World's First 1GB Web Mail May Not Be From Google 537
xPertCodert writes "According to
this article, the world's first 1GB web mail is not going to be Google, but from the largest Israeli web portal. With 30Mb per attachment, it seems to be quite useful as well. Looks like an idea of extra-large e-mail storage is becoming really hot these days."
Is this a joke submission? (Score:5, Informative)
I'm going to issue a press release... I will be the first person to send data over phone lines. Maybe it will be hardware you install in your computer! Buy my stock!
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:3, Interesting)
Pfft. You think the Slashdot editors actually do any work? Check this out:
Yes, that is February and yes, the article is still pending.
I'm surprised any stories from right now are even getting processed right now considering they appear to be two months behind on the news.
Re:benefits of subscribing (Score:4, Informative)
Is this a joke post? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:4, Informative)
-New accounts take 2 weeks to activate.
-We were "Shocked, shocked!" at all the new users since
we announced the 1GB email service.
-WebDAV doesn't work.
-POP3 doesn't work.
-FTP works this week, maybe.
-"Don't you want to buy hosting services from us?"
Of course, none of this is on the main page, in the
support pages, or mentioned during the too-long signup
process. I've never felt so ripped-off by a free service.
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:4, Informative)
Spymac is the joke (Score:3, Interesting)
Are you using it? If so what's your address? I don't buy that they're actually doing anything but building a db of advertising data.
Re:Spymac is the joke (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, actually. Spymac is pretty awful in my experience. The mail service is no exception.
First, they ask you for about six pages of information vs. Gmail's two fields. Next, their 'activation' mailing takes two weeks Then you find out that you have a 10MB attachment limit on your 1GB mail account. Then you find out that the advertized POP3 access doesn't, you know...work. (It doesn't at this very moment on my account.)
The end result is a pretty run-of-the-mill webmail service. It made me realize that the promising thing about Gmail isn't the 1GB, it's the features.
Actually, it's not the features... (Score:3, Interesting)
It certainly defecates on hotmail from a substantial altitude.
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:2, Insightful)
How does spymac not qualify because it is already in business? The topic is actually questioning that Google won't be the first, so the Spymac posting is relevant.
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:3, Insightful)
So was Google.
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:2, Interesting)
seems strange that they have a 1 GB email account, yet only give you 350 MB of storage.
Re:Is this a joke submission? (Score:3, Interesting)
Even stranger is that 250 of that is for pictures in the Spymac gallery, which means you can only store 100MB of Real Actual Files.
I wonder if they filter out... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I wonder if they filter out... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I wonder if they filter out... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I wonder if they filter out... (Score:2)
Re:I wonder if they filter out... (Score:2)
It doesn't matter if its same server or another server, the net effect is their bandwidth can be abused.
I'm assuming they'll put bandwidth limits like most free webservers do. Which is why when people tried to use those free webbriefcases for piracy it failed miserably.
The worst part of Slashdot... (Score:3, Insightful)
Google can do it, but can Walla? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not quite sure that they're going to have enough non-local ads in order to serve the world in the way that Google now seems pretty confident in its global geotargeting systems.
Email courtesy?? (Score:2, Insightful)
What happened to e-mail ettiquete??
Re:Email courtesy?? (Score:3, Insightful)
Email ettiquete gave way to productivity. If I need to get a file to someone quickly I'll usually email it (as long as I know that they have a broadband connection or are willing to wait for the attachment to download). Seems like it is all relative. I wouldn't send a 30Mb attachment to my friend on AOL, but to a friend that has cable/dsl they wouldn't mind it one little bit.
Re:Email courtesy?? (Score:2)
Re:Email courtesy?? (Score:2)
ah extra room (Score:5, Funny)
(is that kosher food ?)
Turkey SPAM (R) (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.spam.com/sp/sp_ort.htm [spam.com]
spymac (Score:5, Informative)
Re:spymac (Score:2)
They're out to raise the bar for the existing free mail providers, because it seems like everything from radio stations to comic books have their own free e-mail service these days...
Spam (Score:5, Funny)
Attachments? (Score:5, Interesting)
Insightful?? (Score:5, Insightful)
So... if I wanted to make an attachment and my mail server didn't allow anything over 5MB (and under 30MB), I'd be screwed, right?
Wait! There's a free webbased email service that offers 1GB of space and has a 30MB attachment limit!!
Welcome to economics 101... encourage everyone to switch to your product...
Re:Attachments? (Score:5, Insightful)
Next is the dialup issue, if any of you have ever done tech support for a dialup pool you will have run across the clueless user who gets some huge attachment that will take at least 30 minutes to download, but clueless user is so used to his mail checks taking 30 seconds or less he never lets it download and at that point his email becomes "stuck" he thinks because everything behind said attachment is never being downloaded, nor is the attachment being deleted as it should.
Finally let's not forget here that email is one of the worst methods for moving files around, especially largish files, I mean the overhead required to encode the file in text format for sending means you practically double the original size of the attachment to send it. Throw in some bounces and you waste megabytes of bandwidth.
Re:Attachments? (Score:3, Funny)
I had an idea about this, about making the largest, most comprehensively powerful, dangerous and unstoppable virus ever, giving it an innocuous name and distributing it via Kazaa. Nobody would suspect a 600MB file to be a virus!
Then I realised Windows had already been invented.
The idea (Score:2)
Ben
THERE IS NO WAY (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:THERE IS NO WAY (Score:2, Funny)
We won't try to stop you...
Cute (Score:5, Insightful)
a) Unknown and unheard of company
b) Physically quite a ways from most wired countries, as opposed to widespread google (Akamai?) servers
c) Israeli only so far, vs. however many localizations (let alone simple translations) google/gmail has/will have.
d) None of the advanced searching/sorting features that Gmail has been promising and actually do sound fairly nice.
Re:Cute (Score:2)
Also, from the article link, the free service is for Wallas customers:
Walla Communications (TASE: WALA) Israel's leading Internet portal with 75,000 customers, reported this morning plans to become the first company in the world to provide one-gigabyte (GB) e-mailboxes to its customers.
So unless your a Walla customer and can read Hebrew, looks like your out.
How can web portals afford this? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:How can web portals afford this? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:How can web portals afford this? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:How can web portals afford this? (Score:2)
Sounds expensive, but since the record biz were so anal about licensing and wanted too much money it turned out to be cheaper to do it this way.
my.mp3.com used less disk space but ended up paying a lot more than the money they saved in legal judgements against them....
just an aside - myplay.com launched in 1999, 5 years on the cost of disk
cut out redundancy... relational model (Score:3, Funny)
Re:cut out redundancy... relational model (Score:3, Informative)
They're going to pay for the space by putting AdSense ads next to some emails, based on the user's emails. Just like how they pay for the Google search.
It's possible that the result will be more valuable than the search ads for them, since they'll have more information based on which to target the ads, so advertisers will have a higher response rate.
-Billy
1GB = $2 if you fill it. Advertising pays (Score:5, Informative)
And that's if you fill the space - while some people can do that overnight (:-), it'll take a while before their average user receives enough email to get close to that much, and the cost of disk capacity is still on a deep dive, so by the time the average user fills their 1GB, it'll cost $1 or $0.50 instead of $2.
Re:How can web portals afford this? (Score:2)
So what? (Score:5, Interesting)
Not only that, but the Israeli service requires money whereas Gmail is free. I am confident that Gmail will be the only truly successful free gigabyte email service.
Re:So what? (Score:5, Interesting)
GMail is designed to organize your information for easy access later. Messages are threaded, part of a conversation on a topic. Searching your mail is emphasized. And, because it's web-based, you can access you mail and any information in your mail from any computer.
The 1G of storage is just a means to the end.
Ok... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sending huge attachments is nice and everything, but it's only going to work if your friend has a gmail/spymac acount (or thier own mail server) too..
My Own Announcement (Score:5, Funny)
Better brush up on your Hebrew! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Better brush up on your Hebrew! (Score:2)
new spam (Score:2, Funny)
Has anyone been to Walla's website? (Score:3, Informative)
one problem (Score:2, Funny)
whats the big deal? (Score:4, Interesting)
Is the big difference here the fact that its offered as a 1000 megs of space? Im sure many providers dont monitor disk usage for email if you go through small isp's, Ive never had a problem with them.
Re:whats the big deal? (Score:3, Informative)
I guess it was all for the best I reduced my service to email forw
I want to be able mail iso images (Score:2)
The real issue is accessiblity (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure I could use IMAP, but I get about 200 spam a day, and a 30 meg limit. It's not practical. I need globally accesible email respitory. That's what it is about - access anywhere to your email, in a manner that won't fill up your account. My mozilla mail file is several hundred megs, dating back years. I save it all, JIC. And it helps. Even one old email can make thouse 100s of megs worth it.
If we had a way to store the data on our PCs, then retrive it anywhere, in a consisant manner (meaning Mozilla would place nice with it - and it would play nice with Mozilla (like a shared sent folder)) then I think we'd be 99% happy and not need 1gig of email hosting. It's cheapest on my drive. It's a fixed cost, and I've already paid ot off. 1gig is cheap. ($0.50-$1) (Though it may not be safest, I never back that bitch up)
Great, a new web-based hard drive for me... (Score:4, Interesting)
When in doubt, mod +1 insightful and pray...
Re:Great, a new web-based hard drive for me... (Score:5, Interesting)
It's a pretty risky endeavour anyway (for backups that is) as you're running the risk everyday of being caught and having your accounts wiped. Not exactly a bullet proof backup solution is it?
Lovely! (Score:5, Funny)
can't sign up (Score:2)
Re:can't sign up (Score:2)
Yet that doesn't stand in the way when they try to write an English-language press release...
Seems like stock pumping an nothing more... move along...
Hmm. (Score:2, Insightful)
Am I missing something here? (Score:2)
How fast you can up/download it
What you can do to your mail without downloading it
Did the internet suddenly get a lot faster while I wasn't looking? Even at cable modem speeds, it would take at least an hour to move 1 GB up or down from a remote server.
Re:Am I missing something here? (Score:2)
It's about having a (in case of most people text emails) an nearly unlimited storage limit so you never have to delete email or get messages bounced back.
It's not about storing files and downloading them.
Christ.
This will be a boon (Score:5, Insightful)
At least Walla won't ... (Score:2)
Of course, think of all the international "customers" who will deliberately not choose Walla because of its nationality. Now, if they were Indian or Japanese
WTF are you talking about? (Score:2)
And it's not like people can't sue other people in isreal.
What I want to know (Score:2)
But you'd think, they're google, they're going to be really good at looking at information and classifying it, they should be able to get some great anti-spam systems setup. I'd figure that anti-spam would be part of the marketing for any email provider thes
Someone here should try to beat them both (Score:2)
Just don't advertise it... and try to keep your number of accounts under about 100, and you're all set. Singlehandedly, you have just defeated both the most successful search engine in history, and the government of Israel.
Oh, man.. now I've got to do that... I wonder how many people would want an user@youhavenochancetosurvivemakeyourtime.com address..
I guess my sentiments are... (Score:4, Insightful)
This is hardly a big deal. It's merely an imaginary milestone that we think is important, but is really completely relevant. Is this any kind of technical feat? No. Is this even useful? Not for the majority of people.
And besides, as a number of people have pointed out already, the title of "first 1 GB e-mail service provider" is taken.
*irrelevant (Score:2, Funny)
Size is not all that matters (Score:4, Interesting)
Not have big problems against the origin of the company, but maybe things could be slower for US residents or countries that have to connect thru US to reach it, or if it have some kind of success, if their (and maybe their country) bandwidth could handle the load that handles google already.
Virus protection (Score:3, Informative)
The problem with spam protection is that you can't be overly agressive when
Few thoughts (Score:2, Interesting)
I can see the Monty Python already. (Score:2)
Can you take it?
But it hasn't even been cracked yet.
I have product activation...I'll be reporting you soon.
*pulls out a hex editor.....CRACK*
*Loads it into the cart*
Bring out your warez! *dong*
The battle has begun (Score:4, Interesting)
When Google announced its GMail on April 1st I took it seriously and decided to improve my e-mail service offering. It's now accessible over the web, SSL secured, fully text searchable and free. Before it was POP3 only, not secured and not free. I'm going to look into adding IMAP access as well. 15,000KB attachment limit and no storage limits as long as you don't try to use it as a remote harddrive.
You also don't need an existing e-mail account to sign up. Which is nice if you need to sign up for a service and really don't care to give them any real information.
Also, when you delete a message, it's gone.
Ben
just great (Score:2)
Did EVERYBODY miss the train on this? (Score:5, Informative)
Ok, so it's a huge number, and so everybody seems to have stared themselves blind at it, and missed the print underneath.
Google's email service is about having your email searchable. About retrieving old email by searching for a part of it. About eliminating the need for folders, dates, keywords to remember your mail. About a all-in-one-bucket, always-available mail store, that's accessed by searching rather than sorting and browsing.
Forget about the one-gigabyte limit. That's just tweaking parameters that others already have. It's nothing really innovative.
What's really new is their entire approach.
Hear hear (Score:3, Insightful)
Search feature sounds pretty much like what M2 client [opera.com] has:
Search your M2 e-mails for almost anything. A search "sticks" and becomes an access point, so that you can easily refer to it in the future.
I realize that M2 is not free and not web-based, but still it makes Gmail's searching much less of a novelty than someone
The point is that GMail is unique due to the combination of features it has to offer, which among other things include kick-ass UI, search and storage space.
BZZZZT WRONG (Score:5, Insightful)
NO NO NO NO!!! Email was not designed for this.
furthermore, many email clients are not equipped to deal with attachments to the tune of 30mb. Most notable examples are Outhouse/Outhouse Express. Their attachment limit is somewhere near 1.7mb (for a 36.6Kbps dialup connection) and around 5.4mb for most broadband (most mailservers capped at 128Kbps).
There is a hardcoded timeout interval in there that causes retrieval and sending of a message of that size to fail if it doesn't see EOF go by in a certain amount of time.
Re:Israel? (Score:2, Flamebait)
The USA have laughable privacy provisions, but whenever I hear about software from Israel, it's either espionage or war related. Considering that, I don't think I need to hear about their privacy laws before I can make the decision.
(No offense, they're livin
Re:Israel? (Score:3, Insightful)
This is accurate and appropriate:
I'm German, so I feel qualified to answer this comment. Given the choice between an Israeli webmailer and Google, I'd choose Google.
Without taking into account features, performance, etc. etc. he picks Google based on the fact that the other one is from Israel. This is accurate? How is the fact that he is from Germany qualify him to post that?
But don't let that stop you from histrionic stereotyping of some
Re:Israel? (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps he meant that as a German, he was well qualified to make anti-semetic statements.
Yeah Right (Score:3, Informative)
And what McAddress said was clearly not funny.
Naturally McAddress was modded +5 Funny. Moderation here is completely worthless.
Re:Israel? (Score:2)
You seem to miss the part in his post where he mentions that he is from Germany. What else does that imply?
Nice try, though. Now shut the fuck up and let the grownups talk.
Interesting, do "grownups" such as yourself always talk behind a veil of anonymity? I wasn't persuaded by your post until I read your powerful use of the word "fuck". But now... now I feel you must be right.
Re:Israel? (Score:4, Interesting)
The only real news here is that you don't see more companies offering reasonable disk space for their hosting and email in the day of the $79 200GB hard drive.
Re:Israel? (Score:3, Insightful)
Whether they're lying because they think it's justified for their cause, or just because they're trolling is a separate matter.
Re:Israel? (Score:3, Redundant)
I think this is the fastest invocation of Godwin's Law [killfile.org] on
Re:Israel? (Score:2, Insightful)
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
This has nothing to do with Godwin's Law. He wasn't making a comparison at all, but a joke.
Re:Anti-Semite. (Score:2, Offtopic)
oblig. family guy. (Score:2)
Re:This could save lives... really (Score:2)
Re:This could save lives... really (Score:2)
Israeli buses, of course, are notorious targets for "suicide" (homicide) bombers. Students form a disproportionately large number of the bombers' victims. So maybe a life or two will be spared thanks to this service. Am I stretching? Possibly. But it's food for thought, nonetheless.
Yep, thank god for huge email attachme