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How Does Gmail Stack Up In The Webmail World? 362

Wrecks writes "Flexbeta compares several email services that promise 1 GB of storage to see how they measure up to Google's Gmail. The review mentions how one service, ShireMail, offers far less features than SpyMac yet cost 10 times as much. The article also mentions how well Gmail is able to filter spam messages." Among the webmail options not mentioned in this review (the authors compare a total of five offerings) is another gig-of-mail offering from the Indian rediffmail.
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How Does Gmail Stack Up In The Webmail World?

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  • It's google.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Creepy Crawler ( 680178 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:11AM (#9793954)
    So how far will you be down-modded for talking bad about it?

    Because of GMail, my yahoo account went FROM 6 MB storage to 100MB storage.
  • by Demogoblin ( 249774 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:16AM (#9793968)
    ..that a google ad appeared below this article.
  • grammar (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:21AM (#9793987)
    fewer features...
  • Re:It's google.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by selderrr ( 523988 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:25AM (#9793998) Journal
    all of these free GB mail accounts have 1 bad aura : you never know how long the conditions, the account, or even the complete system wil last. I have a DSL connection which came with 5 mailboxes 4 years ago still going strong. I used to have usa.net account that was canceled when their service stopped, a spam-blown free.net account, and a yahoo acount that all of a sudden stopped working.
  • Re:It's google.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mog007 ( 677810 ) <Mog007@gm a i l . c om> on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:32AM (#9794030)
    I think G-Mail is a great step for webmail. I stopped using webmail back in the late 90's because Yahoo was terrible, and I didn't even bother with Hotmail.

    Ignore that email address up there... it's not skewing my opinion or anything. Honest.
  • by nusratt ( 751548 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:34AM (#9794044) Journal
    (mostly) -- for my usage, that is.

    -- I use webmail, but not for high-volume long-term storage.
    I download-and-delete my webmail to perm storage, so I don't need massive space,
    and I'm happy to let my local filter do my spam filtering.

    -- I use webmail just for two purposes:
    (1) to keep a long-term copy a few things I might want when away (e.g., editor, telnet client, etc.);
    (2) to check my mail when I temporarily can't access my perm mail storage --
    and at those times, I'm willing to tolerate the spam if the server doesn't catch it.

  • Actually, the web interface is so much better than any email client I've ever used (elm, mutt, Evolution, Thunderbird) that I would never want to use a real email client again. My web browser is always open, and now mail is a click away.

    Gmail has really changed how I use email. The conversation feature is just wonderful. So is the search. I really love it :)
  • by zogger ( 617870 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:42AM (#9794074) Homepage Journal
    ...not being shy I'll ask it anyway. Isn't it possible, given that you can buy cheap generic hosting now, to just run your own web based email, instead of using a third party service where you don't have as much control over it? All I can see as an advantage with gmail and whatnot is that it is free, but after that, it is still a hassle and you get ads, etc. I would think that getting your own independent email service might be better in the long run, it adds an element of security-no evile stuff gets downloaded to your machine, and you have control over what gets saved and doesn't and who looks at it,and the obvious portability and access from anyplace that is the same with other web based emails, etc. Well, somewhat anyway.

    Anyone have an experience in this, any recommendations?
  • by smallfries ( 601545 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:49AM (#9794092) Homepage
    I think that you've missed the point with the labels, they're not supposed to nest hierarchically because they can overlap. Think query rather than sorting. So in your example you'd use 3 labels; 'Geocaches', 'Watched', and 'Owned'. Then tag your messages with either 'Geocaches' and 'Watched' or 'Geocaches' and 'Owned'. Then search for messages with both labels.
  • Re:DIY Gmail (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Apreche ( 239272 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @09:53AM (#9794102) Homepage Journal
    I agree that however much better the gmail interface is than the other webmail interfaces, its still webmail. I still want IMAP and Thunderbird. If you want a Gmail type search on your own e-mail you will have to write that software yourself. But, the Thunderbird guys could possibly be working on something like that for future versions. I don't see a use for it myself since I don't have more e-mail in my Inbox than I can see at one time. So searching through it is kind of useless.

    What I would like, however, is for google to release gmail as a downloadable product. That way I can replace Squirrel Mail with gmail. Imagine running your own e-mail server with gmail running the web interface for it. THAT is teh hotness. I think that this is the department where google can really shine. If they do something like this and make it quality they can start to take market share away from things like Exchange.

    Go Google.
  • by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @10:02AM (#9794137)
    I got my g-mail account and discovered my mail is stuck there. I cant move it to another account or dowload it to my home computer. Having 1GB of legacy e-mail that could go poof at anytime is not very attractive, so I stopped using it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25, 2004 @10:23AM (#9794217)
    All I want to know is one thing. Which free ones work with plain text only ? No java, javascript, active x,.....
  • All gmail needs... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dilvie ( 713915 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @10:42AM (#9794301) Homepage Journal

    ...is a desktop client that will let me download my mail to my own computer (including all the neat features like search and conversations, of course!)

    If it offered that, gmail would be about as good as today's obsolete e-mail system could get.

    What it really needs to be even better than the current obsolete system can get, is public-key based encryption and authentication to fight spam and preserve a little privacy.

  • Spam filters? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Turn-X Alphonse ( 789240 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @11:29AM (#9794491) Journal
    Why do people want spam filters? This is slashdot, if you can download a firewall and virus scanner then you can sure as hell protect yourself against a little spam by not giving youe e-mail address out to people you don't trust.

    In the last few years I've had 3 major e-mail accounts (G-mail, hotmail and yahoo!). Neither of them have had any spam I can't trace back to pissing off a little girl who signed me up to loads on my hotmail account (all of which I unsubscribed from and never got spam from again).

    Remember spam doesn't just find your e-mail address, it must be given it some how.
  • by derF024 ( 36585 ) * on Sunday July 25, 2004 @11:40AM (#9794531) Homepage Journal
    I've heard a lot about the lack of folders but once you get used to the lables you wonder why nobody else had implemented it first.

    Evolution has had such a feature (called VFolders) for years.

    The problem I have with gmail is that I get a lot of reports and such mailed to me nightly from servers I manage. With evolution, I can search through them quickly and easily and manage messages by the hundreds. Gmail limits you to working with 50 messages at a time. The last time I logged into my Gmail account, I had ~2000 messages in the inbox and wanted to sort through them. In evolution, I could just type some search terms into the search box and filter out certain messages, deleting or archiving them as I choose. Gmail wanted me to wade through 40 pages of message listings to do the same thing. No thanks.

    Beyond that, everyone is going crazy over this "Innovative conversation view", which has been in just about every decent mail client for longer than I can remember. Except Google managed to screw it up by not giving you a proper message tree to see how messages relate to one another, they just show you every related message in one big list. Not usable at all.

    Maybe I'm just weird in that I'm subscribed to a lot of high volume discussion lists and a handle a lot of mail over the course of the day, but I find gmail to be completely unacceptable as a replacement for a real mail client. To give you some perspective, I forwarded some of my mail, post spam processing, to gmail for 3 weeks to try it out. I'm already at 500 MB of mail (that I need to keep.) 1GB is not nearly enough.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25, 2004 @12:27PM (#9794815)
    Gmail's interface could wash my panties and it doesn't matter because Google isn't available to me and millions of other potential users.
  • by WoodstockJeff ( 568111 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @12:43PM (#9794919) Homepage
    not mentioned in this review ... the Indian rediffmail.

    Probably because it is blocked in many places. I know that our servers routinely block anything from this domain, because it is mostly spam.

    Granted, only about 1 in 100 spam messages we've received claiming to be one of the rediffmail domains has actually come from a rediffmail server. But the messages that were really from rediffmail were directed at long-inactive email accounts, and several spam traps. We do not have a block against their servers, but the from address better be on one of our whitelists, or it will be "soft bounced" until we can find out from the recipient if it should be passed through.

    This is all subject to change when/if they publish SPF records [slashdot.org] for their domain, but I certainly wouldn't use an rediffmail account for anything you want delivered...

  • by harmonica ( 29841 ) on Sunday July 25, 2004 @03:29PM (#9795784)
    I agree that the archive search feature is terrific.

    However, Google Groups is far inferior to any decent newsreader when it comes to quickly browsing articles. GG still can't deal with a lot of character encodings outside of pure ASCII. Its beta Google Groups 2 service creates postings with screwed-up headers.

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