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Logitech Ships 500 Millionth Mouse 559

ipxodi writes "Logitech marks the milestone of 500 million shipped mice. Mice first widely appeared in consumer form on the original Macintosh, but have appeared in various forms back through time to 1964 when they were invented by Doug Englebart. My favorite mouse is also my current mouse, a Logitech Optical Wheel mouse. I also remember some oddities beyond the old bar-of-soap shaped mice of the mid 80's, like one with a crosshair attachment for clicking on specific points of a blueprintfor CAD input. What's your favorite current or past mouse?" My first mouse was back in 1987, for my Apple //c. It cost $50, and came with a double-sided floppy that contained an interactive instructional program on side one, and MousePaint (a port of MacPaint) on side two. Memories!
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Logitech Ships 500 Millionth Mouse

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  • by dosius ( 230542 ) <bridget@buric.co> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:06PM (#6936894) Journal
    Hardly any software even supported it, but hey, those that did were 1337. Beagle Graphics and MousePaint. I still have them, and I still use them (with EMU][).

    -uso.
  • by codefool ( 189025 ) <ghester&codefool,org> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:06PM (#6936901) Homepage Journal
    Got hooked on these when I got into FPS gaming. But since I travel(ed) alot, it turned out to be way cool on airplanes. Small footprint, and doesn't require any 'room' to move around. Just sits in place with my hand on it, and the pointer goes where I want. Saves the arm too.
  • Not a mouse per se (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BWJones ( 18351 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:07PM (#6936913) Homepage Journal
    What's your favorite current or past mouse?"

    My favorite input device is my Kensington Turbo Mouse. It's a trackball, but I have been using them for years going back to the original 1.0. They are great in reducing RSI and allow precise control which is important for digital imagery work and image forensics.

  • My faivoraite mouse (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Sir Haxalot ( 693401 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:08PM (#6936925)
    my far the dual scroll ami mouse by Logitech, has served me well over the last year. Although it has a relatively low dpi, it's nice and smooth, and who needs over 500 dpi anyway?
  • by kworthington ( 678559 ) <kworthington@noSPAM.gmail.com> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:12PM (#6936971) Homepage
    My favorite is actually a trackball. No un-necessary wrist movement avoids carpal-tunnel nicely. My preference is the Logitech TrackMan Marble Wheel, which has a scroll button as a third button. It's sort of the older version of this [logitech.com]. Mine is a bit 'wider' left to right, and is white rather than silver/gray.
  • by Chmarr ( 18662 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:15PM (#6936991)
    The clearly the best mouse ever was the hemispherical, red-clown-nose mouse that came with the AT&T/Teletype 5620 [bell-labs.com] terminal. What a buzz using that thing was :)
  • by rhetland ( 259464 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:16PM (#6937005)
    Oh, wait, this isn't a poll.

    But the truth is that I don't use a mouse anymore. I use a touchstream keyboard from Fingerworks [fingerworks.com] that lets me move the arrow and cursor and type on the same interface. This is very nice.

    Anyone who has even a bit of RSI can identify with my hatred, or at least ambivilance toward mice. My tendons ache at the thought of so many mice in the world..
  • Put it on the left (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MhzJnky ( 443677 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:16PM (#6937013) Homepage
    I'm not sure how many people have tried this, but you really should put your mouse on the left, that's where it belongs.

    The number pad on the right of most keyboards puts the mouse to far over to be realy comfortable.

    Plus, for you FPS fans, it's very handy to have your right hand on the number pad and the left on the mouse. If you re-map the keys you never have to move to any other section of the keyboard.

    I allways laughed at those special keypads for playing games... you've alread got one, just move your mouse over 18 inches.

    (for full discloser I am left handed, but it was a righty that showed me the light)
  • My mice... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Sylver Dragon ( 445237 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:17PM (#6937017) Journal
    Well, one of the first mice I ever used was one of those screwy Pen-Mice. It was an attempt to make the mouse similar to a known technology, a pen; but it failed miserably. You had to hold it just so, the buttons were annoying to work with, and the cord (which came out the top) was forever in the way. It was an interesting concept, but just wasn't right.
    My current "mouse" is a Logitech Marble FX trackball. It has got to be the most comfortable pointing device I have ever used, and I like the ability to simply pull my fingers away, and the cursor doesn't move, even when I click the buttons. I could never get that from a mouse, clicking always caused me to move a bit this way or that.

  • by pla ( 258480 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:17PM (#6937019) Journal
    I somehow don't think the mouse will be replaced anytime soon.

    Probably not, but I'd like to see them vanish.

    For delicate work, such as purely digital drawing, mice force the user to use the whole wrist and arm, rather than far more dextrous fingers. For coarse work like web browsing, mice far exceed the precision needed.

    I'd like a wireless optical thimble, myself - A sort of finger-cap that tracks the surface you place it on, and you can tap your finger to click. Far better for art, and far lighter and less encumbering for "normal" work. Alas, I don't think such a devce exists. :-(
  • Apple ADB Mouse (Score:3, Interesting)

    by BandwidthHog ( 257320 ) * <inactive.slashdo ... icallyenough.com> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:17PM (#6937022) Homepage Journal
    The old square one, with the front two thirds sloped down. I used those almost exclusively from '88 till I could afford a big, honking Kensington trackball. (yes, that's actually a billiard ball in those things.) Best tracking mouse I've ever used, although I wouldn't trade the wheel and seven buttons of my Logitech MX-500 for anything. Well, I'd trade 'em for $100, 'cause I can get another one for less than that. But you get the point.
  • by Vargasan ( 610063 ) <swhisken@rogers. c o m> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:19PM (#6937051) Homepage
    I have an old Trackman Marble and two Cordless Optical Marbles.
    Best "mouse" I've ever owned. Who needs mousepads?!
  • by blakespot ( 213991 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:20PM (#6937054) Homepage
    Check out this anime-styled mouse [insanefine.com] designed by the creator of the "Ghost In The Shell" series. I have on on order.

    Link to my not-quite-ready-yet site - maybe 7 days premature but whatever, it's been a long day at the office.

    Cheers.


    blakespot

  • by Experiment 626 ( 698257 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:25PM (#6937109)
    I really liked the optical mice about 12 years ago that were put out by Mouse Systems, and the ones on the Sun workstations at the time. Sure, optical is mainstream stuff now, but these cutting edge mice were so ahead of their time... how many people had an optical mouse on their 386?

    Unlike the modern opticals, however, the early ones didn't let you use any old surface as a mouse pad. They came with special metal mouse pads with a tiny grid of shiny and not-as-shiny areas for the mouse to track. Get the pad too scratched or dented and your mouse started working funny. I liked the pads though, having your mouse on a futuristic metal surface instead of the usual felt-covered rubber was all part of the charm.

  • Amstrad 1512 mouse (Score:2, Interesting)

    by adeyadey ( 678765 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:25PM (#6937110) Journal

    Mine was the mouse that came with the Amstrad 1512 [digidome.nl] , europes first really affordable mouse orientated PC clone. Ah, running GEM off a single 360K FD (no HD).. And that nice clunky mouse cursor when you ran the QBASIC 2.0 compiler..

  • Re:Wuss (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Alan ( 347 ) <arcterex@NoSPaM.ufies.org> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:42PM (#6937291) Homepage

    No ball, no sticking, no cleaning

    They lie! My main bitch about the optical mice I've used is that because they are sliding around generally on the desk without a mousepad the feet that they glide on get horribly gummed up from dust and whatever random junk ends up on your desk, making them stick and feel like they give me far worse control than my venerable old MS OEM ball mouse which slides along it's 3m mousepad and has a ball that requires far less cleaning than my optical mouses feet :(

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:46PM (#6937337)
    And somehow they have violated entropy and managed to tie the cables of *all* of them together, on their own.

    It's only a violation of the laws of physics if it happens in a closed system. In this case, the mice at some point probably borrowed all this order from elsewhere (now left in complete disorder)... that elsewhere possibly being Darl McBride's brain.
  • by The Lynxpro ( 657990 ) <<lynxpro> <at> <gmail.com>> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @06:57PM (#6937433)
    I think its time Logitech brought out a decent wireless mouse that uses Bluetooth and does not require its own branded USB-to-Bluetooth adapter like the Microsoft products. And while we're at it, a Bluetooth based wireless keyboard that matches the Microsoft Elite series, again without requiring the use of their own branded adapter.
  • by Chris Hanson ( 1683 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @07:07PM (#6937509) Homepage
    Actually, MousePaint was a port of LisaPaint.

    Look at the title bar of the window, and the items in the menu bar, and then look at some screen shots of the Apple Lisa.

    The giveaways: The File menu is called "File/Print" and the stripes in the window title bar are vertical, not horizontal as on the Mac.

    (My first mouse was for my Apple //c as well, in 1985 or 1986 I think, and I also happen to own a used Apple Lisa 2/10.)
  • Also the chord-board (Score:3, Interesting)

    by John_Sauter ( 595980 ) <John_Sauter@systemeyescomputerstore.com> on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:13PM (#6938062) Homepage
    I had the privilege, along with many others, of getting a personal demonstration of the mouse from Doug Engelbart when I was at Stanford in the 1960s. In addition to the mouse he demonstrated a device that has not yet become popular: the chord-board. As I recall it was six levers, one for each finger plus two for the thumb, so you could operate it with either your right or your left hand. By pressing the levers in various combinations he could enter data into the computer. The only similar device I have seen since is the keyboard used by court reporters.
    John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)
  • by SharpFang ( 651121 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:14PM (#6938065) Homepage Journal
    Classic logitech mouse with wheel... But with mods.

    Inertia wheel. I removed the clickety-click mechanism of the wheel, and ordered a metal replacement for the rubber band - a pretty heavy iron ring. Now with a single strong push I may scroll 20-30 pages (while seeing them all as they scroll by!) and stop by putting my finger against the spinning wheel when I see the section I've been looking for. Causes some problems in games (like unwanted weapons switching) but is absolutely superb when it comes to websurfing and all no-game work. BTW, assign "fire" to "mouse up" and you get instant autofire ;)

    Thumb RMB. Since the inertia wheel is slightly bigger than the original one, I can't use it as middle mouse button. All the better, I've placed one in the side of the mouse, under my thumb. It's VERY comfortable. Far more than the wheel was. No moving fingers from button to button, just press with thumb and get things pasted :)

    And prettifiers... Some plastic that is used in "emergency route" labels and shines in the darkness, around the wheel, to mask the hole edges and an op amp tapped into data lines and powered from the power lines with output to a LED placed under the thumb button, blinking on any mouse activity.
  • by 5.11Climber ( 578513 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @08:21PM (#6938112)
    Boy this takes me back!

    Back in 1981 I used a system called DNLS at an Air Force base in Alabama. The system was connected to a large DEC mainframe and consisted of a regular terminal with a bulky mechanical 3-button mouse with huge metal wheels on the bottom used t o track X and Y axis movement and accompanied by a device with 5 levers that sat under your non-mouse hand that was used to enter text. The idea roughly was that you could position the cursor anywhere on an 80x24 screen and enter or modify any text on the screen with the keyset using a 5-bit binary code for each letter. It was conceivable to perform work without having to touch the keyboard!

    Talk about being on the leading edge...
  • Re:crosshairs? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dfung ( 68701 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:09PM (#6938390)
    There are certainly good things about pads/digitizers vs. mice, but I'm definitely a mouse man. The weird thing about using a digitizing pad is that there's that odd extra state of the pointing device - when it's out of range. The mouse relative position is always valid, but when you write software, I personally found that it was an extra effort to handle the out of range case - sort of "what should the feedback be now?"

    The other thing that mice are really great compared to digitizers is that cursor acceleration can be implemented in a very transparent manner. On a pad, you generally want a more linear tracking function, for those people and apps that actually involve looking at where the device is (for tracing or entering points). I guess you could have a sort of relative pointing mode on the tablet for mouse simulation if you really wanted to.

    Certainly the sophistication of what you can do with a modern tablet like a Wacom is pretty amazing. The latest ones detect and transmit pressure at the tip, it can independently track both ends of the stylus (so you can have "ink" on one end and an "eraser" on the other in your favorite paint program). With the ability to track both ends, there are some tricky apps that even read the slant of the pen and take action based on that - not that I've ever been able to do anything useful with that function.

  • by stickb0y ( 260670 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @09:09PM (#6938391)
    I saw a brief interview with Engelbart on TechTV a couple years ago in response to tactile mice (like Logitech's iFeel mouse), and he had some interesting things to say about mouse evolution.

    One of the things he mentioned was that instead of a mouseball, his original mouse used two orthogonal wheels arranged in an L-shape. If you tilted the mouse, it would rest on only one of the wheels. Depending on which wheel it was resting, you then could move the mouse perfectly horizontally or vertically.

    This would be kind of useful in CAD work. Modern mice don't do this, although I guess nowadays it's easier and more accurate to restrict movement via software.
  • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Thursday September 11, 2003 @10:46PM (#6939115) Journal
    One of my former colleagues, when we were visiting Doug one day, had the bright idea of having him autograph his mouse.

    Doug duly autographed it - and mentioned that this was the first time anybody had asked him. (This was in the late '80s or early '90s, so it wasn't like nobody had had the opportunity.)

    So at that point he had the only Engelbart-autographed mouse. (And even if somebody else has asked since - which the rest of us didn't to avoid me-too ism and maintain the value of HIS mouse - he still has the first.)

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