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Mozilla's Year In Review For 2003 192

An anonymous reader writes "Like last year, MozillaZine has published a review of Mozilla's world in 2003. Obviously, the year was dominated by AOL's decision to murder Netscape (though various acts of 'brand necrophilia' will ensure that the Netscape name lives on in one form or another). This, combined with Mozilla Firebird's and Mozilla Thunderbird's steady progress towards replacing the Mozilla suite, made 2003 very much a transitional year for the open source project. Other memories to tell your grandchildren include mozilla.org's fifth birthday, the new roadmap, the Firebird name debate and a new chapter being added to The Book of Mozilla."
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Mozilla's Year In Review For 2003

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  • by bc90021 ( 43730 ) * <`bc90021' `at' `bc90021.net'> on Thursday January 01, 2004 @08:38AM (#7852124) Homepage
    ...I must say that I am looking forward to 2004! As time goes on, their products get better and better, and if being able to convince my cow orkers to use Mozilla is any indication, MS could learn a thing or two about what to put in a free browser. ;)
  • Re:I wonder (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ErrorBase ( 692520 ) <errorbase@hotmail.com> on Thursday January 01, 2004 @08:39AM (#7852126)
    I set it up to block the advertizing (adblock and flachkill) and it runs blasingly fast, also i need less time to klick away windows noone want.
  • Although... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ChocolateCheeseCake ( 728330 ) on Thursday January 01, 2004 @08:39AM (#7852130)
    The person simoniker class the whole episode as "Netscape murdered by AOL", the fact remains that the sooner Mozilla moves away from AOL and towards being a non-profit organisation that is user centric rather than buzz word centric the better. The unfortunate thing is that there is now a lack of developers but hopefully with the new political structure, more developers can be encouraged to help out with the same vigor and determination ones sees in other projects, for example, FreeBSD or the Linux kernel. Firebird is a nice browser and hopefully they will start using native widgets rather than the ugly GTK like widgets being used now. With that being said, one could quesiton whether Mozilla has a relevance outside developing a rendering engine. GNOME has standardised on Epiphany for the browser and Evolution for the eMail/Contact manager, so where does the Mozilla foundation fit in. In some ways, this will be good. If they can instead concerntrate on the guts and gore and let the various projects like kmeleon, Epiphany and Camino concerntrate on the native front end, hopefully development will pick up and some of those really old render bugs in Mozilla's bugzilla are fixed.
  • by GeckoFood ( 585211 ) <geckofood@nosPAM.gmail.com> on Thursday January 01, 2004 @08:41AM (#7852133) Journal

    As much as I like Mozilla, Mozilla does a miserable job rendering ./'s site. It worked great for a very long time, doing a better job than MSIE, but now what I get is digital peanut butter when I come to ./ with Mozilla. Sometimes, it just skips the articles and leaves a bunch of little buttons all over everywhere. Other times, everything gets rendered to the same line. Anyone else have the same problem?

    I have not tried the new Firebird on /. yet, maybe that'll fix whatever's broke?

  • by Mmm coffee ( 679570 ) on Thursday January 01, 2004 @08:47AM (#7852145) Journal
    Switched completely to Linux a few months ago and Opera was the only killer app that I *HAD* to have through the switch. Mouse gestures, speed, well laid out keyboard shortcuts, etc. I'd go on but I'd be preaching to the choir.

    After reading a lot of Stallman's writings I decided to let go of even Opera and totally switch to Free software. I was very apprehensive because Opera was the second coming of Jesus as far as I was concerned.

    Went to Mozilla.org, Decided against getting the full fledged mozilla because I remembered it being bloated as all hell, got Firebird instead. Downloaded a ton of plugins, fixed everything to where it felt right.

    I'm a total convert. Firebird will kick oh so much ass by the time it hits 1.0. It's design is as simple as IE, which is the #1 reason people cite IE as their favorite browser. It's small, almost as fast as Opera, all the features that I loved in Opera are available through plugins, and all the features I didn't use aren't in Firebird because I didn't install them. I have since fallen in love with tabbed browsing. Used to think that browsing three or four sites at once was kinda stupid, but once I got used to tabs in Firebird I began to see myself doing the exact same thing. ;)

    The Mozilla project has come a VERY long ways since it first came to be. If you've tried Mozilla out earlier and were disappointed, get it now. Get Firebird. Get Thunderbird. Install plugins to your hearts content. You will be very well surprised.

    And hey, you'll be using Free software so that's a huge plus, in my eyes.
  • by GeckoFood ( 585211 ) <geckofood@nosPAM.gmail.com> on Thursday January 01, 2004 @09:01AM (#7852188) Journal

    I have this problem with Mozilla (V 1.5) as well.

    I have 1.4 (have not bothered to update yet), and you have described the exact problem I am seeing. Weird part is, it was fine up until recently, and now it just doesn't quite fly. Maybe ./ changed something...

    I also have found that when I download various media files, such as mpg's, the file achieved from the download is not readable/usable by my media player. Have you seen this problem?

    No, I haven't had this problem. Downloads aren't a problem. I usually use a third-party download manager instead of the one built in, but Mozilla's d/l manager has never posed a problem.
  • by Krapangor ( 533950 ) on Thursday January 01, 2004 @09:01AM (#7852189) Homepage
    The development team focused mainly on minor technical and legalistic issues like the naming of firebird, code clean up etc.
    But they failed completely to incoperate the rising new mark-up technologies like XML-Signature [ietf.org] or WebCGM [w3.org].
    If this development continues this year, Mozilla might lose it's technical lead to IE or Opera. And open source software might be again only the second winner.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 01, 2004 @09:13AM (#7852218)
    You might be interested to see Alistapart's redesign of slashdot [alistapart.com], which retains the old look-and-feel but is entirely CSS-based.

    It's been some while since I stumbled across that, and it would be very nice were the Slashdot coders to adopt it.
  • Sorry But ... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by osewa77 ( 603622 ) <naijasms@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Thursday January 01, 2004 @09:17AM (#7852227) Homepage
    Hi, I used to use Mozilla on RedHat Linux simply because it was the best avaliable browser and it was slow. I recently tested the Firebird both on Linux and Windows and the experience was just as fast as IE. I see Mozilla as the browser you use "outside Windows", period. (it used to be Opera for me because of the performance issues until Firebird). So 5 stars to the Mozilla team! If only there was a way to get explorer plugins to work with Mozilla on Unix...
  • by thinkninja ( 606538 ) on Thursday January 01, 2004 @09:19AM (#7852234) Homepage Journal
    I've been using Firebird since 0.4 and I love it. However, no matter what I do or say I simply cannot get others to give it a try.

    They're quite prepared to install junk like bonzai buddy and various dancing things on their desktop but categorically refuse to try another browser. "I use Internet Explorer", they say and look at me like I just suggested they make love to the electric pencil sharpener.

    I've long since given up trying.
  • by Ender Ryan ( 79406 ) <MONET minus painter> on Thursday January 01, 2004 @10:43AM (#7852428) Journal
    Similarly, sure tabs are cool but if you never use them who cares? Personally I do a fair bit of research and I find no use for tabs. I can only read one screen at a time so I don't care for tabs.

    What, don't you have ADHD like the rest of us? *grin*

    Seriously, I find it to be too much of a PITA to browse without tabs anymore, but to each his own.

    How about security, though? You know, there are still huge gaping holes in IE that will allow "untrusted" software to install itself without user interaction. Heh, I witnessed it the other day, as I didn't believe it and had to see for myself.

    Watch your step... err... mouse. p /.

  • by bhtooefr ( 649901 ) <[gro.rfeoothb] [ta] [rfeoothb]> on Thursday January 01, 2004 @10:49AM (#7852466) Homepage Journal
    Myself, I still prefer Opera. I guess I've gotten used to it's quirks... BTW, my favorite browsers:
    1. Opera 7.2x
    2. Firebird 0.6/7
    3. MSIE 6.0
    4. Mozilla 1.5/6a

    Firebird is very promising, and it'll make a good drop-in replacement for IE. I use Thunderbird as my mail client (hint to Opera: innovation's good, but not when it's a synonym for shitting - eliminate M2) - it's got great spam filtering (it gets the occasional false positive, but it's learning - bayesian filters will take over the world).
  • by Tenebrious1 ( 530949 ) on Thursday January 01, 2004 @12:31PM (#7852858) Homepage
    My New Year's Resolution is to switch completely off MS products. After a month, MS still has not come up with a patch to fix the IE "double page scroll" bug (introduced in a critical security patch). Not being able to scroll down a page made reading /. a real pain in the ass.

    Yeah, I could replace the offending file myself, or use the PgUp/Dn keys, but really, a security patch for IE that breaks IE is too much.

    I've been using Mozilla Firebird about half the time, and IE the other half since it's just easier to keep using it after I've opened it to get to sites reqiring IE.

    But to hell with those sites. To hell with Microsoft. I'll be spending the rest of my holidays purging the last remnants of MS from my desktops and my laptop. I'd been straddling the fence for years... thanks Bill, you've made up my mind for me.

  • by Mustang Matt ( 133426 ) on Thursday January 01, 2004 @12:34PM (#7852881)
    I'm in the same boat. I was a dedicated Opera user and decided to switch to firebird.

    Firebird is awesome, but there are still a lot of things that Opera did better.

    Most of them are minor, but they're things I used regularly and I miss greatly.

    For instance.
    1. When you browse forward and back the keyboard doesn't have the focus on a page, so if you use the page up/down keys you get nothing. If you hit control F to search the page, it pops up but doesn't search the page.
    2. I liked Opera's save session ability. Mozilla has this and it works pretty well, but not quite as well as Opera. For instance, I like having the ability to force my groups of pages load up in a new tabbed browser. Mozilla throws them into the current browser.
    3. I really really miss the ability to save the pages I was on when I close the browser and also to load those same pages up in the event the browser crashes. Mozilla *almost* has this setting. It has visit the last page on startup, but I want to visit the last tabbed group on startup.
    4. This one really bugs me. Maybe it's just a bug because it doesn't happen everytime, but when you jump forward and back through pages, sometimes the page doesn't go back to where you were scrolled, it goes back to the top of the page. Ugh! Makes it a pain to search ebay because you go to an item and then go back and you're at the top of the page, you hit page down or control F but the page doesn't have focus! argh!

    I think those are my top 4 pet peeves. As a developer there are a couple of css issues (margins and borders) that I don't like, but those are minor and generally workable.
  • by nickos ( 91443 ) on Thursday January 01, 2004 @01:09PM (#7853093)
    I have a Win2k box at my folks place which has Firebird and Thunderbird set up, and while I was staying with them over Christmas my Dad was telling me how stupid the name was. He's an academic with a linguistics background but completely computer illiterate (for example he double clicks everything). The (in his opinion) silly name gave him less confidence in the software.

    I think the name's daft too but found myself defending it to my Dad. It's probably a silly corporate thing...
  • Re:Although... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Feztaa ( 633745 ) on Thursday January 01, 2004 @10:57PM (#7856802) Homepage
    Then you lose cross-platform consistency and the ability to use themes with custom widgets. I like being able to use the same standards-compliant browser that looks and behaves the same on Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux.

    It's a tradeoff, and it all depends on whether or not your network is homogenous. For example, if all of your computers run windows, firebird using GTK probably sticks out like a sore thumb because it doesn't look consistent with the native widgets. Whereas if you have to switch between linux, mac and windows all the time, it's probably nice to have an app that looks and acts the same on all platforms.

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