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Forgotten Electronics of the 70s and 80s 531

Ant writes "This is where you can find photos of those unusual items which somehow missed our keen attention in the 70s and 80s. Be it a specialty product, electronic novelty or an utter boondoggle from a major electronics outfit of the day, we'll dig 'em up and talk about 'em."
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Forgotten Electronics of the 70s and 80s

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  • PXL-2000 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by b1t r0t ( 216468 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:26PM (#8060820)
    I found a couple of those at thrift stores a few years back. Very unreliable (apparently they used a cheap casette tape transport at high speeds, which typically refused to move), limited image quality (large grayscale pixels that only take up half of a TV screen), no audio, and just plain wierd. Some cinematographer types love 'em because of the wierd effect they give.
  • by starm_ ( 573321 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:26PM (#8060830)
    kind of ironic that the old diskmen were the smallest. I always tought diskmen were shrinking. In this [pocketcalculatorshow.com]1988 model the diskmen doesn't even fit an entirer disk.
  • Remembering.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by LinuxInDallas ( 73952 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:27PM (#8060842)
    I had that casio calculator watch back in the day. Another cool item was my old Pac Man watch. Anyone remember that guy? It had a little metal joystick. I can't believe it didn't make the list!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:28PM (#8060846)
    I have a few of these analog effects that hook up to the speaker outputs of stereo receivers. Think the extensive drug use of the 70's sparked demand.
  • Donkey Kong (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Mick Ohrberg ( 744441 ) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .grebrho.kcim.> on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:28PM (#8060851) Homepage Journal
    How I miss my Game&Watch double-screen Donkey Kong (1982)! *nostalgic sigh*
  • Early walkman (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Trurl's Machine ( 651488 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:32PM (#8060880) Journal
    As a teenager I remember I had an early walkman. I can't recall now the make of it, but it was huge and it had cassette-loading slot, like a car stereo. The funniest thing about it was that it had built-in signal splitter to share the music with your, um, significant other and a built-in microphone - not for recording, as it was unable to record anything, but just for listening to the ambient sound. Obviously, whoever designed this device, considered the whole idea of using a walkman in solitud with no vocal contact with the outside world too freaky. In fact, I think he was partially right - I bought a signal splitter for my iPod so we can sometimes listen together, but I really miss something like a built-in mike for the ambient sound. Now when I see somene looks at me and his jaw is moving, I have to remove the earphones with "whaddidyasay?". Would be nicer (or at least geekier) just to push a button or something.
  • by PaulGrimshaw ( 605950 ) <mail@pPASCALaulg ... m minus language> on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:33PM (#8060905) Homepage
    I have a weird answerphone type thing that sits in the car (one of its supposed uses). You record a message and stick a speaker on the inside of the window.

    The speakers says "Tap Here" and you do... a few seconds later your message starts playing out.

    I have no idea what possible use it could be, but I am pretty sure if it was used now some little git would smash the window just for fun...

    Paul.
  • older than 70s... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ejaw5 ( 570071 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:34PM (#8060911)
    someone in the EE lab at my university brought in a really old audio recorder yesterday. It recorded onto wire, which he also brought in. I don't remember how hold he said it was, but to date it I noticed it had a tiny light bulb as the "power light"...so apperently predates transistors and LEDs.
  • 80's gaming (Score:2, Interesting)

    by moltar77 ( 708055 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:34PM (#8060917)
    Ah, remember this thing [atarihq.com]? Does anyone know what it actually did anyway?
  • I remember... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TexVex ( 669445 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:35PM (#8060921)
    I remember having a pocket calculater in the early 80's that played a very simple and addictive little game. It worked using a numeric LCD display. A string of numbers and the occasional letter "n" would march from the right of the display toward the left. On the left was your number. Your goal was to use one button to increment your number and another to fire when it matched some of the numbers marching towards you. When you fired, all of that number were killed, causing the advancing line to retract. If you scored an "n" then the entire advancing numeric army would be wiped out, giving you a breather. The pace would slowly pick up until you simply couldn't keep up any more. There was elementary strategy involved -- do you shoot off this 8 right now, or save it and roll over to the 3 because you can hit three at once?

    Good times.
  • by Nick Driver ( 238034 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:37PM (#8060943)
    As a guitarist I can't help but think about the original Tom Scholtz Rockman from the 1980's.
  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:41PM (#8060990) Homepage Journal
    My father has an old Super 8mm home projector lying around, with a bunch of home movies, which are lying around catching fungus. For nostalgia's sake, we still sit around once/twice a year and watch the old old movies projected on the 1.5x1.5 meter screen.

    He desperately wants to convert them to digital format, because they're really fragile. Any pointers, one how to go about this in a cost-effective manner?

    We've tried the brute-force method of re-filming the projected video off the wall, but it's *very* lossy. Some of the rare stores that do it charge anything from $5.00 per foot of film and up, which will cost a *lot* of money for the 200 odd reels lying around.

    Not exactly on topic, but any pointers to do it at home (I am willing to shell out upto $1000, if I need to buy a kit or something) will be *most* welcome.

    Thanks!

  • Re:Early walkman (Score:5, Interesting)

    by droopus ( 33472 ) * on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:46PM (#8061042)
    The original Walkman [cool.ne.jp] had an ambient sound button and two little mikes at the front. The button was yellow and would allow you to hear whomever was trying to talk to you by simply pressing said yellow button. Usually they were saying "what the hell is that thing?"

    I always wondered why they got rid of that feature.

  • by Saige ( 53303 ) <evil.angela@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:48PM (#8061058) Journal
    Perhaps, while we're discussing old electronics, someone can identify one for me.

    It looked like a large calculator - a one line red LED segment display, a number pad and mathematical operators and such. The display and keys were the bottom 1/2 or so of the device, the top half just having artwork on it. It could work as a simple calculator, but that wasn't the main purpose of it.

    It had a number of mathematical games in it. A few basic ones, then there were six overlays that went over the top. You selected a game, and the overlay would cover some of the display, leaving holes for information for the games. For example, I remember game #6 being some sort of moon landing like game - you'd select a number for thrust power, and the game would update the display with fuel remaining and distance and such.

    There was also a football game, #5 I think, and others that I can't recall.

    I remember playing with that quite a bit. I have no clue whatever happened to it.
  • by Saint Stephen ( 19450 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:49PM (#8061068) Homepage Journal
    I miss the old Coleco handheld football games, where the "game" was just ten LEDs in a 5 x 2 grid.
    Seinfeld mentioned them in "The Toys" episode -- George loved them. Ran on a 9-volt battery.
    Man they rocked!

    Also: my pre-Atari 2600 Pong machine: On/Off, Tennis/Squash/Pong!

    Let's see, forgotten technology: my first student ID at UNC in 1989 had holes punched into it representing my SS#. By the next year they were handing out ones with magnetic stripes.

    At my grocery store job in high school, when somebody handed us a credit card, we'd just walk over to this book and see if the number was one of the stolen ones (but only if we didn't "trust" what the person looked like -- i.e. a little old lady). This was because *no one* used credit cards at a grocery store -- very few people had ATM cards.

    Manual "Toms" or "Lance" vending machines :: they didn't run on electricity. Purely mechanical devices. Sweet! Usually only found in rural areas.

    The main freaky thing about looking at old pictures is seeing how all the companies' logos were completely different, but they all looked normal then!
  • by blueZ3 ( 744446 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:51PM (#8061094) Homepage
    Anyone else have one of these? It was like a giant calculator, with a non_qwerty keyboard and a three line LCD display... I think it had 1K of memory (upgradable to 2K) It came with BASIC, and I used to take it to math class and write programs to solve the equasions. I loved that thing
  • by cybermace5 ( 446439 ) <g.ryan@macetech.com> on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:52PM (#8061098) Homepage Journal
    My dad actually has one. The red LED digits behind an inscrutable nearly-black red filter. Made by Texas Instruments, I think it was the first digital watch available to consumers.

    Battery hog, too. Kept good time though. It still works, he let me use it for about a year when I was in college, and it was a good conversation starter. Not much good in direct sunlight, but that was never really a problem while I was an engineering student....
  • by ikewillis ( 586793 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:52PM (#8061099) Homepage
    I was very surprised to find no mention of RCA's VideoDisc Format [cedmagic.com], which allowed video to be stored on vinyl records and was the first consumer video format.
  • by dswensen ( 252552 ) * on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:53PM (#8061106) Homepage
    Oh man, memories. I thought those things were so fantastic.

    A friend of mine had one that had a "game" on it; basically numbers would march across the screen and you'd have to match them on the calculator and type them in to "shoot" them down before they reached the left side of the display.

    I begged my parents for one when I was a kid, and used to think about all the unbelievably fun things I would do with the calculator watch (?).

    I finally got one, when they were cheap enough to be out of vogue. By that time it wasn't nearly as cool, and it broke in a few months anyway. I think by that time I had a digital watch that turned into a miniature Transformer.
  • by MajorDick ( 735308 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:53PM (#8061107)
    Well I am a little sad, I moved in with my grandparents to help on the farm and take care of my 98 year old great grandmother when I was 15, my grandfather asked If I wanted to learn watchmaking, he said it would take about 4 years of apprenticship. I said no, as did my father taking my fathers route into computers (he started with IBM in 65)

    The family still owns a rather upscale jewlers store, my cousin a few years older than myself learned watchmaking from my great uncle (my grandfathers brother)

    He is one of a VERY few watchmakers in the U.S. he specalizes in repairs on historical timepices. he now makes upward of $200k a year.

    I thought the same thing most everyone else did, in this day and age how could a watchmaker compete in a world of mass manufacturing, the sad part is "Old World" craftmanship is dying, and its progressive, the fewer people even capable of this sort of work are able to teach fewer students.
  • by adzoox ( 615327 ) * on Thursday January 22, 2004 @07:55PM (#8061131) Journal
    I'd like to know if there is a good source (better laid out than the site from the parent article) for electronic toys of the 80's.

    One interesting thing was the integration - I have a cassette tape player from 1987 that has an electronic basketball game built into it.

    Other interesting toys from the 80's that I'd be interested in seeing would be the XL video camera that used cassette tapes to record video onto.

    Teddy Ruxpin (another casste based toy) is from the 80's as well.

    If you notice on the parent site - a lot of things deal with cassette tape and radio - I would say 80's was defined by the cassette tape.

  • by lazypenguingirl ( 743158 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @08:00PM (#8061176) Journal
    I require music to maintain any semblance of productivity. What is interesting is that people think "Wow, she has headphones on, so I can say whatever and she doesn't know." So, incidentally, people will hold relatively confidential/secret conversations within what would be earshot of me. When I installing and tweaking the ALSA sound drivers on me laptop (Slackware 9.1), I came across this idea and implemented it accordingly. So now I have my system volume set to an appropriate level.... AND have my laptop built-in microphone on too. So, I can listen to music at a good volume, and not be deaf to what people are saying around me (whether TO me, or in spite of me). And boy do I hear the most interesting things...
  • by vicparedes ( 701354 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @08:00PM (#8061177)
    There was the Nintendo Game & Watch, a portable player that played only one game. I had a modest collection: Donkey Kong, Mario, and a bunch of Kung-Fu/Martial Arts games. Come to think of it, I had some Casios also. This was back in Asia, however, so I don't know if these toys were ever popular here in North America.
  • Yes I'm old (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 22, 2004 @08:13PM (#8061313)
    as my wife tells me, but since I was teenager in the 1970's I guess I'll remince and try not bore all you young whippersnappers.

    Calculators. My dad waited and brought home a nice one I thought. It has a large LCD display tilted up with a magnifiying back window to brighten it. It ran on 2 9V batteries and had large tactile buttons spread apart so it was easier to use. Very handy, much more than many built since then, and my dad still uses it. I later got a TI-58, programmable but NO continuos memory, which severly limited the usability.

    Of course, I still use my 1980 Sony sterero receiver. DVD player works throug it just fine.

    The CB craze in the middle of the 70's was kind of precursor to usenet, a lot of noise in comparison to useful information. I did have a nice 23 channel CB, and my friends would talk to each other everynight around 9:30. Sometimes we would talk and comment to each other while we watched Saturday Night Live. That was useful.

    Anyway, I'm 10-7 on this post, and I'll catch ya later.
  • Re:N-Gage (Score:2, Interesting)

    by diodegod ( 70255 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @08:17PM (#8061351) Homepage
    That's a good point, and it raises a few concerns for me, as I wasn't around when those devices were made. How do people cope when their stuff gets superceded?

    In 10 years, there will be people laughing at me because I'll probably be clutching onto my Nokia 5510 mp3 player (GSM will be obsolete by then, so no phone calls). I get crap from N-Gage owners (little brother) already. I just can't let go of my stuff as technology marches on. I still use 3dfx voodoo 1&2 cards, and my 8088 is corroding so it doesn't always work.

    Also, regarding the gadgets on that site, why does every second appliance have an embedded calculator? WHY? Was it all the rage back then to have a calculator wherever you went?

    ~Duane
  • by Molt ( 116343 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @08:49PM (#8061630)

    Wow, I remember the Transformer watches. A friend of mine had one, I seem to remember being very sorry for accidentally breaking it whilst trying to transform it.

    Thinking back though, considering how cunning some of the Transformers were the watch one was hardly impressive. If I recall the head flipped out of the top of the watch, the two arms just pulled from the sides (They did include some of the cover though so weren't spindly little efforts, this was a real Man's Transformer watch), and the bottom of the watch just kind of swung down on spindly little efforts to become the legs (Okay, the bottom half was less manly.. more Kate Moss in snowboots).

    Ah, fond memories of breaking other people's toys! Not like now, of course, where I'm paid to break other people's toys.. well, that's the upshot anyway.

  • by c64cryptoboy ( 310001 ) * on Thursday January 22, 2004 @09:18PM (#8061840) Homepage Journal
    Around 1979/1981, my father had in his home office a phone that used punch cards to auto-dial. You'd find the card you wanted, push the card in, and it would incrementally eject itself as it dialed the number found on each row of the punch card, making loud mechanical noises in the process. I was allowed to play with the one that dialed the time of day service. Can't seem to find a picture of one online.
  • Re:You idiot (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MajorDick ( 735308 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @09:29PM (#8061916)
    Both my great uncle and my Grandfather passed away some 10 years ago. To be honest my cousin isnt good enough to be a Master undertaking an apprentice.

    BESIDES I kinda have a phobia of things that tick, no joke, while I lived at my grandparent my room was the "watch room" all 4 walls were covered in although beautiflly crafted shelves FULL of clocks in need of repair, and litterally THOUSANDS of watches in drawers and boxes needing fixed.

    NOW imagine waling into the room, the very act of walking created enough vibration to set many in to motion ticking away, as a collector I am sure you are familiar with how sensitive to atmospheric conditions especially the clocks are, clocks striking at all hours of the night because the started working again , watches starting and stopping, PUT all this in a VERY quiet country setting, It took me almost a year to release the mainsprings on anything I could find, but 3 years later watches would still start and stop ticking ALL the time....ZUUUUGGG enough to drive a person half mad
  • TI not the first (Score:3, Interesting)

    by rs79 ( 71822 ) <hostmaster@open-rsc.org> on Thursday January 22, 2004 @09:30PM (#8061927) Homepage
    TI was the first CHEAP digital watch. Before that was Pulsar [xs4all.nl] which was anything but cheap, and oddly stylish [ebay.com] today in a retro sort of way. And who could resist using a little magnetic bar to alter the time?

    Cheap digital watches drove the market for cheap (and much less accurate) clock crystals. It was all downhill from there.

    Pulsar was a brand name used by Hamilton, one of the few and great American watch companies. They sold Pulsar as a brand name to some Asian consortium and the $17 Pulsar you find in Wal Mart today has as much to do with Hamilton as the $17 Gruens had to do with the original Gruen company. [pixelp.com]

    Hamilton, in turn was sold to SMH, now "The Swatch Group" (which was formed in 1933 when Omega, Tissot and Lemania merged).
  • by geoswan ( 316494 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @10:23PM (#8062334) Journal
    I read that all countdown timers, in all the Bond films that featured them, were always stopped showing 0:07 seconds remaining.
  • I still use this... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Chordonblue ( 585047 ) on Thursday January 22, 2004 @11:27PM (#8062696) Journal
    http://pocketcalculatorshow.com/boombox/graphics/s harp-gf777z.jpg

    The mighty Sharp GF-777. Shortwave radio, AM/FM, two cassette decks, an 'echo chamber' with mic jack and mixing. In short - the works! To this day, it still provides sound from my computer and it's connected to two nice Sony floor speakers.

    Only the GF-888 was bigger - and I only ever saw two of these. One was on a beach entertaining pretty much the ENTIRE beach. It had TWO handles! I shudder to think how many 'D' cells it took to power it up as my 777 used 12 of 'em!

  • by Simonetta ( 207550 ) on Friday January 23, 2004 @01:09AM (#8063211)
    I remember when calculators came out; you could get expelled from school if you were caught with one.

    Hello,
    Was this a high school that you are referring to when you say that you could get expelled for having a calculator or even a middle school?
    What was their reason for expelling a student with a portable machine that did arithmetic?

    I'm curious because I wonder about the effect that new advanced technology has on deeply conservative societies and nobody is more conservative than an American public school administrator.

    I wonder what will happen in places like Singapore, (which is deeply politically conservative, moderately conserative in education, and progressive in adoption of new electronic technologies) when the first spoken-Chinese to traditional character writers appear at low cost? Will students there attempt to refuse to spend ten years memorizing Chinese characters? Will the government ban them except for foreigners as being 'disruptive to society'? Or will they accept them a novelity and as just another electonic product to make and sell?

    An even worse dilemma for Singapore will be the camera to speech convertors. This will be (in about 10 years as a guess) a hand-held device that 'speaks' the Chinese characters that the user has in the camera viewfinder.
    With these machines will students refuse to spend ten years memorizing characters now that there would be a cheap machine that 'reads' the characters and speaks them?

    Time will tell...

    thank you,
  • by Ironica ( 124657 ) <pixel@bo o n d o c k.org> on Friday January 23, 2004 @01:52AM (#8063399) Journal
    Was this a high school that you are referring to when you say that you could get expelled for having a calculator or even a middle school?

    I'm not the original poster, but I remember the days when you could get in trouble (maybe not expelled, but whatever) for having a calculator... or at least for using it in a math class.

    It didn't much help me buckle down and do my long division homework when my mom said "it's ridiculous that they spend so much time making you do this... after all, everyone has calculators now!"

    Of course, now I sometimes just do the math in my head, because the calculator on my phone is somewhat tedious to use. But it depends on what mood I'm in.
  • by inode_buddha ( 576844 ) on Friday January 23, 2004 @01:55AM (#8063423) Journal
    "Was this a high school that you are referring to when you say that you could get expelled for having a calculator or even a middle school? What was their reason for expelling a student with a portable machine that did arithmetic?"

    I was in the 7th grade when they began this policy. The reason given was that calculators were suddenly cheap and widely available; they wanted to prevent any possibility of cheating. Everything had to be shown on paper, working through all the steps in your mind.

    The current policy allows calculators, but the coursework was made more difficult. At the time, it was OK for engineers, scientists, and businesspeople to use them; they had already proven their understanding of math. The conservative policy was an effort to make sure the future generations also understood. Just IMHO, the current school administrators are *much* more liberal than in the past. Overall, it took about 10 years to absorb the change - well after I was gone.

    I can't prove it, but I have a feeling that Singapore will become much like the US soutwest. My sister there tells me that her kids are learning Spanish simply because half their friends speak it. Advertising, business, and law are done in both languages. I have a feling that Singapore will be similar, simply because people will *want* to socialize, do business, have friends, etc. They will probably use the speech converters for a few decades until everyone is bilingual, with restrictions placed on school children such as the ones I had. HTH.

  • by bblackfrog ( 513266 ) on Friday January 23, 2004 @10:31AM (#8065363)
    I've had great success converting super8 and 8mm film at home. I bought a Video Work Printer [moviestuff.tv] from a guy named Roger Evans.

    Roger rebuilds old projectors, removes the lens, replaces the bulb w/ a low-watt bulb so the film can't burn, and mounts the projector on a base with a 6-inch lens. By focusing a camera through the lens, one can image directly from the film itself. You need at least a 10x zoom.

    He's not into software, so he's modified the projectors to run at variable speeds (1-30 fps), and wired up a microswitch to generate a low-voltage pulse each time the film advances. He wires up a standard mouse so that it can plug into to the microswitch, and generate a mouse-down when the switch fires. For software, he recommends running Adobe Premiere in "grab-a-frame" mode, placing the mouse over the "grab" button, and turning on the projector.

    I wanted to do this on a mac, since iMovie and iDVD are fantastic tools. I was also concerned with dropping frames and other synchronization issues using the "grab one frame" method, so run my projector at 6fps and film unsynchronized at 30fps w/ a mini DV camera. I then import from the DV cam using iMove, and post-process the film with a tool I wrote that uses frame-differencing w/ tolerance to detect frame changes. My tool plucks exactly one image per super8 frame. The result is a beautiful, perfectly synchronized, full screen movie in DV format. I can then edit in iMovie, burn to DVD with iDVD. or archive to miniDV tape.

    I have some samples online [mac.com], but they are scaled down and encoded in H.263 for better streaming. To get an idea of image quality, some stills are online also [mac.com], but these were my first experimentations with the Work Printer: my camcorder was not fully zoomed, and the aspect ratio is off.

    If anyone is interested in the tool, it's free (mac only), Send email to telecine at black frog dot com

    If anyone is interested in a short (1-2 seconds) clip in full DV format, email me and I can make arrangements.

    The only downside is $$. The Work Printer is not cheap, and neither is a high quality camera. Depending on the amount of film you have, it may be cheaper to use a service for the miniDV conversion. However, you have to mail the film in (it could get lost), and generally they splice all your reels together. I really like keeping the films as they were, in the original boxes, with the original notes. Plus I must admit I take a lot of satisfaction from doing it myself.

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