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VisiCalc Turns 25, Creators Interviewed 149

Xaroth writes "It's hard to believe that it's already been 25 years since the release of one of the world's first 'killer apps.' 1979 saw the creation of VisiCalc, the first microcomputer-based spreadsheet and the single application that launched widespread computer use among businesses. To remember this event, PC World has published portions of interviews with the three co-creators of the modern spreadsheet: Dan Bricklin, Bob Frankston, and Dan Fylstra. Alternately, check out the Software History website for more information on this and other historical bits."
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VisiCalc Turns 25, Creators Interviewed

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  • Test it out! (Score:5, Informative)

    by JThundley ( 631154 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @07:25PM (#9330716)
    Run it yourself! [bricklin.com]

    I bet there's a Linux one floating around out there, I guess I'll try to WINE this one.
  • by Blakey Rat ( 99501 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @07:26PM (#9330719)
    Don't bother with that Software History website linked to in the article. There's very little content, and it seems to be mostly a placeholder and a place for people to give them donations.

    As far as I can tell, it has absolutely zero content about Visicalc, and I have no idea why it was linked to in the first place.
  • Dosemu works (Score:5, Informative)

    by cheezycrust ( 138235 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @07:41PM (#9330811)
    It seems to work under Dosemu and Freedos (Dos emulation for Linux). WINE is overkill, since it doesn't use any Windows stuff.
  • by JuggleGeek ( 665620 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @08:10PM (#9330974)
    Some time ago there was the question raised concerning ownership and transfer of patents, etc. of the spreadsheet

    Visicalc came out in 1979. At that time, software patents were rarely granted. (Our legal system has corrupted patents since that time.) Dan Bricklin has some information about Visicalc and panents on his website.

    http://www.bricklin.com/patenting.htm [bricklin.com]

  • Re:Ah ... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Wavicle ( 181176 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @08:11PM (#9330983)
    You haven't got the slightest idea what you are talking about.

    Good thing you posted as anonymous coward so that the world will not know just how clueless you really are.

    Even difficult problems like the travelling salesman or Towers of Hanoi have been solved and added to the calculation engine. This kind of feature adding essentially reduces the calculation time of these problems to a O(1) table lookup.

    WHAT? Start making sense. Towers of Hanoi is a 2^n problem, but it doesn't actually "solve" anything. A look-up table would make absolutely no sense. Do you need a look up table to figure out what a stack of rings looks like on peg 2 as opposed to peg 1? You could make a LUT for "move X", but the problem grows so fast, you can quickly see that just 40 discs would create a LUT that would fill most raid arrays.

    The traveling salesman is NP-complete. Transforming it to a problem in P has never been done. The notion of a LUT for this problem is silly. You can only precompute the LUT for one instance of the problem. If you can convert all possible such problems to an O(1) lookup table though, you will have solved the P=NP problem and can claim the US$1million prize.

    Because you are probably a sysadmin with a degree from DeVry and don't understand that notation, I'll explain it simply: O(1) means "really fast".

    You've never taken computing theory yourself, have you? The next paragraph you write emphasizes that either you didn't, or you slept through the class:

    If we consider that a signed 16 bit integer can only handle values between -16k through 16k,

    2^15 ~= 32K

    it becomes obvious that Visicalc simply couldn't handle the types of calculations that we are performing today

    Even back in 1979, computers had the same computational power as a turing machine. They could perform the same calculations as computers today, their only limiting factor is available memory and available time.

    (32 bits allows us values of +-2 trillion).

    2^31 ~= 2 billion (or if you're one of those UK types, 2 thousand million)
  • by Gatton ( 17748 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @08:17PM (#9331022)
    Feel free to mod redundant if it's already been posted but I didn't see it.

    Read this website several months ago and it's quite detailed. Maybe more than you wanted to know but it's very detailed and is a good read.

    Implementing Visicalc [frankston.com]

  • by wizbit ( 122290 ) on Thursday June 03, 2004 @08:19PM (#9331041)
    Total sales, including the PC port, were about 2.5 million. This was a pretty common tale, too, many programs (including visicalc) had some history on the apple 2 series before being ported for the PC.
  • by wsxyz ( 543068 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @07:42AM (#9333385)
    He got it out of his butt.

    Well over 10 million Apple IIs were manufactured and sold. Remember that "Apple II" as a general term includes Apple II, Apple II plus, Apple IIe, Apple IIc, Apple IIc+, and Apple IIgs machines. On top of that there were millions of clones produced all over the world.
  • by Xaroth ( 67516 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @09:29AM (#9333968) Homepage
    Quoth the article:

    In May, the Software History Center in Boston reunited veterans of the PC's first decade to reminisce and exchange war stories. The luminaries included the three principals behind VisiCalc: Dan Bricklin, who conceived the idea; Bob Frankston, who programmed VisiCalc; and Dan Fylstra, whose VisiCorp brought the product to a surprised world. Here are edited versions of interviews with all three.

    Given that it was the original source of the interviews, it seemed appropriate to mention it in the synopsis.

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