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Personal GPS in a Mobile Phone 151

i4u writes "NTT DoCoMo announced today that it will introduce it's first Global Positioning Service (GPS)-compatible handset F661i, at the end of April. The GPS mobile phone enables users to determine their location at the touch of a button, and download location specific information via i-mode like graphical maps and other interesting information about the area. This is not like the GPS functionality that the US Phone companies introduced so far. In the US the GPS coordinates are only used for emergencies and not yet for actually providing value to the user in other situations. Users of the F661i can send their current location to other i-mode enabled phones. In addition, a memo function allows users to store location information, including map, telephone numbers and addresses. The phone supports three applications of the GPS functionality: 1)The GPS enabled Phone can be tracked by via a service, useful for instance for parents to track their kids. See also the Wherify GPS Person Locator. 2)Submission of current location in case of emergency to pre-defined organizations, like police, fire departments etc. Similar to the GPS functionality available in the US. 3)The F661i also can be used by businesses to track their delivery trucks and more. Similar to Car GPS devices."
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Personal GPS in a Mobile Phone

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  • by Syncroswitch ( 656450 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @12:31PM (#5626471)
    Note to posters, a gps does not track you, it tracks the BYRD. to give your location to big brother it must send a signal, such as having your call triangulated, or (evil) it could call out and snitch on you... If they keep combining all the gadgets, Ill only have one multipurpose gadget, thats like geekdom in a thong. NO ONE SHOULD WANT THAT
  • by Controlio ( 78666 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @12:32PM (#5626477)
    All sorts of phones do GPS, my Sanyo 4900 I bought months ago has GPS. Most of all cell phones released in the past 6 months (in the U.S.) do, because its a part of the new E911 initiative. When you dial 911, your phone passes your GPS info to the cell tower, and the cell tower sends you to the local police for the city you're in. They designed the new phones this way so the state police phones don't get bombarded with calls from all over the state... since most of the time they just forward you to a local police department anyways.

    So what's to prevent phones right now from doing mapping? Couldn't someone write up a java applet or some other fuctionality that could do this on existing phones? The worst thing you should need is a minor firmware revision to allow java to access the GPS data.

    I was going to ask this in an Ask Slashdot, but I guess I'll pose it here. Our phones have GPS on them today. Why don't we have mapping and positioning data accessible to us already?
  • Not new (Score:3, Informative)

    by silas_moeckel ( 234313 ) <silas@@@dsminc-corp...com> on Sunday March 30, 2003 @12:35PM (#5626490) Homepage
    Um I have seen and used the Nextel i88 that has built in GPS with directions so how is this new?

  • Benefon.. (Score:3, Informative)

    by vjouppi ( 621333 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @12:35PM (#5626491)
    The Benefon Esc! has been out for quite some time now (around a year, IIRC).

    http://www.benefon.com/products/esc/index.htm

    Of course from Finland, where the best mobile phones come from. :^)
  • by seinman ( 463076 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @12:37PM (#5626501) Homepage Journal
    The difference is that US GPS phones don't have the GPS decoders in them. They just recieve raw data from the satellites, relay it to the tower, where computers at your provider figure out your location and pass it on to 911. There is no way to decode that data within the phone. Apparently, that's what sets this new phone apart from what we already have.
  • by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @01:00PM (#5626583) Homepage Journal
    benefon [benefon.com]company website of phonemaker that makes such things..

    quick googling..:
    **Benefon Debuts GPS-Enabled Dual-Band GSM Phones

    By Mark Long -- e-inSITE, 7/30/2001**
    http://www.e-insite.net/index.asp?layout=article&a rticleid=CA149613 [e-insite.net]

  • by leeet ( 543121 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @01:18PM (#5626651) Homepage
    I had the chance to live there for some time and as most people don't realise, most streets don't have names! It is a very complex, un-friendly and confusing way of thinking. (ie: strange for Japan)

    Everything is so dense that finding a friend can be a pain in the butt, believe me.

    Ok ok, I hear all that privacy crap, but who cares? Unless you're some mafia top-dude, who gives a crap about where you are? What do you have to *hide* ?

    Just think about kids being kidnaped or such things. I think the pros outweight the cons.
  • by w42w42 ( 538630 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @01:20PM (#5626662)

    Garmin has a GPS Phone [garmin.com], and being a real GPS manufacturer, they have the software to go with it.

    Better yet for an outdoors enthusiast that wants to communicate with their buddies, check out their Rhino. You can ping your friend, and their location shows up on your map.

    Someone else said it, but I agree. The hardware capabilities are all there in these devices, it's just a matter of getting the software/UI to support it.

  • by nsayer ( 86181 ) <`moc.ufk' `ta' `reyasn'> on Sunday March 30, 2003 @01:55PM (#5626816) Homepage
    The i58sr allows you to run java programs that are GPS-aware and able to use IP networking. There already is at least one outfit using them to sell location-aware fleet dispatching services and stuff.
  • by rbrome ( 175029 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @02:33PM (#5626974) Homepage
    All of the "GPS-enabled" US cell phones people have mentioned ARE capable of the type of service launched in Japan. It's just that the U.S. carriers haven't launched the services yet.

    If you go into the Settings menu on any recent Sprint or Verizon phone, there's an option for "Location". If you turn it "off", it will tell you that your location is still broadcasted for 911 calls. If you turn it "on", your location is available to your carrier (Sprint or Verizon) at all times, and any other companies you have given permission to (via the service that doesn't exist yet).

    The point is - the phone support is here. The network support is also implemented already - it's required by law for E-911. The only piece missing at this point are the "location servers" that tie in with the wireless web, which is where it actually becomes useful.

    AT&T Wireless has actually launched this type of service, ("Find Friends" etc.,) but they're not using GPS technology, and they haven't implemented their equivalent yet. For now it only knows which tower you are near, which only gives it accuracy of a few miles (as opposed to 50 meters with GPS).
  • by jabuzz ( 182671 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @02:45PM (#5627016) Homepage
    The maps don't take up as much space as you are making out.

    A raster based road map of the whole of Great Britain at 1:200,000 with a pixel size of 40 metres, in a 16 colour paletted image (you don't need more than 16 colours for maps) compressed using LZW (it's in GIF format) comes to just over 16MB. A raster street map of Greater London at 1:10,000 pixel size of 2.6 metres again in 16 colour paletted is a little under 60MB.

    Now lets also check what a 128MB MMC card costs, a mear 35UKP or around $50. So that would leave me with some 52MB of memory for other maps. So I could add in a road map I have of France the Iberian penisula and Austria, and over view map of Europe, a nautical chart of the British Isles and still have about 20MB left on this 128MB MMC card for some raster topo maps of the UK.

    If the phone could deal with SD memory cards they are available in 512MB size. That is enough to hold one quarter of Great Britain in the OS 1:50,000 Landranger maps with a 5m pixel size.

    So as far as I can see all they need to do is provide a MMC/SD slot somewhere on the phone. They are barely bigger than a SIM card.
  • by CharlieG ( 34950 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @03:06PM (#5627108) Homepage
    Well, sort of

    The Motorola i58 and i88 (both available via Nextel) and be set to output NEMA data, then you just have to use that - a lot of programs read NEMA. Here is and article on how to feed that data to a TNC

    http://www.dididahdahdidit.com/nexteltracker.php
  • by Mike McTernan ( 260224 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @03:21PM (#5627177)

    So what's to prevent phones right now from doing mapping?

    Nothing really - take a look at the Garmin NavTalk [garmin.com] for an example of a GSM phone that also provides mapping applications.

    Couldn't someone write up a java applet or some other fuctionality that could do this on existing phones? The worst thing you should need is a minor firmware revision to allow java to access the GPS data.

    The problem you're up against is the amount of memory required to store the map data, and also getting access to specialist map information. This is probably the constraint that prevents most phones from containing such functionality by default - adding memory increases the bill of materials, and consumers don't like that.

    Of course, there is nothing to stop you using a wap/web browser on your phone and using a service like Multimap [multimap.com] to get your map data (although you'll need to be in coverage and pay for the GSM or GPRS call depending on how you want to get your data).

  • Old news! (Score:2, Informative)

    by samik ( 32921 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @06:00PM (#5628014) Homepage

    GPS-enabled phones are nothing new. See these:

    Nokia Communicator GPS module [nokia.com]

    Benefon Esc! [benefon.com]

  • by Bad_Feeling ( 652942 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @06:08PM (#5628058)
    It is true that GPS is receive only. However, digital phones send out data packets for SMS, audio data and just about everything else, so it's a piece of cake to engineer them to send a packet to the provider containing the received GPS data.

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