New Wave Of File-Sharing Embraces Secrecy 500
twin-cam writes "There's an article over at The Inquirer that software developers are designing secret file sharing networks that will make it harder for the music and file industry to prove cases of piracy.
According to Reuters, three file sharing networks are being planned which its users think will make it a lot harder for
music industry to track and charge people on their networks. The first is Optisoft which runs on Blubster and Piolet, music-only file-sharing networks. Only a matter of time before the RIAA requests a data dump from the ISPs or just sues everyone using their network."
Anonymous file sharing already exists... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Anonymous file sharing already exists... (Score:2, Informative)
W.A.S.T.E. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Anonymous file sharing already exists... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Anonymous file sharing already exists... (Score:5, Informative)
The Freshmeat description says....
One key concept seems to be that all nodes are assigned a virtual address. Files are then sent from node A to node B. Packets from A to B are routed through the virtual network. But A and B's actual IP addresses are not known to any other nodes in the network, and thus not to any RIAA nodes.
Re:Data dump? (Score:2, Informative)
What about p2p networks outside the US? The DMCA might be far reaching, but it still has limits. Most other jurisdictions don't have anything like the DMCA, yet...
Re:DMCA to the rescue! Yes, that's right.... (Score:5, Informative)
DMCA Title 17, Chapter 12, Section 1201 (a) (1) (A) states " No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." If your network communictions is not protected under the copyright law, then it is not protected under the DMCA.
If you want to make statments of the DMCA, then you should at the very least read the appropriate Section [cornell.edu] before providing a layman's opinion, and back up your claim. While you're at it, you might as well read the entire section and get a complete understanding of the law in question.
If you want to really know how the DMCA works, then either consult a lawyer or enroll in law school yourself.
Peer-to-peer networks are legal - however, illegal activities performed on them are not. Even if the DMCA does protect all forms of encryption, it only takes a few sessions of a government comittee to change this.
Piolet vs Blubster (Score:5, Informative)
Re:FreeNet is a nice idea (Score:1, Informative)
*cough* without the author's permission.
You don't need to hide if you're trading copyrighted material that you have permission to trade, or own the copyright on yourself.
Copyright law is not *only* for them. (mostly, now, but not only)
Re:Anonymous file sharing already exists... (Score:4, Informative)
MUTE [sourceforge.net] OTOH is newer, and seems to be much better suited for the job.
Re:An Easy Solution (Score:3, Informative)
Re:DMCA to the rescue! Yes, that's right.... (Score:1, Informative)
This means in effect that the work cannot be duplicated without permission of both copyright holders. If I make a film that infringes on the copyright of Mickey Mouse, the copyright of my film does not belong to Disney, and if they choose to distribute it without my permission then I can sue for breach of copyright. Of course, becuase it is derivative of their work I can't distribute it without their permission either. HTH.
Thanks Slashdot! (Score:5, Informative)
DO NOT INSTALL PIOLET OR BLUBSTER.
--
Re:Thanks Slashdot! (Score:1, Informative)
A few issues... (Score:5, Informative)
The second thing this network doesn't provide is any incentive whatsoever to share files or bandwidth. Networks that rely solely on the honor system doesn't get much (one of many reasons Freenet is slow).
Third, it's trivial to disrobe which server is sending you what. Instead of sending "to all nodes like searches", a hostile client would try them in order. Servers could tell eachother, but the server might be hostile too.
Fourth, the entire network sounds like a DDoS waiting to happen. I flood the network with UDP packets telling them to all hit one server. That server has no way to tell them he doesn't want those packets, since he doesn't know the network.
Hell, since you installed it voluntarily (as opposed to getting a DDoS trojan) they might even sue the network nodes for DDoS'ing them. Nothing like a little legal liability too. Not to mention the good press you'd get.
Kjella
Re:W.A.S.T.E. (Score:3, Informative)
In my experience, this isn't true. The WASTE client [dnetc.org] (for Linux, at least) is still at an early stage of development. In fact, there only seem to be operational WASTE clients available for Microsoft's Windows right now.
Re:Bit Torrent? (Score:2, Informative)
Steve
Re:Good. (Score:5, Informative)
It would appear that all these "anonymous" peer-to-peer networks just make all users infringe rather than just those who choose to.
When I run a FreeNet node, items of data from other people are placed, in part, on my hard drive. If one of these items is part of a copyright-protected work, then the original distributor has committed copyright infringment. However, that is only the first copy. Any time someone else retrieves that item there is a chance that my PC will now supply some parts of the item, making another copy and thus infringing copyright.
Essentially any FreeNet user has a high probability of committing copyright infringment and cannot control this as he or she has no idea what data is all hashed up and encrypted in the data store. By this reasoning, it could be argued that it is in fact illegal to use FreeNet. I don't necessarily agree, but the fact that this possible argument exists could cause problems for anonymous peer-to-peer networks in the future.
This is sad, because anonymous networks have other uses beyond covert distribution of material protected by copyright, such as bypassing censorship.
Re:Good. (Score:5, Informative)
No peel? [dole.com]
Spyware (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Monopoly? Yes. (Score:5, Informative)
"People toss the term "monopoly" around quite inaccurately, I think."
Yes, people like you. I will correct your mistakes and misconceptions though.
"I mean, of course record companies have a "virtual monopoly" on making records. But canned air makers have a "virtual monopoly" on canned air. Super glue makers have a "virtual monopoly" on super glue. So what?"
Canned air makers do not have a monopoly since there is no barrier to entry, i.e. I myself can can air right now. Super glue is also not a monopoly since there are readily available alternatives.
In order for monopoly to exist you need: 1) Strong barriers to entry and no close alternatives.
The RIAA is a a monopoly in that they exert monopoly power like a cartel (e.g. OPEC). The blatent evidence is that the RIAA was recently fined for abusing their monopoly to gouge consumers and were fined under US anti-trust laws.
Re:Good. (Score:5, Informative)
Ok, let me tell you how it does work in a Capitalist society:
You either offer us what we want at a fair price, or we tell you to take that garbage and cram it up your arse. At that point, you go out of business, and someone else comes along and offers us what we want at a fair price.
Welcome to Capitalism 101, I'll be your instructor - my name is Reality.
big difference (Score:2, Informative)
Re:An Easy Solution (Score:5, Informative)
Seems to me like it would perform horribly.
Re:An Easy Solution (Score:3, Informative)
Also, to those naysayers: try to keep up with the latest Freenet/ENTROPY builds.
Re:Monopoly? Not. (Score:5, Informative)
Then there's also the consumer perception of the artists producing the music, let's face it, few of the major label acts are starving while many consumers are stretching their budgets and doing without some things they would surely enjoy.
A good example of giving it away exists for all in North America to enjoy, did you know that by installing a DVB-PCI card in your computer and then pointing an 18" satellite dish at Echostar7 you can listen to over 120 FREE audio feeds? In fact recently they added the 61 Sirius Satellite Radio music channels which are also unencrypted on the bird. You can also enjoy free audio feeds on several other satellites, these cost nothing beyond the initial purchase of equipment (less than $100).
So, consumers can listen to free music on the radio, they can receive free music via satellite and for some reason they are supposed to believe that downloading the song from the net is "theft"? I mean I could legally hit "record" on my DVB app here and get the very same song for free and at 192kbit as well!
Re:Anonymous file sharing already exists... (Score:1, Informative)
Furthermore, since there exist (crappy) search engines for FreeNet, your search engine rant seems to fall flat. But if there weren't, and couldn't be, the lack of search engines would a major problem with the network, and a strong disincentive towards using it. Similarly, the fact that it is still alpha after a long time, whether or not its development could have been speeded up, is a shortcoming.
Finally, I would imagine since he was so patient with it, and unless he's lying is in a fairly visible position, I don't think he was using it for piracy. Some people do things as a public service.
Canadians beware! This stuff's coming north (Score:3, Informative)
Now it looks like things are going to change, and soon we will have the same situation as there is in the United States. The recording industry lobby, spearheaded by Canadian Recording Industry Association, CRIA [www.cria.ca] is pushing our legislators to overhaul Canadian copyright law. The model for the changes is WIPO [wikipedia.org], which is implemented in the United States as DMCA.
Dammit, doesn't this look familiar? Are you scared yet?? The corporate lobby is rewriting laws that our courts have already decided are fair. Please speak up! Sign our petition for user's rights [digital-copyright.ca], if you're Canadian. Sign it, mail it to us, and we'll take them all to Parliament. We need to show parliament that we have demands as users of media, and that we will exercise our votes.
Re:Good. (Score:3, Informative)
Well, iTunes is known for being even more expensive than albums on CD, so anybody coming from a "saving money" point of view might not be so impressed with it.
It also has a reputation for DRM, which emotion aside, is still a barrier for people who value the ability to play the music they have. Yes, it may have lenient restrictions compared to other formats, but still, it's very difficult for most of us to manipulate iTunes files on our computers. For example, how do I put tracks on my MP3 player? How do I play them in XMMS? The answer almost always involves something time-consuming and inconvenient, normally burning a CD and ripping it.
Of course, iTunes also suffers from a lack of resolution compared to the corresponding CD track, when the compression settings are such as to allow music to be downloaded over the modern internet. This is a problem for any internet distribution channel, but I believe that when you ordered CDs to be posted from MP3.com, you got audio quality that's better than a typical internet download.
As with all things, these problems have different effects on different people, but when iTunes has features unsatisfactory to (a) those interested in price, (b) those interested in freedom, and (c) those interested in audio quality, then iTunes might not be the most suitable means for music distribution.
Of course, the number of tracks that they've sold says a lot about the alternatives. Or perhaps, says a lot about the compromises people are willing to make.
Re:Monopoly? Not. (Score:2, Informative)
Not quite so simple. It IS a virtual monopoly because 95% of the worldwide distribution is at the hands of 5 RIAA-member companies: Sony, EMI, BMG, Universal, and Time Warner. Just because there are other companies that belong in the remaining 5% doesn't mean you can compare it to an industry where companies have healthy competition going with no price-fixing/gouging deals.
Re:Monopoly? Not. (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not arguing against copyright here - just pointing out that there is an anti-competitive form of monopoly that exists.
Perhaps one solution would be to free the music in a different sort of way - change the copyright laws so that copyright cannot be transfered from the original author - and then outlaw licensing schemes that are exclusionary - that would help the artists and protect the consumers and make the labels actually compete with each other day to day for customers.
If you ever get a chance listen to John Perry Barlow talk about bthe history of music copyright .... there was none for the longest time - wandering musicians played music, learned songs from each other and played them live. No one ever paid royalties ... it was only when the rise of the victorian middle class put pianos in people's houses that sheet music became under copyright, and after that recordings did the current way of looking at music as being owned come about .... untill just over 100 years ago music was free
What about? (Score:3, Informative)
my website has a waste network for those who want to give it a try.