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In Google We Trust 246

firstadopter.com writes "The New York Times (registration needed) writes about how far Google has penetrated our culture (soul sucking "Free" registration required) in the last six years with the pros and cons of its success. It's amazing to think 200 million searches are done on the search engine each day on an index of 6 billion pages."
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In Google We Trust

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  • by turnstyle ( 588788 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:07AM (#8561123) Homepage
    Is whether Google will be able to hold onto their cool after they have their IPO and have to answer to shareholders...
  • by amacleod98 ( 757451 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:08AM (#8561133) Homepage
    It is interesting, whenever I want any information I go straight to google and rarely consider other sources. How many people do this? Do you ever find better results with other search engines?
  • by margal ( 696859 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:10AM (#8561152)
    I do, and I _never_ use other engines. The only situation where I don't use google first is with software. Freshmeat gets me first there.
  • Not impossible... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Faust7 ( 314817 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:11AM (#8561159) Homepage
    After all, Apple has, hasn't it?
  • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:12AM (#8561162)
    The actual headline on the NY Times article is "In Searching We Trust", but Slashdot calling it "In Google We Trust" isn't that far off the mark since no other search engine is even mentioned in the piece.

    Google isn't the only search engine out there, just the dominant one at the moment. Somebody who is using only Google, and is not aware that their are other tools with which to get a second opinion is missing out on a pretty big portion of the web that Google either hasn't discovered or just doesn't think highly of in PageRank.
  • Devotion to google (Score:2, Interesting)

    by betelgeuse-4 ( 745816 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:13AM (#8561172) Homepage Journal

    I'm not religiously devoted to Google, I use it because I reckon it's the best search engine available. If something better comes along, I'd switch straight away.

  • Media Sensationalism (Score:4, Interesting)

    by myownkidney ( 761203 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:14AM (#8561175) Homepage
    It's more like the new kabbalah. With an estimated 200 million searches logged daily, Google, the most popular Internet search engine, "has a near-religious quality in the minds of many users,"

    This is so untrue. Almost any computer savvy individual knows that google results are not very reliable. Google is just an online popularity contest. And it doesn't go very deep into the website structure. If you believe in google as your messiah, then you do really need to get your head checked.

    As for the story about Left Handed Guitars, all I can say is it took google more than one month to include my site in their searches. So unless the guy did the search after one month, he would probably not have found them.

    Google is not at all what it is hyped upto be. It has its uses, but it ain't the oracle my friend.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:16AM (#8561188)


    google is a modification of the word googol [reference.com]

    but pronounced virtually identically, so really its the other way round and it was already in use (since at least 1938) before google discovered its branding potential

  • Firefox (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Haydn Fenton ( 752330 ) <no.spam.for.haydn@gmail.com> on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:17AM (#8561190)
    To be honest, before I used firefox [mozilla.org], or phoenix as it was called back then, I very rarely used google. However, since firefox has a built in 'google function' as I call it (this works by typing google [searchtopic] in the address bar and hitting enter) I must use it around 10 to 20 times a day.
    Looking back on things, I don't know how I ever got anything done without firefox or google...
  • by Gilesx ( 525831 ) * on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:17AM (#8561193)
    In my experience Google seems great for searching for popular items, but due to their ranking system if I want to perform an obscure search, my chances of finding anything are slim to none.

    Apparently, the "deep web" is the best place to make obscure searches, and I've used turbo10.com to perform searches in this way. It's really interesting to compare the results of two searches between google and turbo10 - google certainly appears to be the quick and easy search engine that grandma can use, but for serious work, I am increasingly finding myself turning to the deep web.
  • Indeed, searching (whether on the Web or on IEEE journals and similar academic things) is useful when you just want to have a basic idea about something popular, but it is easy to miss things this way, probably because others use a different wording, a different spelling, or simply because the actual authors are not the ones naming their ideas (you will probably not get Newton's original super-groundbreaking article on Newton's laws, except through trees of citations, just by searching for "Newton's laws" on any search engine :) When doing academic research, if we want completeness (for example to look for some new ideas) we ca n at least browse the contents of all recent issues of journals of interest, but there is no such thing on the web. Google Directory is an opportunity to get the things more complete for those who really need the completeness, but it is currently woefully incomplete.

    Currently many interesting sites, such as wikipedia, everything2, groklaw, are spread by words-of-mouth (mostly on slashdot :) Surely many people has taken the pain to collect a set of links that is hopefully quite complete by the time of writing (which is much harder than simple googling), but such pages usually show up only in obscure places at google. Maybe the community can invent some way to make an easy-to-use distributed link-list service where everyone can easily share the results of their searching efforts.

  • It's amazing (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AbstracTus ( 576474 ) <einar@[ ]ary.is ['bin' in gap]> on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:19AM (#8561210) Homepage
    The other day I had to look up a missed call from my cellphone. Now, there is a pretty good online phonebook for my country (Iceland), but the number was not found. So I googled it (yes, it has become a verb), and google found it. Turns out it was a direct line to an employee of a company (who's main number was registered in the phonebook). I use google every single day, life just wouldn't be the same without it.
  • Re:Its impessive. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by costas ( 38724 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:24AM (#8561234) Homepage
    That means less than you may think...after all Hoover doesn't have a monopoly on vacuum cleaners nor Kleenex has the market cornered on tissues. Google just happened to be the first effective, widely popular search engine just as the Web was becoming effectively mainstream: the switching costs are still essentially zero (just point your browser to a different URL), so any company that can deliver searches better *enough* than Google, can become the new Google. That's even more impressive IMHO...
  • The alternative... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BiggerIsBetter ( 682164 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:24AM (#8561238)
    I think the "next big thing" will be information only search engines. Filtering through the plethora of advertising and crud is getting more tiresome as the punters learn how to optimise their rankings. Something like Google [google.com] but with a Bayesian spam filter [slashdot.org] attached to the front end to filter the results for me...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:36AM (#8561290)
    I've started using Teoma most of the time.
    http://www.teoma.com/
    It usually has what I'm looking for on the first page, not buried ten pages deep.
  • Same post (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Epistax ( 544591 ) <<moc.liamg> <ta> <xatsipe>> on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:37AM (#8561294) Journal
    I'm using wikipedia now for my encyclopedia over google (which I used to use). I've also been looking for alternative searching systems but google still seems to be the best. I wouldn't put much stock in them staying on top after profit driven investors get to them. Froogle has been an interesting foray, I must say.
  • 6 Billion Pages? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Stevyn ( 691306 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:43AM (#8561329)
    I thought it was 4,285,199,774 pages
  • by 16K Ram Pack ( 690082 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (dnomla.mit)> on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:45AM (#8561354) Homepage
    NB: From the UK

    Some things are fantastic on google/google groups. Searching for technical answers, and often general searching.

    Some things work less well for me, often because of the linkfarm pond scum. Searching for say a type of shop in a particular town often isn't as good as Yell [yell.co.uk]. For fact finding, I often use Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]. For movie info, I go straight to the IMDB [slashdot.org].

    For a search engine, though, I've yet to find anything better.

  • Privacy (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:47AM (#8561373)
    Google has a record of every search your IP address has ever done... As soon as Google merges with an ISP or other entity that can coneect you with that IP address, your Google searching history will be laid bare.
  • by Bl33d4merican ( 723119 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:48AM (#8561380)
    I think Google really is an example of a large company that everyone can like. Other posts have already alluded to the attitude many have taken--not even thinking of other search engines when looking for information. With an index of over 6 Billion Pages it's almost impossible for anyone else to compete. But these facts are just the tip of the economic and creative iceberg. Through a proactive strategy, Google has become a symposium of services. Google News, Froogle, and partnerships with Dictionary.com and Blogger.com. When google created a tool bar (http://toolbar.google.com/), Yahoo and Microsoft followed. (Google's toolbar, FYI, has been the most successful--much to Microsoft's chagrin.) It's actually rather amazing that such an aggressive and successful company has remained free of so much of the controversy typical of similar corporations. Google really is a friendly giant.
  • by FePe ( 720693 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @11:50AM (#8561392)
    "The terrifying and wonderful observation about Google is that people these days are using it as an information resource of first resort," said Brewster Kahle, chairman of the Internet Archive, which is preserving hundreds of millions of Web pages for their historical value. "Unfortunately, many of them also believe if something's not on Google, it doesn't exist."

    I remember reading somewhere on the Net (of course) a piece called something like "Google Ate My Brain" refering to the fact that you have to google to know something, and you can't rely on your existing knowledge. While it's great to be able to use Google for nearly everything you would like to know about, it has its sad counterpoints. One of the counterpoints could be the fact that you are more unsure if what you know about a thing really is right, and you have to google for the truly definitive answer. And another counterpoint could be the absence of deep knowledge on websites.

  • by rtaylor ( 70602 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @12:14PM (#8561535) Homepage
    [i]I recommended it to all my friends.[/i]

    I can personally vouch for why a good chunk of my home town (population 120K) uses it.

    When Google was in Beta, I told my parents. They saw the usefulness and being teachers immediately started recommending it to students and other teachers for research. Students in turn talked to other kids and their parents.

    About a month after that, the local librarian was recommending it, having heard about it from someone at the board office, who heard about it from another teacher that works at my mothers school.

    That's as far as I traced the path but I'm fairly confident it went further than that.

    Of course, I picked it up on Slashdot.
  • by digitalsurgeon ( 629388 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @12:16PM (#8561549) Homepage Journal
    yeah a good question indeed, what will google gain from IPO ? can any body please answer that ?
  • It will gain a quick injection of capital to speed up development of new ideas that are currently in the Lab stage.

    Also, I think when Google started out, Venture Capatilists helped fund it and they probably want to cash in, and get themselves some booty. That is what they do, invest in something so that they can sell it at a profit later on.
  • by ZB Mowrey ( 756269 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @01:00PM (#8561764) Homepage Journal
    I keep getting e-mails with subject lines identical to my searches. So either A. they're selling my information to the highest bidder or B. many people are taking advantage of the referring link to try and invade my mailbox.

    I wish google would stop passing the search words along with the URL when I click on a link. That's a privacy invasion.

    What's worse, now I've started to receive spam that's addressed as 'from' people whose names I've looked up.

    Other than that, I could worship at the temple of google happily. Except that they're planning to go public. Could someone please send me a list of other good engines? I want a couple backup places to check when google starts to suck.

  • by bob_jenkins ( 144606 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @01:06PM (#8561806) Homepage Journal
    Teoma has occasionally found me genealogy links that I couldn't find in Google. I go straight to dictionary.com for word definitions. I haven't found any search engine at all, not even Google, that can search for expressions containing punctuation. Google [Groups] is more useful than Google [Web] about 2/3 of the time. The web is deeper than Usenet, but Usenet is more likely to be discussing the ignorant questions I want to ask than the web.
  • by Sax Maniac ( 88550 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @01:53PM (#8562152) Homepage Journal
    use of is perfectly correct. what does it have to do with your pagerank score?

    Indirectly, it does. According to some articles I've read (this month's Maximum PC, for example), PageRank will consider the presentation (bold, italic, font size, etc) of a word when assigning a weight to it. Think of it, sometimes it's a hint of how important a word is, and rating importance is what Google is all about.

  • by symbolic ( 11752 ) on Sunday March 14, 2004 @03:47PM (#8562813)

    What if google suddently went down? Completely. Totally. Off-the-map down. I wonder how well the internet would route around the problem. Sure there are other search engines, but think of all the more subtle effects that might seen as a result.

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