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Hydrodemolition Robot Crushes With Water 292

Roland Piquepaille writes "In 'Robot pummels roads with water', the Augusta Chronicle says that a hydrodemolition robot is going to restore seven bridges in Georgia. "It's a robot that destroys everything in its path with a crushing stream of water 15 times more powerful than a jackhammer. The robot looks like a street cleaner machine on steroids and is expected to begin use August 1 to resurface seven bridges on Gordon Highway from Walton Way to the bridge at the South Carolina state line." This kind of robot needs only two workers to operate it, instead of 15 workers for a jackhammer, is less noisy and more gentle for the foundations. You'll find more details in this summary."
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Hydrodemolition Robot Crushes With Water

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  • recycle water? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ender_wiggins ( 81600 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:21PM (#6217512) Journal
    Does it recycle the water? seems like alot of water to be wasting. But since its the City or State that would be using, its ok to waste water. Altho there will still be 15 people standing around to "supervise" the two people required to run this machine.
  • by xactoguy ( 555443 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:23PM (#6217539)
    I know that the stream of water isn't going to be vibrating the road as a jackhammer would, but wouldn't 4 times as much power causes fractures of another sort? What if it is causing problems yet unseen?
  • High-pressure water (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Renraku ( 518261 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:24PM (#6217560) Homepage
    I saw a report a few years ago about the advantages of using a high-pressure water 'gun' for cutting metal. Some of the advantages was that the cooling was already taken care of, the material was recyclable with a filter, and the edges were already smoothed.
  • by amalcon ( 472105 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:27PM (#6217600)
    You'd think they would have come up with a better way to break up asphalt than hitting it really hard by now. I mean, look at all the advances in advertising, military technology, and other things that are bad for the general public, and how little improvement there has been in fixing potential safety hazards.
  • Re:Unions (Score:3, Interesting)

    by GMontag ( 42283 ) <gmontag AT guymontag DOT com> on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:27PM (#6217602) Homepage Journal
    Oh, perhaps because they might get more work done by using 8 crews and the State hiring another guy to make it a full 16?

    They might have to work nights if 8 crews only have 2 machines?

    They might get to work many more years in good health, including good hearing?

    They are still experiencing trauma from the demise of the buggy whip, gas light and candle industries?

    Just guesses of course :-)

    BTW, I think GA is a "right to work State", so Unions have less power to keep work in the dark ages.
  • by lildogie ( 54998 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:27PM (#6217609)
    Last decade, in Washington State, hydrodemolition was used to "resurface" the Eastbound lanes of the Lake Washington Floating Bridge, a couple of miles from the Western end of Interstate 90.

    Due to a chain of snafus, the "floating" bridge sunk one Thanksgiving day. Very nearly sunk the brand new Westbound floating bridge right next to it. (Part of the root cause was the storage of hydrodemolition wastewater in the flotation cells of the bridge.)

    Some years later, the records of liability were sealed in a court settlement between the state and the contractor.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:34PM (#6217692)
    15 workers for a jackhammer

    Fifteen guys??? How many guys does it take to go to the Krispy Kreme??

    Man, I'm in the wrong line of work.
  • by mcguyver ( 589810 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:40PM (#6217741) Homepage
    Google Search on high pressure water cutting [google.com]

    A simple search and you will see many different machines that use high pressure water to do their deed. Many years ago I remember watching Beyond2000 discuss a tool used to cut wood - each cut was smooth and precise.
  • by nadadogg ( 652178 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:42PM (#6217757)
    It seems to me that it might work in more of a "hyper erosion" kinda thing, like how the ocean will gradually wear anything away, without being rough. This puppy just speeds up the process.
  • Re:Good point (Score:4, Interesting)

    by silentbozo ( 542534 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:52PM (#6217862) Journal
    On the subject, in the dorms there were always people who would go turn on the shower and then go take a 10 minute crap while the water was running... or leave the sink full blast while brushing their teeth.

    Ahhh, you could always tell who the Easterners were. "Defrost the turkey? Yah, just leave it in the sink with the water running..."

    Of course, there are still a lot of people out West who still don't get it. Watering lawns with what amounts to drinking water? And they wonder why their water bills are so high...
  • Re:recycle water? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Jad LaFields ( 607990 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:56PM (#6217909)
    Couldn't this eat a little into the man-power savings (2 men instead of 15)? I mean, it'll take a couple of guys to operate the vacuum truck, I assume.
  • Concrete Zamboni (Score:5, Interesting)

    by supertbone ( 624441 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @07:04PM (#6217961)
    If they could figure out a way to use the old concrete with the waste water to immediatly make new concrete it would be like a Zamboni for the highway.
  • by SpeedBump0619 ( 324581 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @07:06PM (#6217977)
    You heard right. For anyone who hasn't heard of this there are several kinds, basically broken up by the maximum pressure. When I was involved with building automation systems this was one of the coolest things to play with (though they aren't toys).

    Add a little pulverized rock into a 0.012 inch stream of water at 60,000 psi and you can cut through *anything*. Biggest thing I ever saw was a 17 inch thick slab of titanium plating. The edges end up smooth, cool (or at most warm to the touch) and, if you are cutting something really expensive (or toxic) you can reclaim 99.99% of the material you eroded away.

    Waterjet is *the* coolest cutting technology in the world :) For info try:
    Flow [flowcorp.com]
    Jet Edge [jetedge.com]
  • by C. Alan ( 623148 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @07:38PM (#6218317)
    Perhaps I am one of the few Civil Engineers who find myself reading /. So +karma to the editors for bringing this article. I still would like to know how it removes the concret and doesn't dammage the rebar. When you start getting aligator cracking in concrete roads, water has more than likely reached the rebar, rusting it. Some newer road specs require that the rebar be coated with epoxy. This cuts down on rust, and may allow for rebar reuse in the case stated with the article. --C. Alan, PE
  • by orthogonal ( 588627 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @08:31PM (#6218725) Journal
    Can you give me a link about the origin of "top-notch"?

    Yeah, I did some serious googling for it too, and couldn't find it.

    As I recall, the "top-notcher" was one of two guys on either end of a long, two handled saw. He stood at the top of a pit, and the other fellow stood in the pit, to facilitate cutting logs. Working together, they'd saw the logs.

    Of course the guy down in the pit -- the top-notcher's opposite numbre -- had all the sawdust floating down on him, and inevitably he inhaled it. Over the course of about 10 years, he'd inhale enough sawdust to cause lung disease and premature death, disease and death the top-knotcher, by virtue of his position (literally, his position) avoided.
  • by Hungus ( 585181 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @08:32PM (#6218737) Journal
    I dont know what you were looking at but I was a waterjet engineer a decade ago and first off to cut something like Ti you cant use water .. instead you use cerium oxide which is sucked into the water stream stream. So now you are using the water to accellerate the cerium oxide rather than teh water itself to cut. Also when you add artifacts you cant maintain a clean stream for 17 inches, heck with out artifacts a 30cm stream is amazing (water at 30-75k psi has to be very clean or you will destroy the nozzels almost instantly) its because of the problems with laminar flow. When the water hits the diaphram of teh jewel its pressure is so high that it acts like a laser in that only the water moving perpendicular to the jewel surface can make it out so all the water is moving in exactly the same direction, this is called laminar flow and the idea was developed by Dr Bob Higgans decades ago (he was a steam engineer originally to give you and idea of how old he is). Long story but Flow is evil they did some nasty dirty things to Bob and he formed his own co Technicut (whome I worked for). Anyway back to laminar flow, you see teh edges of teh stream after leaving the nozzel will cause air turbulance and start to tumble disrupting the stream. Eventually turbulance invades the entire stream and it looses most of its cutting ability. Now concrete? well thats easy to cut with straight water because quite honestly it is pretty soft. Of and you cant inject cerium oxide in a number 1 jewel ( .01 inches) you use at least a number 8 and preferably a number 10. Actually i guess you would ne mentioning a number 2 jewel which would be .02 but since the diameter of the stream is only 60% of the diameter of the jewel that would make it .012 still not enough to transport the cerium oxide.
  • by cgleba ( 521624 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @11:18PM (#6219667)
    Take a basic class in macroeconomics -- this will explain it to you clearly.

    Your argument has been going on for centuries. One common incarnation of it was "Malthusian" economics -- in the 1700s Robert Malthus predicted that we would all run out of food if the population kept growing and people would die by the masses from starvation. He never accounted for the fact that we can make more food with more technology.

    How does it work, then? In a nutshell, seamstress gets replaced by a machine, machine puts her out of work, but seamstress can get a job as a machine operator. Machine makes more clothes then seamstress, thus she gets a higher wage (cutting out the Marxian labor value of theory, etc). Jobs are now availible for machine engineers, maintenence and manufacture, too. But the total number of jobs has dropped because all these people will not outnumber the number of people that were seamstresses and replaced.

    How do you keep full employment, then? Well, clothes are now cheaper so more people will buy them (supply-demand) making a need for more machines and more machine operators.

    Thus the answer is that you have to buy more stuff. Every machine that replaces people can sustain the current level of employment if people buy more stuff. That is why the economy has to be constantly growing at 2.5% per anum or else unemployment rises. You have to buy 2.5% more shit per year to keep unemployment low.

    ****Capitalism needs an exponeantially growing rate of consumption to survive****

    That is why so many have predicted it will fail.

    That is also why advertising is being shoved down your throat more and more year by year -- the market in some areas in saturated so companies convince you you need something so you will buy more stuff.

    What if all the markets are saturated? What can a country do to keep unemployment low? They can conquer other countries and use them as markets to sell stuff to as well as have them be a source for cheap raw materials. What do you think the British Empire was all about?

    What do you think us being the "world police" is all about?

    Absolutely fascinating subject.
  • by The Dobber ( 576407 ) on Tuesday June 17, 2003 @07:02AM (#6221119)

    Injecting the abrasives (garnet in my case) is only a problem if your do not keep the beam entrained within the material your cutting.

    I regularly plow through 12" of glass, holding tolerances less than 0.005".

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