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Thunderbird 0.7 Released 383

aeinome writes "Right on the heels of the release of Firefox 0.9 comes the official release of Thunderbird 0.7. Updates are similar to Firefox's, with new extension and theme managers and slight increases in speed. Be sure to read the release notes for the complete list of new features, and then download it from the Thunderbird homepage."
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Thunderbird 0.7 Released

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  • Mozilla (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sandman1971 ( 516283 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @08:29PM (#9447724) Homepage Journal
    My question is.... When will Firefox and Thunderbird be packaged together in a new full blown Mozilla release? Can't seem to find any info on the website regarding it.
  • Re:They won't (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @08:41PM (#9447809)
    The only problem is that they load two copies of gecko into memory, two copies of XUL, etc.

    Some way of sharing memory between them would be nice. It doesn't matter if they use 40% less memory than Mozilla if there are two copies open.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @09:00PM (#9447937)

    I am sorry to rain on the parade and I will start my (anonymous) rant with kudos for the Mozilla developers.

    Having said that, I just tried to upgrade my existing Thunderbird installation and I get an error that refuses to go away till I kill the fricking Thunderbird instance. Yes, clean profile, yadda,yadda,yadda.. I know all about it. The reality that the Mozilla developers steadfastly seem to deny is this.. (in bold text, since I am somewhat annoyed).

    Though you say that your products are not release ready, people actually USE them as if they were .

    Ask me how many times I've agonized and read forums and moaned and wrung my hands over Firefox ? Many, many hours. The move from 0.7 to 0.8 was traumatic and the move from 0.8 to 0.9 was less so, but still took several hours of time before things were back to normal. Yes, I understand the use of profiles, why it is important, why having the same profile from one version to another is a bad idea.. But face facts. We are now (in the case of Thunderbird) 3 point releases away from a 1.0 Is going from fully functioning mail client to something that won't even start even remotely acceptable ? My view is that it is not.

    Add to that the attitude of some (again, I apologize for waving a very general tar brush in the direction of the hardworking and unrecognized Mozilla developers) responsible for core development and you wonder ... are you an open source project worthy of the name ? I personally would LOVE to help. But what's the point ? There has been public rejection or ignoring of my attempts to get involved. I know I am not alone in this plight. I will just mention in passing that some of the Mozilla developers come off as having a slight attitude problem and leave it at that. If you have had the misfortune at being on the receiving end of their tirades, you know what I mean here.

    I like Mozilla, I like the idea of choice, I like the idea of an alternate mail client and browser. I am willing to help, as are so many others. But if we're delegated to the role of consumers and consumers alone, then at least listen. Your installer sucks in terms of migrating existing profiles and users. I am sorry, but it doesn't matter how many bells and whistles your application has.. if it doesn't start, it's all moot anyway. Maybe THIS post will get through to some person who is responsible for decision making in Mozilla. If not, thanks Slashdot. You let me vent and let off steam.

  • by fupeg ( 653970 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @09:11PM (#9448000)
    From the release notes:
    Upgraders: DO NOT install Mozilla Thunderbird into a directory containing program files from a previous version. Overwriting files from a previous release WILL cause problems.
    They have an installer and yet they have this problem? How amateur is this? If this is the case, then the installer should delete the old directory or better yet, delete the files that are not overwritten and cause problems. I love Thunderbird, but this is pretty weak.
  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @09:19PM (#9448038)
    The funny thing is, they do have 3 browsers, even though Thunderbird isn't one of them!

    (Mozilla, Firefox, and Camino, by the way - and they have 3 because they serve different purposes)
  • Re:Not from me.... (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @09:37PM (#9448153)
    I love Slashdot. Every problem with OSS is PEBKAC, and gets moderated into the stratosphere.

    Sorry, renamed the old directory, it won't run.
  • by aardvarkjoe ( 156801 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @10:06PM (#9448357)
    Version numbers are meaningless outside of a particular project. Although many projects use the "0.x is beta" system, that's by no means universal.

    More to the point, however, if they can't get upgrading to work right in the beta phase, why should we expect them to get it right later?
  • Re:It's not. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mikefoley ( 51521 ) <`mike' `at' `yelof.com'> on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @10:58PM (#9448636) Homepage
    Which makes me wonder why so much effort is being put into confusing potential users.

    I love Mozilla. I switch alot of people to Mozilla. Why not put alot of the nice look and feel of Firefox and Thunderchicken into the Mozilla suite?

    Confuse less of your "customers" and satisfy the rest.
  • by rjhall ( 80887 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @11:00PM (#9448651)
    Well, that does work for me.
    But I ctrl-m to compose a message, and ctrl-shift-m doesn't do what you would (or, at least, *I* would) expect.
  • by Bloody Pulp ( 101306 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2004 @11:25PM (#9448783) Journal
    Both Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 and Mozilla Firefox 0.9 are considered "Technology Previews" as clearly indicated in their release notes and both state you should uninstall any previous versions before installing a new version. The Firefox 0.9 notes state that upgrading will be fixed in a future release. As well, installers for technology previews are generally considered unofficial preview installers since the upgrading issues involving the installer are not considered important until they have a stable release.
  • HTML email sucks (Score:3, Insightful)

    by BinLadenMyHero ( 688544 ) <binladen@9[ ]ls.org ['hel' in gap]> on Thursday June 17, 2004 @01:24AM (#9449314) Journal
    Parent is not trolling, HTML email is indeed bad etiquette. Just a matter of KISS. Anyway, why HTML email? Email is meant to send text messages. Attachments are fine if you want to transmit something else (like you can do in regular mail), but deliver the text as text (preferably 7-bit ASCII) so it's easier to read for everyone in any device.
  • question (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dbc001 ( 541033 ) on Thursday June 17, 2004 @02:09AM (#9449483)
    is it possible to use thunderbird / firefox and have them share a single set of config files? is there a tutorial anywhere showing how to do this?

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