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Is There Room for an IM only Device ? 238

tealover writes "MSNBC Has an article about a new device from Motorola that they're marketing that just does IM. It' called IMFree. Kind of a combination of a cordless phone and pager; There is a base station that plugs into a USB port in your computer, so it's only portable in relation to the base station. Sounds and looks like the kids would like this."
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Is There Room for an IM only Device ?

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  • IM on my sanyo 4900 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:29AM (#6013775)
    I got the Java Midlet based IM (Specilized ones for MSN, Yahoo and AOL ) and a mobile jabber client. Also, with my sprint vision plan I can use the web browser to use the IM ( which I prefer, specially on a well made mobile IM tool like Yahoo's messenger).
  • Maybe not IM only... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Black_Logic ( 79637 ) <wintermute@@@gmail...com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:31AM (#6013779) Homepage Journal
    But a small dumb terminal, that looks and feels like a pda would be handy, I think the portable phone/usb base station is a pretty good idea, Would a pda that does all of it's processing on your desktop computer be a lot cheaper? I think a cheap zaurus-like pda would be a good trade of for range of use.
    • I have a wireless keyboard with media keys. But its still too big to carry around like a remote.. Thats where this thing could come in handy. This thing could be put to use for more then just IM. What other thing Idea's do people have?
  • by TallEmu ( 646970 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:31AM (#6013780) Homepage
    ... is something that provided a very cheap screen/kb/mouse combination which wirelessly connected to a new session on a linux box. That way, I don't need to scatter boxes all over the house and multiple people could use it all at once. Mike
    • I guess you mean a wireless terminal. That would be very nice. I'm guessing tha main technical hitch would be the high data rate you'd need for screen redraw (if the terminal was that dumb).

      Why not just get a laptop with a bluetooth port?

    • Hmm. Write an AIM bot that waits for an IM from you, executes the command you send, captures the result, and IMs it back to you - splitting into multiple IMs if it's too big. You'd have to deal with the pseudo-HTML encoding, of course.

      Yeah, it's late, I should go to bed. ;-)
    • This [vt100.net] + that [linxtechnologies.com] = what you want.

      Of course, it still sucks. ;-)
    • No, what would be cool is a Beowulf cluster of these! Now that's REAL messaging power!!

      [This stupid comment brought to you by a Beowulf cluster of neurons.]
    • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @08:20AM (#6014266) Homepage
      is something that provided a very cheap screen/kb/mouse combination which wirelessly connected to a new session on a linux box.

      So something from the early 90's would work then?

      NCD explora 451 + Oronco Prisim2 wireless card + a cheap AP + your linux server.

      I have 6 of them running this way and at $15.00 each for the NCD terminals, $35.00 each for the wireless cards, monitors,keyboards, mice were free.. I got off really cheap.

      There are 2 problems with this. Web and text stuff only, and mercilessly kill anyone that set's gnome to use a screensaver or tries to listen to a mp3 on their NCD terminal.... Just as an example to the others...

      the hard part of this setup is the whiners that can't live without a 1600X1200 at 32 bit color resolutions. (800X600 is best for a 10 baseT network, which 802.11b is equilivant to) they also need to be publically killed as an example to the others. (A good sysadmin keeps his users cowering in fear)

      although, I have recently started ditching the wireless cards at that location and ran Cat5e.. gives them 100 base, a switch, and is overall cheaper... even with an electrician pulling the wire at $120.00 an hour.
      • the hard part of this setup is the whiners that can't live without a 1600X1200 at 32 bit color resolutions. (800X600 is best for a 10 baseT network, which 802.11b is equilivant to) they also need to be publically killed as an example to the others. (A good sysadmin keeps his users cowering in fear)

        Hm. I can't live without 1600x1200 at 32 bit resolution, but I am the sysadmin. How do I keep myself cowering in fear? It'd certainly be much cheaper...

        -JDF
  • by Microlith ( 54737 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:32AM (#6013783)
    Why buy an extraneous hardware device to do what my computer can do in a few pixels of screen space?

    If this were mobile, MAYBE it'd be worthwhile but my phone already has this covered (e-mail, c-mail).
    • by Phroggy ( 441 ) * <slashdot3@@@phroggy...com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:43AM (#6013830) Homepage
      Why buy an extraneous hardware device to do what my computer can do in a few pixels of screen space?

      Because you can sit on the couch, or in your favorite chair, or in the backyard enjoying the sun, while someone else uses the computer in the living room. Remember this is targeted to kids who don't own their own computers, and especially not laptops.

      You can already use AIM from a cell phone, but sometimes reception isn't good inside your house. This is cheaper than a cell phone, and should be much easier to use (bigger screen/keyboard) while you're at home.
    • I think the point is you don't have to sit in front of your computer to use it - it's a bit like buying a cordless phone instead of a regular one. It's a niche market device, and frankly, I think it would make a lot more sense if it was cheap.
    • by panaceaa ( 205396 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @05:43AM (#6013961) Homepage Journal
      If you look into AIM usage, there's a lot of teenage girls out there that sit infront of a computer and chat with friends all day. These girls also have siblings, so there's a lot of infighting about who gets to use the computer. These devices are perfect for those families. It gets kids off the computer so the computer can be used for more worthwhile stuff. For $99, it's way cheaper than another computer and everyone can do what they want to.

      So you have two teenagers... are you going to buy another computer so they'll stop fighting over who can chat when? -That- seems like having an extraneous hardware device that this product can do for under $100.
  • SMS ? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by selderrr ( 523988 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:33AM (#6013788) Journal
    I know that the US is not really into SMS, but in europe, it's HUGE. In belgium alone, a few MILLION smss are sent every day. At 40cents/message, that's big bucks for a service that costs next to nothing.


    The situation has gone so far that studies have shown teens to use their thumbs for stuff that the previous generation would have used the index finger for. Like dialing an ordinary phone, or pressing the doorbell.
    • Re:SMS ? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ites ( 600337 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:37AM (#6013807) Journal
      Yeah, say it, brother. SMS is IM. Only the markets in the US price SMS above voice traffic (there is a rational explanation for this but it involves large amounts of mind-altering substances). In Europe (and Asia and probably most places outside North America) this discussion is long over: over 70% of the population (here in Belgium) has a mobile phone and they can all IM each other using SMS.
    • Re:SMS ? (Score:5, Informative)

      by petecarlson ( 457202 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:42AM (#6013824) Homepage Journal
      At 40cents/message, that's big bucks for a service that costs next to nothing.

      In Europe, where SMS is huge, It doesn't cost 40cents/message. It is only in the US where they can get away with charging that much. When I lived in Germany it cost around 1 cent a message and I sent 5-10 messages a day. Now that I live in the US and it costs quite a bit more, I send around 5-10 messages a month.
      • 40 cents per message seems a bit much for the US. I have a Verizon Wireless prepaid and it's costing me 5 cents per message and 35 cents per minute. On MetroPCS, I think they charge an extra 2 or 3 bucks for both unlimited SMS and unlimited voice mail. That's on top of their standard plan which cost $35 per month (+ standard ~7% local sales tax + anywhere from $0 to $7 for special County cell phone tax) for unlimited calls within the surrounding metropolis area. Those plans are not great, but they're not a
      • Well, while I don't use a US provider for my cell phone, I *can* comment on my Canadian one, Rogers, For around $7/mo I get the so-called Messaging Pack, which includes voicemail plus unlimited incoming SMS messages. Every SMS I send out costs me 10 cents. This means that while my plan wouldn't be great for a lot of back-and-forth SMS traffic, it wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to use that way, either.

        Now why in the world would someone use a plan with unlimited incoming / restricted outgoing SMS? How about
      • How does unlimited SMS sound?
        How about unlimited data (about 144 kbit/s)
        How about unlimited minutes after 9PM to 5AM and Saturday/Sunday?
        How about no charges for roaming anywhere in the country?
        How about unlimited minutes to anyone on the same carrier?
        How about 500 minutes to use anytime else?
        How about never paying long distance calling anywhere in the US and Canada?

        I get all these. I pay $40 per month, and I never have to worry when or how I call. I don
        t budget my SMS messeges or my data bytes.

        The parent

        • Throw on wireless web and phone insurance and that's my plan. I just wish coverage was better in my area, I lose signal everywhere.
    • Re:SMS ? (Score:3, Funny)

      The situation has gone so far that studies have shown teens to use their thumbs for stuff that the previous generation would have used the index finger for.

      Girls too?

    • Re:SMS ? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by hendrik42 ( 593357 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @07:26AM (#6014131)
      According the the GSM World Association, more than 1 billion SMS (10^9) are sent every day worldwide. Also, the usage doubles every year.

      SMS Stats [gsmworld.com]
    • Re:SMS ? (Score:2, Interesting)

      a few million? you should see the SMSing going on here in the Philippines, then. last i heard around 60 million are sent everyday. 1 peso per SMS (or "text", as we call it), at an exchange rate of 55 pesos per 1 USD... not bad, hmm?

      i remember a bunch of scientists came over to study the SMS phenomenon that's going on here. apparently the cellphone services here have to keep upgrading constantly to keep up with all the messages flying around. not that they're complaining - they're making a killing anyway
      • Ya, my wife is filipina - and she "texts" with her friends a lot.

        Many of them actually hold full conversations in SMS, not just a single one or two messages.

        I personally dont have a cell phone - and dont want one. I have managed to avoid requiring one - even when I was managing a 25 person IT staff. pager and terminal access only.
    • For quite a long time, SMS (text messaging) was rare in the US. It was also very expensive.

      Over the past year or two, SMS prices have dropped considerably and providers have been pushing and marketing those features more.

      It seems especially common to be marketed for prepaid phones - SMS on prepaid phones seems to be about the same cost as "contract" phones, while voice minutes are much more expensive. In addition, SMS is in addition to most contract plans, while it is taken from your prepaid allowance i
    • I know that the US is not really into SMS, but in europe, it's HUGE. In belgium alone, a few MILLION smss are sent every day. At 40cents/ message, that's big bucks for a service that costs next to nothing.

      God, you're being ripped off almost as bad as I am on broadband, $100/mo for DSL (no cable available). Here in Norway a SMS costs 68 øre, which is 10 US cents. And that's on a low-end subscription ($3/mo before calls). The German post that says it's 1 cent is full of crap though, but still not bad
  • IM device vs. PDA (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rastakid ( 648791 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:34AM (#6013791) Homepage Journal
    I'm not sure if this will be a good-selling device.
    First of all, the limitation because of a base station, really hurts it's image. It would be very cool if I could Jabber in the train, but I don't think I will Jabber on my couch, when my PC is ten meters away.
    The second Bag Thing is the huge competion between PDAs and IM devices. Why would I pay for a (probably expensive too) IM device, when I can get a PDA with 802.11b? A PDA gives me much more features, including Instant Messaging. I currently have the Zaurus SL-5500, and I'm really happy to have it, I can do just anything with it, including Instant Messaging.
    I think this device has a chance, but only if the prices are (much) lower than the PDA prices, or if it's going to support GPRS/UMTS/etc.
    • by Phroggy ( 441 ) *
      Why would I pay for a (probably expensive too) IM device, when I can get a PDA with 802.11b? A PDA gives me much more features, including Instant Messaging. I currently have the Zaurus SL-5500, and I'm really happy to have it, I can do just anything with it, including Instant Messaging.

      The article (you did read it, didn't you?) says this IM device will be $99.99. How much did your PDA cost? If you don't already have a PDA and don't want the PDA's other features, this makes more sense. Obviously their t
      • by rastakid ( 648791 )
        I spent $300.00 on my Zaurus, including Linksys 802.11b card. It's now possible to get the SL-5500 for around $200.00 since Sharp is about to intoduce the SL-5600 (or already did, not sure). So, for twice the money you'll get a full PDA (running Linux!) which allows you to do almost anything. For half the money, you'll get a device which *only* allows you to Instant Message with it. Besides this, it's possible to set up a Bluetooth connection between your Zaurus and your mobile phone, allowing you to use di
    • by Black_Logic ( 79637 ) * <wintermute@@@gmail...com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:46AM (#6013842) Homepage Journal
      First of all, the limitation because of a base station, really hurts it's image

      I'm not so sure, When I'm programming I usually like a reasonably comfortable computer chair and a big desk; When I do my web browsing, im'ing and mp3 listening I use a computer that I set up next to my bed so that I can lay down while i'm doing it. Before I set this up I found myself going to watch tv on my comfortable couch instead. So much of my day to day entertainment comes from my computer that i'm lead to believe there's a real market for making computers more entertainment friendly. ie. being more comfortable while using them.
      • My old laptop (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Andy Dodd ( 701 ) <atd7&cornell,edu> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @08:53AM (#6014387) Homepage
        I'm a perfect example of this.

        My senior year of college, I had a desktop and a laptop. The desktop was always kept reasonably up-to-date for my entire college career. (That year it was a 1.1 GHz Athlon with DDR memory, etc etc.)

        The laptop was an old cheap beat-up POS. Pentium 200MMX, 128M, 12" screen.

        I used the laptop 95% of the time that year, for one reason: Even though the chair at my computer desk was pretty comfortable, the couch in my apartment's living room was ten times more comfortable. I pretty much did all my work that year either on the couch or sitting in a folding chair in the front lawn.

        Thank God for 802.11
    • And I think the PDA makers have neglected this potentially huge market for way too long. Only now we're starting to get a trickle of PDAs with integrated wireless (Bluetooth or 802.11), whereas that could have been THE killer app for handhelds from day one. They concentrated for too long on WAN-type wireless, which until recently didn't have the infrastructure to do right (with GPRS it's finally getting there), while base-station-type home networking could have been done for a long time and would have been
  • by shepd ( 155729 ) <slashdot.org@NospAm.gmail.com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:34AM (#6013792) Homepage Journal
    Motorola is still on that IM kick?

    After that crap V101 [motorola.ca], you think they might just go after quality and customer service instead.

    I'll wait 'till Nokia makes one. I need my phones to last longer than a few weeks.
  • The purpose of cell phones and pagers is so that you can communicate with people when you are not at a phone. This IM device does not let you communicate with people anywhere, like cell phones.

    Also, don't some cell phones have AIM integration? If someone owns one, I would like to hear how their mobile phone compares to both normal computers and this device.
    • I have one. (Score:3, Informative)

      by Gldm ( 600518 )
      I have AIM on my Nokia 3390 (I think it's a 3390) through T-mobile. I think you get 50 incoming messages free with most of the plans, an upgrade to 500 is $3/month, which I have. Considering that's about 16 messages/day average, I'm unlikely to go over it. I actually rarely use it cause when I'm home I'm usually at the computer with trillian running anyway.

      Typing on it's a little annoying at first, but I can manage it ok now. It's nice to have when I need to get ahold of someone and I know they're probably
  • Why this will work (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Phroggy ( 441 ) * <slashdot3@@@phroggy...com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:35AM (#6013796) Homepage
    I've had a chance to borrow an iBook with an AirPort card for awhile, and I really like being able to go anywhere in the house and be online without wires getting in the way. I see this device being very successful for the same reason. There are trade-offs: you can't browse Slashdot with it and the screen and keyboard are small and awkward, but it's vastly cheaper than a laptop.

    I wouldn't want one of these for myself. I do a lot with the computer, and usually just have AIM running in the background; when I'm not at the computer I probably am busy doing something and don't have time for IM. I'm not in their target market though. A lot of less tech-savvy people use the computer exclusively for communicating with people (via IM or e-mail) and surfing the web, and don't necessarily do both at the same time; for them, this would free them from having to sit in front of the computer, which they only do now because it's the only way to use IM/e-mail/the web.
  • the form factor, keyboard layout and purpose is so much like a blackberry that surely it won't be long before Research In Motion layers are knocking on moto's door. Remember when RIM sued Handspring... *sigh* imagine if someone had successfully protected a patent on the QWERTY keyboard layout. We'd all have to learn to type all over again every time we bought a keyboard from a different company!

  • Most people (Score:2, Insightful)

    by CptChipJew ( 301983 )
    seem to be carrying around cell phones these days. And it seems a lot of them support AOL Instant Messenger.

    When cell phone prices eventually drop to the point where everyone can afford them (which I guess may be now), then an IM only device will be kind of unnecessary. That is, unless it's a dirt cheap service.
  • Maybe... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Derg ( 557233 ) <alex.nunley@gmail.com> on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:36AM (#6013804) Journal
    To be absolutely honest, I might be conned into using something like this.. it looks simple enough, and there are times that all I really need to do is IM someone. ATM it only uses Aim though, which is a drawback to users of other IM'ng services, though the article does mention possibility of expansion. overall I give it a 2.5 out of 10 .. its being marketed too specifically towards kids, I imagine it could be useful in leu of telephones in some business applications where its necessary to just say a word or 10. The Aim only thing is also a pain..the size and weight are also drawbacks, along with a crappy screen.. 9 lines of b&w text? why no color screen? even 16 color is better than b&w.. *shrug*

    wonder how long it will be till someone makes it run on linux .. *ducks*

  • by ahadley ( 665625 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:40AM (#6013817)
    ...the ability to let others use the computer whilst someone is IMing.
    I know that when I go home for a weekend or something, the likelyhood of being able to check my email, the latest /. or the like is usually slim to none, due to my little sister spending copious amounts of time 'chatting' to her friends.
    I think this sort of thing could come as a breath of fresh air for other members of the house hold
    Also IMing age is usually self-concious age and so privacy hilst IMing is usually of the upmost importance (I know it is for my sister), thus the ability to do it from their bedrooms, for instance, would probably be very much appreciated.

    Just my thoughts on it,
    Alex

    ----------
    Any fool can talk, but it takes a smart man to listen
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    • In don't want my kids talking to someone where I can not watch them.

      You could put together a computer together pretty cheaple. If al you need to do is check email, and browse, then go to the good will, get a pentium 1 system, and 10Mbit hub. You could probably do that for 100 bucks(the price of the IM device)
  • aol (Score:2, Interesting)

    aol/tw ought to offer a rebranded
    version of this, integrate it with
    their services (emphasis on aim),
    and send out these things for free instead
    of the damned cdroms (including a
    net installer for their pc & game console software
    in the im device).

    (or someone else should)
  • As much as you guys hate MS, you post a story on linking to MSNBC at 1am (PST), a time that probably draws the least amount of traffic to and from this site. Come guys, we may have been able to /. MS's servers if you had posted this at, say, noon. How much fun would that have been, eh?
    • I would wager that MSNBC gets more traffic than /. I would have also have thought that they would have backup from companies with distributed networks such as Akamai. In other words - your going to struggle to take them down. If I remember rightly, MSNBC was one of the few major news sites still producing some kind of content (admittedly cut-down) on Sept 11th because they rolled over to Akamai.
  • Redundant technology (Score:4, Interesting)

    by YeeHaW_Jelte ( 451855 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:43AM (#6013826) Homepage
    This seems pretty silly to me as most teens here (Netherlands) are equipped with a mobile phone. It doesn't seem to have any added value over plain-vanilla SMS messages. Don't the States have a SMS service?
    • Don't the States have a SMS service?

      With so many cellular providers, and text messaging being chained to only customers of the same provider, I've found it to be essentially useless.

      Not to mention that I consider my Nokia phone to be a rather unwieldy device for typing messages - I wonder if everyone that uses SMS has a better device than I, or if they're just willing to tolerate them more than I.

      • With so many cellular providers, and text messaging being chained to only customers of the same provider, I've found it to be essentially useless.

        That's a difference with Europe then. I can SMS to any provider for the same cost.

      • I have a Nokia 6210. I found that with a little practice the keypad is fine for entering short messages. You just have to try it till you get the hang of it. For longer messages I do tend to use the SMS software on my Palm (m100 and m515 [palm.com], I'm migrating from the m100 to the m515) as it's slightly quicker.

        Stephen

      • by Andy Dodd ( 701 )
        Most cellular providers charge quite a bit for SMS on contract plans.

        SMS is often *cheaper* on prepaid plans than contract plans. Unfortunately, almost no one except teenagers go for prepaid plans because the individual minutes are so expensive, and you don't get massive quantities of offpeak time. (I have virtually unlimited night/weekend calling.) The only reason teenagers go prepaid is because they legally are prohibited from getting a contract plan until they're 18.

        As to the interface - I have a Ky
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Wireless Terminal.
    Admin your *nix box from anywhere (Within your home. Who would of thought), Or watch the cpu usage.. This thing has alot more uses, Then one thinks at first look.

    But does it have encryption?
  • I thought this is what hip-top were for. Mobile, portable IM and web services, with a full keyboard. Other then not being able to get out of range of a "base station," and using your existince computer's connection, I don't see why this is all that great.

    Is there something I'm missing here?
  • to get soda or to take a leak i can take my IM service to the crapper with me!
  • by headbulb ( 534102 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:49AM (#6013853)
    I wonder how long it will take linux to make this device appear as a terminal. You could admin your box from anywhere in the house.. Or you could watch your cpu usage from the roof.
  • big (Score:5, Funny)

    by UniverseIsADoughnut ( 170909 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @04:52AM (#6013865)
    Anyone else look at it and think it was a Lable Maker?
  • I've carried a 2 way pager (the cheapie motorola version that does nothing else) for nearly 2 years now...
  • Related to IBM? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by swifticus ( 191301 )
    It's interesting that this comes from Motorola at a time when there's been recent confirmation that IBM's PowerPC 970's will be used by Apple.

    I believe Motorola is trying to expand its market after losing ground with apple.

  • I can see something like this being usefull if it supported 802.11b. In more and more enterprise environments .11b is becoming ubiquitous, I know MS, Cisco, and many other large corporations have basically all of every building covered. But being tethered to the distance covered by a single basestation kind of makes it rather useless, if you are close enough to the PC to be in communications with it why not just use the keyboard?
  • MyAirMail.com (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mirko ( 198274 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @05:48AM (#6013971) Journal
    Some years ago, my bro'in law was vp at Vodafon.
    He showed me their latest product : MyAirMail.
    It was exactly the same thing as mentioned above except that it would send and receive real emails and be 4-times smaller.

    So, is there a market for this new im device when there has already been such products in the past ?
    • a failed product never means there isn't a market (especially in a sector that moves as fast as tech). It CAN mean that, or it can mean many other things, like the company just executed poorly on the product/marketing/pricing/whatever.
  • Have been brainstorming a bit about this subject in the past: why haven't the mobile phone producers and network operators integrated instant messenging ( real-time! ) contact list with the phonebook in our cell phones? Just like with IM programs buddies could than update their own profile and this would show up in everyone's phone. My friends use this to keep track where everybody is and what they are upto all the time! It would require both new functionality of the phones and more significantly, a cheap
  • Cybiko does this (Score:4, Informative)

    by t0qer ( 230538 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @07:16AM (#6014109) Homepage Journal



    [cybiko.com]
    Cybiko does this [devrs.com]. Am I supposed
    to dance around and clap at motorola's innovative entry into the teen PDA
    market?


    P.S. I'm just P.O'd slash doesn't do more coverage on this device, I
    have 3, they're a hell of a lot better than luggin a laptop through the house
    for IRC or IM'ing. Really cool toy.



    • Yes, the Cybiko is really cool but also basicly dead. IFAIK they stopped making the hardware about a year ago.

      IMO they really missed the boat. It had a ton of potential for hacking but the company was never really open with the internals. I had one set up to pick mp3s and play them through my stereo but never did much with it after that. I also invisioned an add on to the Palm that would work them to work together but that never got past the drawing board.

      Another decent technology gone because it didn't

  • Companies spend millions choosing names for their products so that they can be used internationally without causing offence or laughter (see below*). But I think that the name IMFree will be mocked for a different reason.

    IMFree reads like "I'm free", which just happens to be the catchphrase of a character in a British sitcom from the '70s called 'Are you being served?' [beebfun.com]. The character, played by John Inman, was extremely camp [minki.net] (1970s British shorthand for gay).

    Even today, you occasionally hear people call

  • Hack possibilities (Score:2, Interesting)

    by AndroidCat ( 229562 )
    What this really is, is a cheapish wireless terminal. Scrap the IM part (or not) and use it for whatever you want. Home control monitor, status display, fancy alarm clock, whatever.
  • by Shoten ( 260439 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @09:39AM (#6014612)
    Does this seem like the same thing AOL did with that particular version of the Blackberry, only less useful?

    And also...it is just me or does the picture of the columnist make him look like a guy who drives a pickup with a (heavily stocked) gun rack?

    • Yeah, just like a Blackberry except you can only use it in range of the base station like a cordless phone. The only advantage is you don't pay a monthly fee.

      Pretty limited market here. If you have friends who don't have 2way texting cellphones but have MSN Messenger, and you want to IM while you're walking around the house but not when you leave the house, then yes, this is for you! For most people, they'd either use a text messaging cellphone to send short messages or they'd sit down at their computers w
  • by moehoward ( 668736 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @09:44AM (#6014637)
    Where is the Porn-Only device? Clearly, this is the next "killer app". Are these big companies just too embarassed to release it? Or, did all the beta testers never come out of the bathroom?

    We may never know. Please suggest some features that you would need in a Porn-Only Device (or POD(tm)). From both a hardware and software point of view, we probably now have the technology to achieve such technology. (i.e. left-hand-only controls (or right), media player, kleenex dispenser...)
    • A map feature - like Tingle's GBA map in Zelda, that shows (when you are in a crowded club) the location of all the slappers or people of negotiable affect as flashing dots on the map.

      Cross referencing mobile phone triangulation with personals adverts in seedy magazines I guess. We have the technology.

  • by jejones ( 115979 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @09:49AM (#6014668) Journal
    Hey, with CSI and CSI: Miami they're on a roll, right?

    "IMFree...IMFree...and freedom tastes of reality..."
  • I am totally ignoring IM until there is a real standard.
    Check out Jabber's IETF page [jabber.org]. I hope XMPP pulls it off. It's hurting my social life -- this no IMing!
  • This is pretty cool, but AOL had already introduced a device years ago called the AOL Mobile Communicator [aol.com].

    The device costs $99.95 and the service is $29.95 a month, which is in addition to the monthly AOL membership fee. The service is only available to AOL members.

    This one also did AOL E-mail so I guess its fair to say it wasn't an "IM Only" device- but its major selling point IMO was that it did AIM before you could get AIM on cellphones. I think you can still buy it from them!
  • by generic-man ( 33649 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @10:26AM (#6014907) Homepage Journal
    It's not surprising that this article has attracted a torrent of comments like "I wish it were a dumb terminal" or "Why can't it access Jabber?" As always, these foolish questions can be dismissed by reading the article.

    "Motorola is marketing IMfree to young teens, and to young teenage girls in particular, because they found this group was a heavy user of instant messaging services."

    Now I know that many of you Junior Slashbots out there are very proud of the fact that you've been using Linux and Jabber since before they were cool. However, the market for AIM is enormous among young teens. In homes with broadband, many AIM users have started leaving themselves signed in 24/7. This leads to some contention, as it's impractical to run more than one instance of AIM on a home PC. In a home with, say, one PC and three kids, mom can type a letter while her kids use the AIM devices wirelessly. Total cost for the kids' hardware: $300.

    Now, I'd like to see a $100 handheld terminal device that would sell well among the Slashdot crowd. Remember, it has to include wireless Ethernet, a color screen, Bluetooth, compatibility with all bands of GSM, at least 128 MB of RAM, an MP3 and Ogg Vorbis player, a Gecko-based web browser, a terminal which can run any shell imaginable, Perl, a C compiler, an 80 GB hard drive, a usable keyboard, FireWire, USB 2.0, and Infrared. And it has to run Linux.
  • Screw that .. the reason I don't use my PDA at all anymore is cause my Cell phone can keep all my numbers (and addresses if I was not so lazy to finger tap them in)

    Only thing I wish is that they made small compact cell phones like the Moto T720, which I have, and gave them an easy computer hotsync option.. like their bulky big brothers the PDA phones. The thing already has a color screen and some memory.. function for calender's, and storing names and addresses and all that jazz. No easy way to hotsync t
    • Ok its just for your house.. ha .. didn't read the article in true /. reader fashion.

      Well my Rant is still viable I think.. though now sorta offtopic Ugh..

      Eh Seems like an OK product .. especially if you're sketchy about giving kids their own private computer.

      otherwise its gadgetry.. people will get it.. they'll use it .. but I don't think it'll catch on.. (good that its stand alone equip .. no *service* involved)
  • why bother (Score:3, Insightful)

    by maxpublic ( 450413 ) on Thursday May 22, 2003 @12:35PM (#6015929) Homepage
    I have a cell with unlimited free long distance and free in-region calling (Verizon), not to mention a free message service. Why the hell would I bother with IM when I can simply call someone up and *talk* to them - or leave a message if they don't have their cell on?

    I fail to understand what the appeal is, unless the younger generation has an aversion to actually using the spoken word.

    Max
    • I hate using the phone. I prefer to talk to people face to face when I can, but when I can't, I prefer to use IM. There are a number of reasons for this, but probably the strongest one is that IM is the least intrusive manner of communication that still gives a conversational feel. It gives a perfect balance between email(answer whenever you get around to it) and phone(answer me now, regardless of what you're doing).
  • Not JUST IM unless you provide other services through IM 'daemons' or bots. Even so; You MUST support at least basic PDA features; Phone book, note pad, calendar. Otherwise, you WILL flop. People expect a small device to do that sort of thing, and a $5 device will do it, so adding the functionality should cost mere pennies.
  • Hand Unit [amazon.com] (500x500)
    Base Unit and Accessories [amazon.com] (500x500)
    Diagram of Keys [mobil.cz]
    Generic 1 [thenewsmarket.com]
    Generic 2 [thenewsmarket.com]
    Generic 3 [thenewsmarket.com]

    The last three were grabbed from The News Market [thenewsmarket.com]. Maybe someone with an account can post the full size copies?

  • I use my cellphone's web ability for IM and email more than i use the phone for voice calls. I developed a similar device as this for home use.. basiclly a PDA that runs Linux and allows text based web (including IM and email) as well as VoIP calls. Mine uses WiFi which was the easiest solution for me. Mine cost about $500 to make though and requires a Linux server to be handy. Overall, I like what they did with this but I think they'd have better luck if it could access the PCS (or similar digital cell net

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