BgJonson79 ( 129962 ) <srsmith@alum.wBOYSENpi.edu minus berry> on Friday February 07, 2003 @11:55AM (#5250521)
    Does using painted sheet metal offer any kind of added structural strength to the car? Or is it so little that a strong frame with a polymer outside would do as well in a crash?
  • CDs? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ergonal ( 609484 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @11:58AM (#5250556)
    I know nothing about CDs or plastic, so correct me if I'm way off base, but "resistant to scratches" sounds like it'd be good for CDs/DVDs?..
  • by Codex The Sloth ( 93427 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @11:58AM (#5250560)
    At the bottom of the article, it states that the coating doesn't fade:

    It never fades. Sunlight's ultraviolet rays trigger a chemical reaction in the Sollx film, forming a protective outer coating that won't decay.

    I'd be more concerned about scratches -- how do I touchup a film?
  • awsome!!! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by the_2nd_coming ( 444906 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @11:59AM (#5250567) Homepage
    add this to the Ideas tha GM has for future fuel cell cars design and it looks like fuel cell cars might be cheaper than cars today!!!
  • Thermocromic fun (Score:3, Interesting)

    by burgburgburg ( 574866 ) <splisken06NO@SPAMemail.com> on Friday February 07, 2003 @12:05PM (#5250625)
    If you had tiny temperature controls on the interior surface of the car, you could change the color of the car at the flick of the switch.
  • by Markee ( 72201 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @12:07PM (#5250651)

    The article mentions a car that is already available which has full plastic parts. More info can be found at the Smart website [smart.com]. I drive one of these, and I have bumped into obstacles while parking several times. Unlike a metal body, the plastic panel just springs back into shape after a bump. With a metal body, it would have been damaged visibly.

    Other Smart drivers reported that after a crash, the car had no visible damge while the invisible parts beneath the body panels had been damaged severely, but the robust body panel had been hiding the damage.

    I can really recommend these cars. They are the ultimate opposite to an SUV. 2.49 m long (7.5 feet!), 695 kg gross weight, can turn on a dime... wonderful.

  • Well (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Marvel Man ( 593480 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @12:08PM (#5250661)
    What occurs if you want to change the color of your car. Apparently paining it would be a sin if this material is supposed to replace paint. So that means you need to have the entire plastic surface removed and a new one put on?
  • by the_2nd_coming ( 444906 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @12:09PM (#5250671) Homepage
    why are you going to be loking through your fender or hood?
  • by pjdoland ( 99640 ) <pjdoland@pjdLISPoland.com minus language> on Friday February 07, 2003 @12:11PM (#5250691) Homepage
    Even though the plastic is 3 times more expensive than galvanized metal, it could still be more economical in the long run. A plastic body could result in a lighter car with better gas mileage (that's cheaper to run).

    But I'd also worry about the possibility of a lighter car being less safe.
  • by phorm ( 591458 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @12:15PM (#5250722) Journal
    Would you really want a car that "hides the damage" though. I mean, it would be fine for minor dents, etc... but in the case of major damage it could be a safety risk. I remember last time I was in an accident (rear-ended), the insurance company paid for repairs, but I found a lot of hidden problems afterwords that I'm sure were related to the accident but not overly visible, thus not fixed. One of these included damage the metal brackets linking the bumper and tow-bars onto the frame of the car... which resulted in my bumper coming partly off next time I hooked up something to tow, not good.

    Do you really want a bunch of damaged metal and loose welds hiding under a "seemingly" clean plastic coating?
  • Not if you're Amish (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MacAndrew ( 463832 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @12:26PM (#5250837) Homepage
    I don't mean to be a smart aleck -- well, maybe a little -- but do want to mention that the ever-increasing complexity of our lives is often good but not always necessary. If I could, I would like to get rid of my car altogether -- I'm no Luddite, but I think a lot of our technological improvements are aimed at correcting the problems introduced by our other technological improvement and distract us from fundamental goals. For example, we have for years been stalled with inefficient and polluting engines whose lifespan has been increased by ingenious inventions of emission control, electronic ignition, and so on, rather than inventing anew with fuel cells and the like (which are fundamentally not a new technology).

    With respect to the improvement of paint, it is a wonderful idea that if successful would avoid a lot of waste in paint's first mission, preserving the vulnerable material underneath. But why don't we find ways to get rid of the sheet metal altogether? Saturn is the only one to have taken it really seriously, and I imagine part of that was the advantage of starting as a new company (yes, as a spinoff of a very old one, but you know what I mean -- UAW didn't even hold their new plant to the standard rules, and that was revolutionary!). They haven't beat the problems, but at least they've tried.

    Here's a analogy I heard from a professor: Back in the days of J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI used to hold up every year a graph of the steady increase in their interdiction of interstate stolen cars. Problem was, interstate theft was increasing even faster. Then Detroit went to ignition steering wheel locks, eliminating the simple way to steal a car by hot wiring. The rate of theft plummeted. Sometimes changing something fundamental is more efficient that layering on additional layer of protection. (I hope the analogy held, but you get the idea.)
  • by j-turkey ( 187775 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @12:56PM (#5251123) Homepage
    how safe is this plastic for the environment? is it recyclable?

    Maybe the question should be: How harmful is the current paint process to the envorinment? (The answer to that is very much so -- probably the most harmful of any part of the car-building process...including the actual driving part for about 50,000 miles). The logical followup is: Compared with the current paint process, how safe is the plastic technique? Is it as recyclable as steel?

    --Turkey
  • by ncc74656 ( 45571 ) <scott@alfter.us> on Friday February 07, 2003 @01:07PM (#5251236) Homepage Journal
    Plus, your steel car rusts out in 10 years and they get to sell you a new one.

    It only rusts if you don't take care of it, or if it's of shoddy manufacture to begin with. An '84 323 my dad used to have while we were in England started developing small rust spots after less than two years, even though it was treated just the same as every other vehicle he's owned...washed regularly, washed more frequently when it's snowing, etc. (It was purchased new, so it wasn't a matter of buying someone else's problems.) OTOH, I have a '77 Cutlass Supreme with no rust anywhere...the paint's still in decent shape, too.

  • by PyrotekNX ( 548525 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @01:11PM (#5251290)
    Formula 1 cars are made mostly of carbon fiber. Carbon Fiber can absorb more of an impact than any other known material on earth plus they are lighter than any metal that can be used as a building material. ..If only it were cheaper :(.

    On the other hand plastic cars are bad for the consumer and good for the manufacturer. It can simplify the building process greatly while being able to add shapes to the car that would be impossible to make in metal. Features like that will make the car look better and possibly sell better as well. The bad thing for the consumer is that the life of the car will not rival a car made out of galvanized steel. They may claim that the plastic coating will last forever. Eventually the coating will fade, chip, scratch, etc. And the car will look horrible sometime down the road. In a steel car you can just get the whole thing repainted without a problem. When there is an accident with the plastic car the consumer will have no choice but to replace it from dealer parts.

    Some cars that are well over 50 years old are still being used today for recreation. These cars go under intense restorations and customizations over the years.

    Plastic cars will not be able to be restored in this way. You can also forget about chopping the roof or anything like that because plastic cars cannot be modified without actually replacing parts.

    These plastic cars will do nothing but fuel the throw away culture that in recent years has gained velocity. Nothing today can be really be repaired. Once it goes bad it gets thrown away. This keeps a purpetual need to constantly buy new things of the same item over and over and over. This even applies to computers now. The intel has changed the core multiple times in the p4's and each time not making them backward compatible. Sometimes only a few months goes by when something like that happens.

    The whole trend of this started way back when GE and Phillips decided that rather make a lightbulb last forever lets put a limited lifespan on them so we will get repeat sales. Before that nearly every product made could be repaired at a local shop.

    IMHO there is nothing that can be done to reverse the process of making every product we own be chinsey. Since we buy stuff with essentially nothing since cash money really has no value anyway. Somewhere down the road when the entire population has turned into brainless automotons because all our decisions are being made by machines there will be nothing left of this great country's rights and ideas that we take for granted today. The govt will eventually win total control over us. This is a basically a law of governments that when their limits are exceeded they will create new limits somehow someway through an endless string of loopholes that will come full circle and suffocate us all.
  • Re:Thermocromic fun (Score:2, Interesting)

    by bryanthompson ( 627923 ) <logansbro.gmail@com> on Friday February 07, 2003 @01:11PM (#5251294) Homepage Journal
    Sort of like a Mood Car. I'd buy one.
    I can see it now... when someone cuts me off my car instantly goes from blue to red, might be useful.
  • too expensive? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by oliphaunt ( 124016 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @01:27PM (#5251447) Homepage
    one word: corvette.

    There doesn't seem to be any shortage of those on the roads, and this picture [carbuyingtips.com] is an example of what happens when you bump into someone while driving your big fiberglass manhood-enhancer.
  • by jmichaelg ( 148257 ) on Friday February 07, 2003 @01:29PM (#5251466) Journal
    While larger and heavier vehicles absorb collision stress better than those of less mass, it's likely that a larger proportion of lighter vehicles on the road could reduce injuries by simply reducing the collision loads

    Which is why I think SUV's are evil. SUV owners frequently mention "my kids/wife will be safer", ignoring the fact that their hurtling behemoth makes the rest of us less safe. The damn things have sparked an arms race in my neck of the woods - everybody wants their kids to be safer and thus, per your observation, they end up making the roads less safe for everyone.

    Quite the pair of MDs.

  • Re:Materials science (Score:4, Interesting)

    by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Friday February 07, 2003 @01:58PM (#5251769) Homepage Journal
    The sibling posts to this one, together, ALMOST explain what Lexan is. Lexan is an advanced polycarbonate which can be worked like acrylic. It is more elastic than any other polycarbonate I am aware of; You can bend a quarter inch thick sheet of lexan around a cylinder of about eight inches in diameter without permanently altering its shape. It has nearly unparalleled ability to pass visible light (amongst other polycarbonates) and is more scratch resistant. As others have mentioned it is extremely resistant to deformation; where other plastics tend to shatter due to sudden impact, Lexan tends to take that moment to deform.

    Lexan is commonly used in automotive racing applications; GT1 and Formula cars (as well as slower machines) sometimes use Lexan windshields (depending on the race circuit's rules) because:

    1. It is about the same price as glass, assuming you can get glass in the right size.
    2. It is insanely easier to work with than glass; You need nothing more than a jigsaw or scroll saw to make large or small curved cuts in Lexan. It can be more or less treated as acrylic (except more durable) for the purposes of working it.
    3. It will absorb dramatically more direct impact than glass of any type.
    4. When normal glass is hit by a large heavy object at high speed, it shatters into both small and large pieces. When safety glass is hit likewise, it shatters into a million zillion pieces, none of which are extremely sharp. When lexan is hit like that, it deforms and springs back without breaking; It may be chipped, scratched, or scuffed. This can be sanded out (with first 500 if necessary, then 1000 and maybe 1500 grit wet sandpaper) and then buffed with a grinder equipped with a cloth/yarn wheel and buffing compound.

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