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GNOME Foundation Board Election Results 242

Posted by michael from the gnews-you-can-use dept.
Anonymous BillyGoat writes "The results of the 2003 GNOME Foundation Elections have been announced. These are preliminary results, and will stand unless someone decides to challenge them. A notable exclusion from this year's list is Miguel De Icaza, whose candidacy application was rejected as it missed the deadline. In related news, barely a few weeks after the news of the death of GNOME hacker Chema Celorio in a sky diving accident, the GNOME community was shocked by the news of the sudden death of Evolution hacker Ettore Perazzoli."
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  • Ettore (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    ...was a great guy. Too sad to see him leave. :(

    Anyone's know how he actually died?

  • Excluded? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by KlomDark ( 6370 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:38PM (#7705776) Homepage Journal
    How can Miguel be excluded? Didn't he start the whole thing? That's be like excluding Linus from a Linux Foundation. Just makes the Gnome Foundation seem like a joke if they leave the founding member out.

    • Re:Excluded? (Score:3, Funny)

      by tds67 ( 670584 )
      Just makes the Gnome Foundation seem like a joke if they leave the founding member out.

      Considering the high mortality rate associated with being part of GNOME, it's probably a good thing.

    • Re:Excluded? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by azzy ( 86427 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:40PM (#7705798) Journal
      No, what would make it a joke is if they ignored all of their rules for someone, regardless of who that was.
      • Oh yah, rules are so important. Give us a break.

        Make him a permanent/honorary/founding member. That's done a lot to retain "keeper" people in a certain group.

        For every rule, there's an exception...

        • Re:Excluded? (Score:4, Funny)

          by Lussarn ( 105276 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @06:40PM (#7706460)
          Yes, like David Wexelblat of XFree. He is in the core team without even using XFree because he is a windows user now. Sounds smart.

      • Re:Excluded? (Score:2, Insightful)

        by the gnat ( 153162 )
        No, what would make it a joke is if they ignored all of their rules for someone, regardless of who that was.

        "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
        -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
      • Does that make the UN a joke? The Security Council has permanent members.

        LS

    • Re:Excluded? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by pr0c ( 604875 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:40PM (#7705804)
      Ya but you also lose integrity by allowing people who don't meet deadlines to slip by. It is a lose/lose situation really. I'm sure Miguel will still be very involved.

    • Re:Excluded? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by ebuck ( 585470 )
      Airplanes don't wait for passenger 42 to come on board, even when passenger 42 is a politician or powerful businessman.

      Universities don't "reopen" enrollment for a tardy applicant, without compromising their perception of fairness.

      Deadlines exist. Mabye the years of missing them in software development has numbed us, but they still exist. And as much as I find it ironic that Miguel isn't on board, let's not cry that he deserves a spot when he couldn't be bothered to get his application in on time.

      If he

  • don't trust it (Score:5, Funny)

    by TedCheshireAcad ( 311748 ) <ted@fUMLAUTc.rit.edu minus punct> on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:40PM (#7705795) Homepage
    Don't trust these results. They used Diebold machines.

  • Who gets to vote? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by zomper514 ( 235646 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:40PM (#7705796) Homepage Journal
    Who gets to vote for the Gnome Board?
  • I stopped caring about Gnome at about the time they started deciding Metacity is good and should be the default. When Metacity's maker puts out an egotistical manifesto that says all the features in a window manager that don't match up exactly to his way of working are just immature fluff to him, then I'm not going to want to use the thing he makes based on that philosophy. (Apparently, for example, he thinks that outline-dragged windows are frivolous fluff, while solid-dragged windows are the only usefu
    • You know, in general, I have the same ideals for a desktop, and you know what? I don't use Gnome. When I'm using Linux, I use KDE, and I assume you do too given that it's the only remotely customizeable WM.

      However, it seems to me that those that care that much about CPU cycles and that little about the UI might be better off with IceWM or XFCE or Blackbox or one of those other WMs (all of which I can't tolerate using myself, but might serve this purpose well). Gnome seems to me to provide a decent balance

      • Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by DunbarTheInept ( 764 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @06:13PM (#7706186) Homepage

        I use KDE, and I assume you do too given that it's the only remotely customizeable WM.
        I didn't before. I used to prefer Gnome over KDE, but I switched to KDE after the pile of dung that is Gnome 2.0 showed me that Gnome is a dead end now. What annoys me about the Metacity manifesto is how it ruined the future of what *had been* my preferred interface.

        I'd use blackbox or icewm, except that I hate the look and feel of NeXT that they try to emulate. It doesn't waste computer resources to have resize bars on *all* sides of a window. There's no reason to make you have to use a little button down on the lower corners.
        • What annoys me about the Metacity manifesto is how it ruined the future of what *had been* my preferred interface.

          Do you honestly believe you have to use Metacity? You can use any GNOME-compliant WM. In the Sessions pref. panel, just disable the restart status of metacity, launch the WM you want, and flag it with restart status. Logout, checking the 'save session' checkbox, and log back in. Pretty easy.

      • When I'm using Linux, I use KDE, and I assume you do too given that it's the only remotely customizeable WM.

        [cough]Enlightenment[cough]

        KWin customisable? What else have you tried?! Sit down and spend some time with FVWM or Enlightenment (no, it isn't dead) and learn what customisation actually means. And you can use either of those within both KDE and GNOME, so choosing based on window managers is, well, dumb.

        Jedidiah.
        • I don't think I've heard of KWin...

          As for FVWM and Enlightenment, if they are indeed as customizeable as you claim, then either the capabilities are not easy to find and change, or the features have been added since I last tried them (about a year ago). However, my impression at the time was that if you wanted a feature-rich WM like KDE (which I do), you might just as soon write one from scratch as start from FVWM or Enlightenment.
          • I don't think I've heard of KWin...

            KWin is the WM that KDE uses. KDE is a desktop environment, which basically means it consists of the WM, a 'panel', a file manager, and a few other things. All KWin does is draw the decorations on window borders (the title bars, min/max/close/sticky buttons, etc) and places windows when apps are launched. Apparently you mean KDE is the most customizable DE.

            You don't actually have to run the WM provided with the DE, either. So you can actually run KDE with Enlightenmen

          • Well, if you tell me what exactly it is that you want to be able to configure I can tell you how you can do that in Enlightenment. Kwin, or KWM, or whatever they are calling the KDE window manager currently is NOT all that configurable.

            If you're willing to take a little time to understand FVWM configuration files you'll soon find that you can actually make that window manager do pretty anything you want.

            As I say, tell me what you want to configure, and I assure you I can tell you some way to do it in Enl
            • Thanks for the offer, but actually KDE (Kwin or KWM I guess) does everything I want, with the single possible exception of allocating screen space to gaim or kopete such that maximizing windows doesn't cover it. On the off chance you know how to do that in KDE by all means please inform me, although this is getting WAY off topic. :)

              Actually, one of the main things that I want is a good GUI config tool, which KDE (KWM?) provides ("Control Center").

              Also, apologies if I unjustly slandered other WMs. It was u
    • While I agree that the Gnome OS itself is not ideal, and tend to stick to KDE, I certainly care about Gnome programs. Gaim, Gimp, and Gnumeric are all key on my launcher list, and Ghaleon is a second Mozilla more or less (and having an alternate web browser in case something goes wrong is always a good plan).

    • Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:59PM (#7706042)
      Gnome took a turn for the worse when Gnome 2.0 was released and it hasn't recovered since. At least now they aren't playing catch-up with KDE anymore. They are trying to innovate and do new things. This is good. The problem is that those new things suck. This is bad.

      • Re:Who cares about gnome? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by pyros ( 61399 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @08:11PM (#7707268) Journal
        Gnome took a turn for the worse when Gnome 2.0 was released and it hasn't recovered since.

        Matter of opinion. I happen to think the jump from 2.0 to 1.4 was the first big leap towards being useable on a personal desktop, and it's been getting better ever since. I think File Type application association sucked ass in earlier versions of GNOME. Nautilus has made considerable speed and memory improvements. The panel kicks butt. they used to have different kinds of panels you could add/configure. Finally in 2.4 they figured out that they're all just panels. So now it's one kind of panel you can put whereever you want, and you can put any and all available applets on it. Some people really hate metacity. I can honestly say that I've had no change in usage patterns or productivity during the transition from Enlightenment to Sawfish to Metacity. Now we have the emerging gstreamer audio/video subsystem for GNOME apps to hook into. Totem and Rhythmbox are pretty sweet. I still use xmms every now and then, but I like having my little systray applet for rhytmbox. (I never liked the xmms gnome panel applet)

        What exactly do you think got worse from 1.4 to 2.0?

        • My problem with Gnome2 is the philosophy change of gnome.

          The main argument why Gnome 1 was better than KDE always was "it's more configurable", "I can change it to behave the way *I* want it to"

          Now with Gnome 2 it's suddenly options are bad, simplicity, Joe Average, etc (Actually the last time I tried Gnome Nautilus showed folder contents case sensitive and I didn't find an option to change that - I can't imagine that my mom would want it that way, perhaps I'm blind but imho it's the wrong setting neverth

          • "The main argument why Gnome 1 was better than KDE always was "it's more configurable""

            Average users don't care about thousands of configuration options! They want things to just work!
            Your attitude is exactly what is being criticized by the "Linux-aint-ready-for-the-desktop-util-people-cha n ge-their-attitude"-Slashdotters all the time.

            And if you like config options so much? Why not just use KDE? KDE sounds exactly like what you want.
            The two desktop projects have to have different goals! Why the hell do
            • Huh? Did you read my post at all?

              The question was why some liked 1.4 better than 2 - I just said that the fact that 2 had a totally different goal might have something to do with it. Actually in the case of Epiphany/Galeon it was worse enough that there was a split.

              My other point was that if you reduce the number of options choosing the important ones and choosing the right default settings becomes *very* important and I don't agree with them on some decisions.

            • On a scale of configurability, it ranks like this:

              Gnome 1.x - most configurable.
              KDE - medium amount of configurability.
              Gnome 2.x - least configurable.

              So, those who like configurability lost the most configurable platform when Gnome 2 came out and Gnome 1.x was no longer being worked on, and had to settle for the one that *previously* had been less configurable - KDE. No, KDE is not "exactly" what we want. It's just the only thing left nowadays.
    • AMEN. Responsiveness in the (G)UI is incredibly important for me. If its slower than windows (95 era or 98lite micro) then I'll stick to the CLI. I want my alternative OS to be faster, slimmer, and more stable.

      But then, thats a large reason why I don't use either GNOME or KDE. I stick with black/fluxbox, XFCE, or possibly windowmaker. Honestly, when I buy a hard drive for good seek times, fine tune my swap partition(s) and span them across multiple drives, use IDE/SCSI sw/hw RAID, and remove all but th

  • Gnome (Score:4, Funny)

    by Archangel Michael ( 180766 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:48PM (#7705896) Journal
    Aren't Gnomes and Trolls Related?

    • Re:Gnome (Score:5, Funny)

      by strictnein ( 318940 ) * <strictfoo-slashd ... m ['oo.' in gap]> on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:51PM (#7705948) Homepage Journal
      No no no...

      Gnomes steal your underwear.
      Trolls smell like your underwear.

      It's very easy to get the two confused...

      Although, now I'm confused. My definition directly relates them. They are connected through.... my underwear. Hmmm... must do more research on the subject.
    • dunno. gnomes are wimps, unless you're a tourist or something and want to keep some weaponless game or something.

      but trolls keep on coming back after you kill them, rock trolls & etc are bitchy.

      man i hate them, especially when i'm satiated and can't eat them to get rid of the bodies so that they can't rise back to life.

      this voting though puzzles me, i though the gnomes had a king??? his wine cellar sucks though.

  • It is an official conspiracy now (Score:4, Funny)

    by segment ( 695309 ) <sil@po l i t r i x .org> on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:49PM (#7705914) Homepage Journal

    Two election based articles...One day? I think Slashdot is now trying to sway the vote.

    Vote No to proposal #4839562358096-2385178934569384560345934(a(b)(d)) titled "More Electoral Based Articles on Slashdot"

  • Sad (Score:4, Insightful)

    by pavon ( 30274 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:50PM (#7705920)
    If I remember right Ettore Perazzoli was also largly responcible for the GNOME Virtual File System code (transparently opening tarballs as folders, FTP etc) which in my opinion was the only good thing to come out of the Nautilus project.

    • Re:Sad (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Abcd1234 ( 188840 )
      Err, AFAIR, the GNOME VFS layer existed long before Nautilus... it was part of Gnome Commander.

  • Conspiracy theory (Score:5, Funny)

    by daserver ( 524964 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:50PM (#7705926) Homepage
    Anyone seen Antitrust?

    • Antitrust [imdb.com] was an excellent movie, much better than I expected.

      Someone should inform Billy that it was poking fun at him... it was not meant as a how-to!

  • Gnome == Novell, Sun, Red Hat (Score:5, Interesting)

    by chill ( 34294 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:51PM (#7705950) Journal
    Novell had 5 people elected, but the charter doesn't all that many from 1 company, so 4 will sit on the board.

    Sun & Red Hat had 2 each.

    That means of the 11 sitting members, a super-majority (2/3) is in the hands of 3 big companies.

    Hmmm... the big boys are starting to pay attention. I hope this is a good thing.

    -Charles Hill
    • I think what it means is that GNOME's direction will be towards meeting the needs of Enterprise and business users. This may not be the direction that many hobbyists and Linux enthusiasts want. Fortunately, for those users there are other choices: KDE, XFCE, Enlightenment, GNUStep, and others.

    • Re:Gnome == Novell, Sun, Red Hat (Score:5, Interesting)

      by bogie ( 31020 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @07:23PM (#7706869) Journal
      Well Sun and Red Hat have done well by Gnome up till now so I don't see why it wouldn't be good thing. Heck if Red Hat had gone KDE like everyone else did instead of pushing a rather unfit at the time Gnome, there is no way Gnome would be where it is today.

      The real wild card here is Novell. Novell is the outsider here and it remains to be seen if there goals will align with the opensource community's goals longterm. Sure the names ie Nat are the same for now, but Novell is going to the ones pulling the strings.

      I have to say even though I've read only good things about what Novell plans to do, it's going to be years before I can trust them. Novell wasn't exactly big in Open Source before buying Suse and Ximian.

      Two things I'd love to see are opening up YAST and Ximian's exchange connector. Its would nice to see a Truly Free,Open, and Redistributable Suse. An open Connector would really help out in getting Linux on those corportate desktops.
      • Two things I'd love to see are opening up YAST and Ximian's exchange connector. Its would nice to see a Truly Free,Open, and Redistributable Suse. An open Connector would really help out in getting Linux on those corportate desktops.

        While I don't use Suse, I'd love to see YAST opened up. I get really pissed off about how much flack Red Hat takes when they give all their tools back to the community and Suse doesn't.

        Regarding Connector, it'd be cool but I doubt it would happen. They're pushing the Groupwi

    • Novell had 5 people elected

      The fifth was excluded you ignoramous.
      • The fifth was excluded you ignoramous.

        From my original post... but the charter doesn't all that many from 1 company, so 4 will sit on the board.

        Learn to read complete sentences you ignoramous.

        -Charles

  • Myth #11 about open source (Score:4, Funny)

    by afternoon_nap ( 640340 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:56PM (#7706006)
    It will withstand the /. effect:

    Warning: Too many connections in /var/www/html/fast.php on line 4

    Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Too many connections in /var/www/html/fast.php on line 4 Unable to select database

  • Ettore's blog (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zr-rifle ( 677585 ) <zedr@@@zedr...com> on Friday December 12, 2003 @05:57PM (#7706015) Homepage
    Here is Ettore's blog [perazzoli.org], updated to 29 November.

    On a side note, it's moving to browse through the weblog of someone who has died recently. I never knew Ettore, although I regularly use and love Evolution, but from his entries I see he was a very nice person while also being a talented hacker.

    • Re:Ettore's blog (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Yes, especially considering his note from Sunday, November 2, 2003:

      • Life goes on.
    • On a side note, it's moving to browse through the weblog of someone who has died recently.

      I find it interesting in general to track -- in retrospect -- major events in blogs and email. For example, my own email archives have a conversation between me and another person, discussing how we're going to go skydiving the next day.

      The next email is dated about three weeks later, "here's some other event we missed while I was in the hospital."

  • 11 seats on the board and only 12 people were to be voted for? IMHO simply adding one seat to the board would have been better than playing "Gnome Board Survivor" to see who gets voted off the island.. Poor Sri Ramkrishna.

    The other weird thing is it sounds like Miguel was disqualified on a technicality? Considering he's the one name that most people probably associate with Gnome, having him miss being on the board because of something like this just seems wrong.

    - Steve

  • Dear /. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Nodatadj ( 28279 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @06:14PM (#7706207) Journal
    GNOME got a new logo 2 years ago...

    Not about time to change?

  • Death Announcement Reprint (Score:3, Interesting)

    by chuckw ( 15728 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @07:07PM (#7706686) Homepage Journal
    Some people are getting MySQL errors so here's a copy I managed to snag:

    According to Nat's blog and numerous other blogs, Chema Celorio died yesterday skydiving in Mexico.

    "The always enthusiastic and charming Chema Celorio died yesterday skydiving in Mexico.

    For those of you not in Ximian who don't know, Chema started and ran our Mexico City office, led the Ximian Setup Tools team a few years ago, was in charge of the team that managed our contract with HP, led the Ximian Desktop for a while, was one of the creators of GNOME Love, and was recently our lead sales engineer for Europe.

    Chema was one of the most loving, passionate people I have known. Being around Chema always made you want to do more and try harder. He was always questioning himself, trying to grow, taking on new challenges and never backing down.

    When I went to visit our office in Mexico I stayed at Chema's house and gripped the door handle on his car till my nuckles turned white when he drove us to work. Whenever he wasn't on sales trips or skydiving he seemed to be in my office asking good hard questions and always pushing for us to do more.

    Chema was easy to love, and he will be easy to miss. "

    Descanse En Paz

  • Why did Ettore Perazzoli Pass Away Exactly? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Listen Up ( 107011 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @08:52PM (#7707542)
    Why did Ettore Perazzoli Pass Away Exactly? Every place I look, every is sad of his death, but nowhere can I find out how and why he died. Does anyone know?

  • miguel still part of things! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Xtifr ( 1323 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @09:07PM (#7707640) Homepage
    He may not be an official member of the GNOME Foundation Board, but that hardly means that he's no longer a leader of the GNOME project itself. Let's keep some perspective here. I seriously doubt if anyone is saying, "he didn't meet the election deadline, we'd better shut off his CVS access." Or even, "we'd better stop listening to what he has to say."

    It's even possible that not being on the Foundation could allow Miguel to spend more time actually working on GNOME.

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