Cell-Phone Wars 992
Makarand writes "According to this article in the Houston Chronicle people
fed up with cell phone chatter have declared
war against cell phones.
They are arming themselves with detectors, jammers and other gizmos to defend privacy,
security, sanity and blissful silence. Although jamming cell phones is not
legal in the US, pocket-sized jammers are available online and even on
eBay. Cell-phone jammers typically work by disrupting
the communication between handsets and cellular towers
by flooding an area with interference
or selectively blocking signals by broadcasting on frequencies
used by these phones. The FCC
has received very few complaints about jammed cell phones
and has never taken action against anyone for that violation."
No complaints now, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Not good (Score:-1, Insightful)
The courts would see it my way, as well. As would the service provider - after all, by interrupting their service, you are proving malicious intent to disrupt services, in much teh same manner as you would be if you cut the power lines to my building.
I recommend you not do this.
Telemetry (Score:5, Insightful)
Cellphone Overuse (Score:3, Insightful)
No action taken (Score:5, Insightful)
How could they take action? The people with the jammers keep them in their pockets. And the only reason they're doing it is for the entertainment/proving a point aspect. It's not as if Wal*Mart is mass-installing jammers to stop shoppers talking while shopping, so how would the FCC catch anyone?
Besides, with the way people move around, service would only appear to be patchy, dropping out as you walk past someone with a jammer, then coming back again. Cellphones do this anyway , so how you would you know what to complain about?
This is pretty much a non story because it's hard to tell if you're being jammed or if you're just getting a crappy signal. Sure, you shouldn't be blocking cellphone signals, but I can't see how the FCC is going to catch you doing it.
Re:Not good (Score:5, Insightful)
Safety? (Score:2, Insightful)
All is needed... (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't shout loudly if it bothers people and don't jam other people's cell phones.
Cones of silence (Score:5, Insightful)
Tin foil may be an answer after all...
'War on' cell phones (Score:4, Insightful)
I see we've solved those issues to now have the time to wage war on those annoying annoying people on cellphones.
I think those people who are complaining must be the people who don't get enough cell calls and feel left out. Amusing as it would be I'll break the fingers of the first person cellphone jamming I see.
Why is it socially acceptable to talk to people but as soon as the person is separated by a bit of technology is it considered obnoxious and socially unacceptable?
Times they are a changin' (Score:3, Insightful)
It won't be much later that we'll see restaurants offering "cellular or non-cellular" seating and theaters (both cinematic and live) physically preventing the use of phones in their establishments.
I welcome it. Cell phones have their uses but are frankly some of the most intrusive devices to penetrate the market as of late. There are barriers of common courtesy that need to remain in place. The person you're standing in front of simply needs to take precedence over the person calling you to let you know orange juice is on sale. The cashier has the right to expect you to pay attention to your purchase. And damnit, I have the right to a dinner in peace.
Not the same at College (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Not good (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Not good (Score:2, Insightful)
Conduct your business at your office or at home.
Don't do it in my library, movie theatre, bookstore, coffee shop.
I will block these inconsiderate loudmouths.
Noise pollution should be outlawed.
Re:Not good (Score:5, Insightful)
Those are my feelings EXACTLY. The only difference that I've thought of is the tendency for some morons to talk a lot more loudly on a cell call than during a one-on-one conversation. I've found that imitating them puts a stop to that, usually.
Not cool (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure some people are inconsiderate jerks. People talk to people sitting next to them in movies all the time. We don't duct tape everyone's mouthes shut on the way in.
Actually they should have screened the line for Return of the King. If you didn't see the first two movies, you should not have been allowed in. There were people all around me having the first 6 hours of film described to them on the fly.
-B
Re:Not the same at College (Score:2, Insightful)
Cell phone jamming on private property (Score:5, Insightful)
I finally relented and got a cell phone vary recently. I (like almsot every other slashdot reader) work in the tech sector 8 hours a day 5 days a week and have revused until recently to bring some of this technology into my home. I don't have cable TV, I don't have an answering machine and until a few weeks ago I didn't have a cell phone.
I for one, would be in favor of movie theaters jamming cell phones inside the theaters themselves, and any other private institution (museums perhaps) who wish to, being able to legally jam cell frequencies at their discression, within their own premisis. It should be considered no different than banning smoking in facilities on private property. The owners should have discression here, And if cell phone users don't like it they can take their business elsewhere. This will cause the business owners to carefully consider the practice before enguaging in it.
I do believe that signage should be requires when such jamming is in effect, so patrons would be aware they will be incomunicado while they are within the given facility, such that they can make an informed choice.
--CTh
Re:Not good (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh, all the lawyers just got a woody. Another lawsuit in the making.
Poor people whine. Rich people call their lawyers.
What a bunch of assholes. (Score:5, Insightful)
When I lived in San Francisco I would be amazed when people would get pissed at others for talking in normal tones on cellphones while on the bus. As I told this one old guy who was yelling, "Why don't you yell at the couple in front of her who are talking even louder?!". Personally I don't use my cellphone in crowded places and always keep my ringer off. I don't see why so many people who have vitriol for those who conduct themselves with decent manners.
Freedoms end... (Score:3, Insightful)
Talking on a cell phone during a movie, or while driving down the road ( not being attentive, and illegal in many areas ) crosses that line..
Nice try though...
Re:Telemetry (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:'War on' cell phones (Score:5, Insightful)
A better soltution - Cellphone Detectors (Score:5, Insightful)
There shouldn't be a problem with mobiles (Score:5, Insightful)
Someone carrying a jammer is being deliberately and obnoxiously selfish. They're worse than the ignorant fools who talk to loudly.
Re: Not good (Score:0, Insightful)
If people used better judgement (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Not good (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Safety? (Score:4, Insightful)
Cell phones are a fact of life. If you don't like, move to Elbonia.
Re:Not good (Score:1, Insightful)
Individual freedoms (Score:3, Insightful)
Thus we have people jamming cell phones because they think their hate of people talking on cell phones is more important than the need of other people to talk on cell phones.
However, this hate is created by people who think their right to talk on their cell phones in an inappropriate manner (ie bellowing at a restaurant or talking during a movie) is more important than other people's rights to an enjoyable experience.
Re:Not good (Score:1, Insightful)
Legal Way (Score:5, Insightful)
Your a Movie Theater and you dont want cell phones or other wireless devices to work so as to not have people gabbing on them during the movie.
When you build or do any extensive renovation your prbably going to use a lot of drywall if you install a few layers of chicken fence or other suitable fine grid or wire. Make sure the doors are metal (fire code I would think) and that they maintain a good contact to the grid etc etc etc. When the doors are closed yours not going to see an increadable ammount of attenuation to any RF signals with a wavelength longer than the mesh pitch and a good attenuation to most everything else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage [slashdot.org] Gives and overview and a link to tempest the DOD's solution to RF leakeage.
Now you have a movie theater that cell phones dont work in. It would be nice if we could clasify transmision types say via bluetooth since thats a hot new thing on cell phones and have the possibility to ask the phone to switch to silent mode while not affecting paging functions for doctors and other on call critical people that can be assumed to be more responcible than a 15 year old with and "emergency" call.
In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
Jerks like this should go live in Colonial Williamsburg [history.org]. Let the rest of us get on with the 21st Century, where we can talk to our friends and business associates anytime with just the push of a button. Not that it's a Utopia [wikipedia.org] or anything, but...well, yeah, in at least this one aspect it kind of is.
Re: Not good (Score:5, Insightful)
> I recommend you grow the fuck up and realise that world does not revolve around you.
That's just about the ultimate in irony, in the context of a discussion of the annoying habits of cell phone users.
Unibombing? (Score:2, Insightful)
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:True Luddites (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Telemetry (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Safety? (Score:5, Insightful)
God help her if she works in a hospital! Or in this enlightened age, if she is a flagger on a construction crew. Her cellphone is off in blasting areas!
What happens to all those doctors who must turn off their phones when they are on the ward, or spending hours in the operating room?
I do some consulting at a university medical center, everyone has phones and everyone turns them off in certain areas. I carry a phone and a pager. I turn them both off - when I turn them on, I get alerted to missed calls and missed pages. It doesn't curtail my productivity, how can it hamper soccer-mom's?
There is no excuse for antisocial behavior, unless you are an immigrant from Elbonia
Re:No complaints now, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No action taken (Score:3, Insightful)
Unless you are using bluetooth headset, then the conversation is both private and public
Re:Jammers and Dampers (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No complaints now, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
look, owning a cell phone is not an entitlement to communication through it, anywhere, anytime. if your cell phone doesn't work, and you feel it's blocked because of one of these tools, AND you are having an emergency, do what prior tech solved in sucessive order : find a stranger to help, find a payphone, run and get help. it's that simple.
i've been in a few emergencies and having a cell phone may have gotten people there more quickly (moutaineering), but for the most part they are abused by scared newbies. i've waited immobilized for a few hours for the helicopters to arrive myself. anecdotes aside, i don't recall any evidence that more cell phone emergency calls are anything more than a conveinence. they don't really seem to make the difference between life and death. if they do, then relying on one is a foolish mistake akin to causing the accident in part.
i've not seen any court cases where people sued a cell phone provider because they did not work adequately in a time of emergency. on the contrary, during large emergencies, cell phone networks seem to be the first to overload.
Cellphone blocking should be automated (Score:2, Insightful)
Instead of sending out signals that distrupt cell phones, you should be able to buy a device that sends out a message that says "block incoming calls", "block outgoing calls", or "both". The cell phones should be able to override this information, but by default it should be respected. The message should include a GPS location signal, a serial/registration number of the device, and a text description of the location of the device. Local laws should dictate when and were it would be legal to use these devices. (I suspect it would be "private property only", with a few exceptions.)
Face it, most people really want to respect the no-cell phone requests for places that it isn't appropriate, but when you have a hundred people in a room, someone is sure to forget to turn off their phone. They are also going to forget to turn it back on after they leave.
A legalized "no cell phone zone" device would not stop assholes from overriding the request, but it would make life much easier for everyone else.
Re:businesses aren't citizens (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't get it (Score:5, Insightful)
But, frankly, I think this dislike of cell phones is irrational and itself annoying. People talk to other people everywhere, often in loud or annoying voices. It makes no difference to me whether someone talks into a cell phone or to someone across from them; at least, when they talk into a cell phone, I don't need to hear the responses.
I'm beginning to suspect that what really annoys people about public cell phone usage is that they are missing out on half of conversation that they would really like to listen in on in its entirety.
Re:Telemetry (Score:5, Insightful)
If the cardiologist is far enough away to need telemetry via cellular to tell him about the heart attack, there's nothing he can do about it. Anyone close enough to help is going to see him clutch his left arm and keel over.
or somebody's Saab saying that it's airbag has gone off in an accident
Nobody installs a jammer in the middle of nowhere. The only place OnStar (or the like) really needs cellular to report an airbag deployment is the middle of nowhere. Any place you'd find a jammer, you'd find people.
perhaps it is just a cell call, and it's just the hospital trying to get their neurosurgeon in.
Hospitals nostly use pagers rather than cell phones to summon on-call physicians. Cell isn't reliable enough.
YOU TALK TOO LOUD (Score:5, Insightful)
So, yes you have a right to talk where talking is appropriate. No, you don't have a right to SHOUT FOR AN HOUR because you're too stupid to realize that people naturally talk louder on the phone.
Re:Safety? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Telemetry (Score:5, Insightful)
This would be in America. right? (Score:5, Insightful)
This would be in America, right? In much of the rest of the world there is no concept of "a normal no-service area". Somewhere you can't get service is abnormal.
Re:Telemetry (Score:3, Insightful)
In this case (medical devices that call home when there is a potential problem) not as well, perhaps not at all. Before cell phones there was no infrastructer that you could count on. Some old people had medical alarm buttons that could press, but that only worked when they knew there was a problem (ie it wasn't a sudden silent heart attack, but just sign that one could be coming) and they were at home in range of the base station.
Just because technology didn't exist before doesn't mean that you can do without it for the same quality of life.
Re:Not good (Score:2, Insightful)
It's not the conversations themselves that are the problem. It's the fact that people on cell phones usually talk unreasonably loudly that makes them a problem. Not to mention their stupid polyphonic ringers blasting out at 60 decibels every 10 minutes.
Re: Not good (Score:5, Insightful)
That's my own criteria for using a cell phone. That is, if I'm in a situation where I feel it's appropriate to talk to a "real" person, it's fine to talk on a cellphone, as long as it can be done at a "normal" volume level (normal for the context.)
So, movie theaters are definitely out. Museums? Why not, as long as you're not disturbing a tour, and other people are talking freely to companions.
Yes, there are inappropriate situations in which to use a cell phone, but what makes me mad is all the self-righteous people who glare at you if they see you with a cellphone to your ear ANYWHERE, even in totally "appropriate" situations. (Yes, there are quite a few such people.)
America can be funny. (Score:5, Insightful)
In the rest of the world, where cell phones adoption is way higher, this issue is so 1995. Cope and move on, it's progress sucker.
Re: Not good (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Not good (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Agreed, inconsiderate users are the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
move into the matrix (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I don't get it (Score:3, Insightful)
It's that they have them in places where they wouldn't have a loud conversation with another person at all...very inappropriate places. And the ringtones, goddam the fucking annoying ringtones that are constantly going off in any venue where silence and attention are expected. (a lecture for instance) With another person, you can talk quietly and not disturb what's going on around you. You HAVE to talk at at LEAST a moderate level on cell phones, often louder than that.
Yes, (Score:3, Insightful)
Relying on payphones for assistance is folly! The only way to keep in contact with emergency services should be by horseback. The odd palantir could be used too, but ONLY FOR BACKUP.
On the serious side, regular radio networks are absolutely essential for the emergency services to operate. Cell phones are good for citizen contact during regular accidents and day-to-day contact between officers, but may break down during disasters like 9/11.
Re:Safety? (Score:3, Insightful)
So you think the woman should have to step outside every 2 minutes to check her voicemail? Most parents I know would balk at your statement - the health and safety of their child is of the utmost importance, and they shouldn't have to completely abandon their social life to ensure it.
"What happens to all those doctors who must turn off their phones when they are on the ward, or spending hours in the operating room?"
I think you missed the point of the doctor situation. Emergency room doctors need to be able to be contacted in case of an emergency (or cardiologists, etc). If they're in the hospital, then their location is known and there is no issue. The point is that some professions are 24-hour on-call.
"...I get alerted to missed calls and missed pages. It doesn't curtail my productivity, how can it hamper soccer-mom's?"
I'm going to take a wild guess here: you don't have children. For years, women have not worked so that they would be home for their children, and would be accessible. Cell phones are changing things, and allow part-time jobs and exponentially increased social lives.
Re:Safety? (Score:5, Insightful)
Need is a pretty strong word. We need food, water and shelter. We don't need cell phones.
Cell phones have only existed for the last 15-20 years... people got along just fine before that.
As for the "need to receive calls for your job" argument, if you need to receive calls you should be at the office, not at the local cafe.
Re:Hoffman Estates schools (Score:3, Insightful)
It brings up a more interesting question though.. why do they need it??
What do the teachers do all day? Surely they would notice students yakking away on their cell phones during class.. if it's at lunch, who cares?
Automatically block calls in the car while moving. (Score:4, Insightful)
Most people I know do pull over to use the cell phone when driving. But, there are those idiots out there who think that multi-tasking while driving is a good thing. They should have to commute through the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky bridges on a daily basis, see all the accidents that happen. Maybe witnessing a few deaths will help instill the true meaning of distracted driver.
Beyond the drivers who use them at the wrong time, the rest are just irritating jerks. I always take my conversation away from those who might be interrupted by it. That is outside, down the hall, private room. It is called being polite. That aside though, I would be pissed if someone were jamming my cell phone. I think the appropriate action is to ask politely (first time) for a rude cell phone owner to take it elsewhere. If that does not work, we have done everything from turning our own volume up to the point where said arse had to leave to hear to pointedly telling the individual we were not going to put up with their rude interruptions anymore (to which we have actually received applause from those around us). Honestly, such drastic measures are rarely needed, as almost everyone once asked has been polite.
InnerWeb
It's the people stupid (Score:3, Insightful)
Everyone seems to think that the world is there for them and that is it. So what if they are at a theater blabbing on the phone, or if it's 2am and they decide they must drive through neighboorhoods with enough bass to break up a kidney stone.
There are simple solutions - get management that has balls. Don't want people blabbing in your resturaunt, eject them. Have ushers in the theaters eject people who are being obnoxious. When I say a broadway play, that happened...someone brought a baby who was crying and they were told they would have to go out to the lobby until the baby quieted down.
Of course then they'll be tons of lawsuits over how they were discriminated against, etc...
Sigh...sometimes I wish I lived for a shorter time before electronics. mmmm...that's good gruel!
Re:Not good (Score:5, Insightful)
Uh, the whole point of the article is that with these jamming devices being sold to private, unlicensed individuals, he can't be sure of that.
Re: Not good (Score:2, Insightful)
One Word...NEXTEL (Score:3, Insightful)
pay phone? (Score:1, Insightful)
Heart attack on a bus? Run to the nearest pay phone. Or into the nearest building. All buildings have phones nowadays, and businesses are quite willing to let non-customers use the phone in case of heart attack (just imagine the negative publicity otherwise).
Heart attack out in the middle of the mountains? Thats where people won't bother to have their jammers on anyway. People are fed up with the constant chatter in theaters, on busses, in grocery stores, etc. THATS where the jammers will be kept active.
But what do I know?
Irony (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No complaints now, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Um, seeing as I'm paying for service that uses public airwaves that everyone has the right to, I would say that I *do* have the right to not having my signal blocked. Completely ignoring the 911 issue, blocking someone's service is theft, plain and simple.
Re: Not good (Score:1, Insightful)
I feel like driving 100mph on the highway because I just want to get somewhere faster or I'm just enjoying the hell out of it, does that mean everyone else should mind their fucking business and let me do it ?
Re:Safety? (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure people got along fine without cell phones but life is a lot better in many ways having them.
As for your ridiculous job retort -- there are those of us that are on call for our jobs morning 'til late evneing 6 days of the week. I'm not about to move into my office, jerk.
Focus on using your limited intellect to get yourself food and water. Let the rest of us have our phones.
Re:I don't get it (Score:4, Insightful)
Something else I find very rude is the way a phone call gets priority over anything else competing for the recipient's attention. Such as a conversation with me, for instance.
Say you're talking to a friend. Wouldn't you think it was incredibly rude if someone else, who you don't even know, came along, butted in and started his own new conversation, expecting you to wait? Wouldn't you think your friend pretty rude for cutting you out, too? But that's how it always is with phone calls. I think that if you're talking to someone and the phone rings, you shouldn't answer it (unless you're expecting a call). Everyone now has caller id and/or voicemail so there's no worry about missing the message.
Of course this is a gripe about the way we use phones in general, not just cellphones, but the problem is made much worse. Now you can't even go for a walk/drive with someone without an invisible intruder turning up - you can even have a guest at your own home cut you out!
Somehow though I have difficulty getting other people to sympathise with me. Last month,when I was with a group of 5 friends on a train, I tried to explain my point of view after one person made the rest of us shut up for 10 minutes so he could hear what is phone-friend was saying. Somehow no-one else thought it was rude (and I was only suggesting that maybe he should go and stand further from us while on the phone so we could get on with what we were talking about before).
Until most folk improve their manners a lot, I can see why people might want a jammer, though I wouldn't buy one myself.
Re:I don't get it (Score:3, Insightful)
Common Sense Manners, Anyone? (Score:2, Insightful)
When it comes to the discussion of cell phones and jamming here on slashdot, it seems like the same tired old arguments are being used.
I, for one, have grown tired of seeing the same lame situation where supposed "Law" and "Rights" are touted as absolutes to give anyone entitlement to, in virtually any situation and for any reason, the justification to make or receive a cel-phone call.
Before I put in my two cents worth here is a brief recap of this asinine argument, since it now has many levels to follow:
DrEldarion said:
"They're in a public place, if they want to talk on a cell phone, it's their right. Hell, if they want to sit there whistling 'It's a small world, after all' while banging on pans, they can do that too."
Blackparrot responded:
"Yeah, try that next time you're in a restaurant, theatre, or museum, and see what happens."
Then DrEldarion retorted:
"If the person is in a private place, and the people who run the place have objections to it, then they and ONLY they have the right to do something about it. If the person is in a public place, then NOBODY has a right to do anything."
My two cents:
Really? "NOBODY has the right to do anything" ? Have you ever heard of Laws with regard to "Disturbing the peace"? I hear people actually get arrested for such eggregious behavior every once in a while.
These "Laws" and "Rights" that you make referenece to were created by people to govern and manage behavior. They are, like many situations in life, best understood in the context of their creation and application. This is illustrated by Carl Sagan's quote, "What Rights does a Drowning Man in the middle of an Ocean have"?
When people do things that are bad and/or against social/cultural norms, as they do from time to time, certain laws get enforced or enacted to correct them. You may have noticed that when behavior gets out of hand (e.g. profanity in church, holding up the line at a ATM machine, harassing a woman at a bar, or whistling "It's a small world after all" and baging on pans virtually ANYWHERE), people won't always wait for the Law, whether it gives/denies explicit permission, to respond appropriately.
Wonder why the FCC has, to date, never enforced this law? Perhaps it is because they have never found reason enough to take a stand and make an example of someone who clearly abused their "Right" to enfore the social and cultural expectations for peace and quiet in the given situation.
Please don't assume think we all, like you, believe that the "Law" and "Rights" are absolute in any virtually any situation and for (virtually) any reason. If you do, you may find yourself in front of a judge/jury/policeman/bouncer/angry citizen(s) that think otherwise....
There's only so much rudeness and nonsense people will put up with, whether you agree with them or not.
end of rant.
.
The RING signal. (Score:2, Insightful)
What really buggs me are all those ring signals. Those are very abnormal sounds which are hard for the brain to filter out. If there was some kind of spec. which stated that each phone should broadcast a kind of "IsItOkToTriggerARIIIIIING()" query and wait half a second or so for a veto response before sounding off that annoying sound from the device, it'd go a long way at mitigating what I believe bug most people.
Having worked in so called "Open Landscape" offices for about 5 years now, I've pretty much learned to "tune out" all conversation noise when I need to think. However, artificial noise such as the classic RIIIING or all the personalized ring tunes are still piercing my conciousness and that's really what's bugging me.
If I could just veto those sounds, which might get the cellphone to use vibrate or similar, I'd pretty much be statisfied.
However, just "randomly" jamming anyones call is just rude imo. I like the freedom cellphones provide me, allowing me for example to pick up the kids on time while still being able to attend that "important" conference call the boss has been nagging about all week. (and is always scheduled to impossible hours, due to the timezone difference of our american colleagues, who pretty much arriving to their offices when we are about to leave ours').
Re: Not good (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No complaints now, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No complaints now, but... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I don't get it (Score:3, Insightful)
That's actually a big part of the problem. If you can only hear one end of the conversation, it makes it much more difficult for your brain to identify it as background and ignore it. How often do you think somebody next to you is saying something to you, when it turns out they're actually speaking on their cell phone?
Re:No action taken (Score:3, Insightful)
Especially as the digital GSM (GPRS, CDMA, etc.) phones being digital either work or don't. If the signal is too low, yelling does not help.
Re:Jammers and Dampers (Score:5, Insightful)
True damping using absorbtion of the signal is well-nigh impossible, even stealth aircraft don't work very well and the process is expensive. It also needs quite a thickness of material at cellphone frequencies. AFAIK, on certain aircraft (where use of a cellphone, even switching it on, is a major safety hazard, and is illegal) there have been experiments with simulated base stations which transmit inside the aircraft (very minimal power required) and will command the phone to turn its transmit power down to minimum. That will of course prevent it frokm accessing any base station outside. A jammer based on that principle could be justified in certain circumstances, but would no doubt need the agreement of the cellular companies and the regulatory authorities. It would also be difficult to accurately control the boundary of its effective area.
The vast majority of areas where cellphones are banned rely on people being fooled by the signs, and switching them off, because they imagine that they will not work. Still, it seems to work (usually). Fortunately, most of us who know about the probable limitations behave ourselves and switch off anyway.
Re:DIY plans? (Score:2, Insightful)
Then you must not be in an area with BMWs and "look at me I just watched the Fast and the Furious" Hondas.
Re:No action taken (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:'War on' cell phones (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Jammers and Dampers (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would you assume that a guy with a 40 foot antenna in his yard is blocking your cell phone signals somehow? A 40 foot antenna like that would be used for HF communications and wouldn't have anything to do with the wavelengths your cell phone uses. Amateur radio operators are much more respectful of the limited radio spectrum than your average suburbanite cell-phone using panty-waste.
Turn the jammer on when you need it (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Safety? (Score:3, Insightful)
As for your job, I reccommend you look at finding a job that doesn't place such unreasonable demands on the amount of time you have to work.
In the US (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know if everyone has just decided they are more important than everyone else or if they just don't care, but it seems to get a little worse every year. From people talking on a cell phone in a theather to road rage.
Re:Jammers and Dampers (Score:4, Insightful)
If people can't learn basic manners then I am all for blocking or jamming or taking their fucking phone and smashing it with a big rock. Whatever works.
I'm not asking for "miss manners" type behavior, just a tiny bit of common sense and respect would do just fine. Then people wouldn't have to resort to illegal jamming...
But that is the world we live in..
Re:Jammers and Dampers (Score:5, Insightful)
However, in free countries, other people are allowed (within certain broad arenas) to do things you don't like.
I don't like cell phones because I think the service is priced by collusion, not competition. However, that does not lead me to say that other people should not be allowed to use them.
Re:Common Sense Manners, Anyone? (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe because nobody has reported problems to the FCC yet because (as all the other posts pointed out) it just looks like a no signal area?
Wait until some geek with a spectrum analyzer and nothing better to do starts trying to figure out why his cell phone no longer works at his favorite cafe/movie theater. All the FCC needs is to be told where to look. If you think they won't come down on you like a ton of bricks for this you are sadly mistaken.
Cell phone eqittie/911 arguments aside -- think about the money in politics and the amount of cash that the cell carriers pay for their licenses. If you think they aren't going to defend those licenses then you are naive. I wouldn't touch one of these jammers with a ten foot poll and I consider myself a polite cell phone user that get's annoyed at all the teenieboppers talking about how cute that guy is while I'm trying to eat. I keep my cell phone on vibrate at all times unless I'm at home and it's not hooked to my waist (I only have the cell -- no landline). I talk into it at a normal tone of voice. I don't use it while driving except in emergencies.
And what about the liability exposure? What if somebody in your location has a heart attack and sues you after the fact because their cell phone wouldn't work? What if a doctor is on-call and sitting in your cafe getting a cup of coffee and his pager is disabled by your jammer? Your insurance isn't cover you for an illegal device (and they are all illegal in the US) -- you'll be put out of business and forced into bankruptcy if sued. Not to mention the criminal ramifications of violating the FCC reqs and state laws.
Like it or not these jammers will also have a negative effect beyond their intended area -- if only because of all the headsets in the jammed area that are now broadcasting at maximum power trying to get out. Those transmissions will radiate for several miles and could potently interfere with cell phone (or other usage of the freqs in question) usage outside of the affected area.
If you don't like what somebody is doing on their cell phone then complain to them about it. If they tell you to go pound salt then talk to the management of the business you are at (theater or restaurant). If management refuses to do anything then take your business elsewhere. You don't have the right to interfere with the public airwaves.
Re:Telemetry (Score:5, Insightful)
Curious... I thought humans only came up with the telephone a mere century ago. How ever did we survive for all those millenia before then? No doubt a mystery for the archaeologists.
people that just carry around jammers so they don't have to listen to others talking on the phone while they ride the train need to be shot. The world does not revolve around you!
Funny, most of us feel the same way about all the asshats who can't even get off the damned phone to, for example, pay a cashier, place an order at a restaurant, or just plain drive.
Personally, I would carry a cell jammer, have one at my house, and in both vehicles, regardless of legality, if they didn't cost a few hundred bucks. You can call me "inconsiderate" or "self-centered" all you want, but I have NEVER interrupted a play, or movie, or other public event, merely because I consider myself too important to miss a call. Phones have an "off" switch for a reason. If you don't consider that its default state, I guarantee that you annoy those around you.
Re:Cheaper solution (Score:2, Insightful)
Uh huh, that's what I thought..."
Yea including the audio on the film that I paid to watch. As far as kids go I have two (2 and 7) I can honestly say that there are many events that people should get a sitter and get over it. That is bad social etiquette every bit as bad as a cellphone if not worse. I do not know how many times I have gone to a nice dinner and a movie with my wife to get bombarded by a bunch of screaming kids. If I wanted that I would go home and take care of my own kids. There should be some place that you can get away from it all.
Consider this before jamming... (Score:5, Insightful)
However, these are the ones that get noticed. The ones who speak quietly while dining alone in a restaurant or on the subway; the ones who speak on a phone or to other passengers safely while driving; the ones who set the phone to vibe and then surreptitiosly look at the caller ID during a film, class, meeting, etc... these people are not noticed and probably outnumber the annoying ones by far.
If you jam cellular frequencies, not only are you screwing with all the safety devices already mentioned, but you're screwing with people who are behaving politely and reasonably.
Would you start spraying febreeze at everyone entering a store because occaisonal patrons come in without having bathed recently? It might help with them, while pissing off people who do behave properly. Jamming makes You the nuisance who should be removed.
Re:Telemetry (Score:5, Insightful)
Yawn.
As I pointed out, we survived for hundreds of thousands of years before even the telephone, nevermind cell phones, came into existance.
If the problem occurs in a random location, you won't find me there to bother you (I tend to avoid commotions in random places, rather than gawk like most people).
If the problem occurs in a car, pull over, and I'll have driven past so quickly that you won't even notice the disruption in your signal.
If the problem occurs in a theatre, leave. Problem solved. Can't leave? Then you probably can't dial a phone, either.
You still have every "right" (though I don't think we do actually have any sort of "rights" with regard to using a cell phone) to make an emergency call. You do not have the right to sit near me and disrupt my meal/movie for which I paid. You want to chat? Go outside. Simple as that.
I will repeat, for the third time in this thread, that cell phone jammers would not exist if the majority of people didn't consider cell phone users as intolerably rude. Whatever you may say about the public backlash to that rudeness, "they started it". Unfortunately for the "good" cell users (No doubt all of them, since despite us all knowing the annoyance of a phone ringing during a movie, "everyone" always turns them off like good little doobies), a technological solution exists, which more and more people have learned of.
Everyone claims to behave, and points out the "emergency" uses of a cell phone. I call shenanigans. Out of the uncountable times I have wanted to rip a phone out of someone's hand and slam it against a wall, not once have I actually heard a call for help. Sure, they exist - I have no doubt of that. But to defend the majority of use by that? Yeah, whatever... And most people use Kazaa for trading legal files, too.
If it makes you feel better, go ahead and call me an asshole. Flip me the bird, rant and rave, have a ball. Just hang up and drive (or eat, or watch the movie).
Re:Not good (Score:2, Insightful)
For example, I work in retail. This happens very frequently: somebody comes in and asks for assistance. While you are helping them, their cell phone rings. They answer it, and talk, sometimes for 10 minutes or more. As a salesperson, I am expected to just hang on waiting for them to finish, which I do. Although I would not express this (as I am trying to make a sale), it is very irritating to waste somebody's valuable time like this.
Way to miss the point... (Score:1, Insightful)
THEY'RE A LOT MORE RELIABLE.
Thank heavens you've got me around to point out the obvious stuff in life.
Re:Way to miss the point... (Score:3, Insightful)
-B
Re:However, your rights end. . . (Score:3, Insightful)
I get pretty tired of everyone equating their "need" to receive phone calls anywhere anytime with a supposed heart surgeon's need to be called. Especially when it'd probably be illegal (or certainly he'd lose his licence and/or his malpractice insurance) for a doctor to operate if he's come straight from a bar; and doctors who do happen to be on call carry pagers which operate on different frequncies than cells and so are not subject to (focused) jamming of cellphones. So just talk about how it'd inconvenience you, not about "LIVES WILL BE LOST!" Or get a pager yourself for emergencies and turn your cell off when it might piss people off for you to take the 99.9% of non-emergency calls.
Re:Jammers and Dampers (Score:5, Insightful)
In my kitchen, I've got a 1.3 kilowatt transmitter. It operates at ~2.4GHz (which isn't very far removed from modern cellular frequencies). There is a screen on the front of the thing that seems to do a good job of keeping the RF from escaping (my nose hasn't gone necrotic from years of watching microwaves cook food) - and I can -see- through it! I can't possibly imagine that the screen contributed substantially to the cost of my microwave.
Therefore, effective shielding is not only readily achievable, but is also relatively inexpensive and already in common use.
Luckily, your short-sighted prose on the operation of stealth aircraft leaves little doubt that you're a dim-witted moron, and just spreading FUD. (RF fud, but FUD nonetheless.)
I hope you haven't fooled too many people.
Re:'War on' cell phones (Score:3, Insightful)
p