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Behind The Coolest Gadgets - Linux or Windows? 178

An anonymous reader submits "Sister sites LinuxDevices and WindowsForDevices have kicked off what they're calling the Great Embedded Device Smack-Down, to see whether Linux or Windows Embedded powers the best and coolest devices. The Smackdown highlights more than 350 gadgets in nine categories, along with some entertaining "pre-game commentary" featuring the latest market share figures for the two OSes and a whacky clipart image of Stone Cold Bill Gates taking on The Tux."
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Behind The Coolest Gadgets - Linux or Windows?

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  • by csoto ( 220540 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @01:54PM (#9823009)
    Our old TS models are great, but the new ACS are even better. Darn easy to use, and rock solid.

    They run Linux, BTW...
  • DRM... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anita Coney ( 648748 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @01:57PM (#9823038) Homepage
    If it runs Microsoft's software, then it necessarily has some sort of DRM on it. Thus, I'd have to favor Linux.
  • by gmuslera ( 3436 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @01:58PM (#9823054) Homepage Journal
    ... in whatever device that don't have a complex user interaction. The site have more windows devices in PDA, tablets and thin clients where the user could find comfortable using the same interface as in his desktop. But where that interface doesn't matter, Linux should win hands down.

    After all, linux don't have price by quantity (i.e. for devices where price matters is a big advantage), could be use with no x86 processors, could be tweaked for supporting better the surrounding hardware and could require a lot less hardware/memory/etc.

    Anyway, is weird that in the listing they don't put Linux thin clients and terminals, maybe is because almost anything that boots linux and X could work as one, so the market could not be so attractive.

  • by YetAnotherName ( 168064 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @01:59PM (#9823067) Homepage
    MacSense [macsense.com] makes the "iPod for the home", in the form of their HomePod. It doesn't run MacOS; it runs Linux and Java (J9).

    More info at GlooLabs [gloolabs.com].
  • Palm? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ucblockhead ( 63650 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:00PM (#9823080) Homepage Journal
    I find it interesting that PalmOS is not even mentioned in the "PDA" category. Is it truly dead?
  • by craqboy ( 588418 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:01PM (#9823100)
    if the sites are hosted on the corrosponding OS then they are both showing a lot of hurt right now.

    fucking slashdotters :)

  • Fair and impartial (Score:2, Interesting)

    by crapnutassneck ( 243159 ) * on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:05PM (#9823140) Homepage
    I am sure that linuxdevices.com will be really fair and impartial in a debate over Linux devices. How much credibility would we all be giving it if it came from Microsoft?
  • Re:MacOS? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by K-Man ( 4117 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:05PM (#9823149)
    iPod runs an embedded OS, as does the Airport Express (Broadcom chipset, I believe, with Linux, like Linksys routers). Apple seems to have more embedded OS's than regular ones.
  • Re:Palm? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by solive1 ( 799249 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:06PM (#9823163)
    Well, I do believe this is a Linux gadget vs. Windows gadget article. PalmOS doesn't fit into either of those two categories, therefore its exclusion. (I tried checking the article again to make sure it didn't say something to the contrary, but it seems that it has already been /.ed.)
  • Sharp Zaurus? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Spyro VII ( 666885 ) <.spyro. .at. .spyrius.com.> on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:10PM (#9823197)
    Well, I haven't read the article yet (and by the looks of things I won't be doing it either), but offhand the only thing that I have to say is that I've never seen a Pocket PC that can stack up to the Zaurus line of handhelds made by Sharp, on either the coolness factor or the gadget factor.

    It will be interesting seeing how they weighed the Pocket PC PDAs against the Linux ones, and how the fact that a number of iPaqs can be ran with either PPC or some kind of Linux.
  • Garmin GPS (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Mateito ( 746185 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:12PM (#9823216) Homepage
    I so seriously want one of these [garmin.com] that I had to let my fiancee by both a new pair of shoes and a new watch.

    No idea what OS it runs, tho, but I'd be interested if anybody knows.

  • by carlmenezes ( 204187 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:25PM (#9823354) Homepage
    Looking at the direction mobile phones are moving, I think it's a pretty good possibility that the the PDA, handhelds and Audio/Video Devices of the future will essentially be mobiles phones with these features.

    Adding up the counts in those categories we have :

    Linux : 38+17+36 = 91
    Windows: 74+24+8 = 106

    If you add in the "other" category, you have :

    Linux : 91+38=134
    Windows:106+22=128

    Either way, it's really close, except for one thing - the future trend and the contributions made back to the OSS community as a result of the devices that use Linux.

    The thing is, as more of these devices are released, more code and/or documentation and bugfixes will be released by companies back to the OSS community because they will be using many OSS tools in the development of these products, improving them if necessary in the process and finally releasing some of the improvements to the OSS community.

    This will make it easier for more companies to re-use OSS tools and software and we have a potential cascade effect that could create a very wide development base for embedded Linux devices.

    On the windows side, the situation is not the same - companies usually don't release their any portion of their code into a "public pool" for use by the community.

    This essentially means, that while the numbers are an even split now, it looks like the Linux numbers will grow faster than the Windows numbers.

    Now, also remember that with the devices comes whatever the devices are connected to - namely PCs, Macs and the like. Therefore, at the very minimum, this could lead to a much better awareness of the Linux OS. What follows awareness is usually curiosity - and since Linux is a quality product, curiosity can only be a good thing.

    Therefore, I'd just say that although the numbers are an even split now, they actually represent the success of Linux in the embedded devices market and given time, this will seep into the desktop and that will be a good thing. Competition always is.
  • Re:Sharp Zaurus? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TrevorDoom ( 228025 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:35PM (#9823473) Homepage
    As I've owned a Zaurus 5500 [sharp.co.uk], Tungsten T3 [palmone.com], and currently own a HP iPAQ 4155 [hp.com], I definately have to give the "coolness," "gadget," and "power" to the iPAQ hands down.

    User replaceable battery (one of the issues with the Tungsten), 400 MHz XScale processor (whole lot more powerful than the 5500), integrated Bluetooth (more than the Zaurus has) and WiFi (more than the T3 has) and with a couple of third-party apps to "fix" the annoying things about the Pocket PC operating system I'm most definately in love with this iPAQ...

    I'm sorry, the handwriting recognition on the Zaurus sucks (Decuma OnSpot for PocketPC, OTOH is able to decypher my hardly intelligable chicken-scratch) and my fingers are fat enough that trying to use the thumb keyboard is annoying at best. WiFi, while not essential in a PDA, is damn nice (access to the fileshares on the Windows network at work while doing things where a laptop isn't readily accessable but I'm in WiFi range is schweet) and gives me the ability to use Pocket Putty to ssh into my fileserver at home while sitting on the couch.

    The Zaurus has a cool "geek" factor, but really, I got tired of the shitty quality of the PIM apps and fighting with the device to try and get it to sync got old after about 3 weeks.
  • Re:DRM... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anita Coney ( 648748 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:36PM (#9823494) Homepage
    If it can play back DRM files, then it necessarily has DRM on it. I hate to say it, but DUH!!!

    And of course SOME Linux devices will have DRM on them, but not all of them will. Microsoft is in the DRM business, then it will bundle DRM at every opportunity it gets. While the decision to include DRM in a Linux device will be made by the individual OEM.

    Thus, with a Microsoft derived product, you will get DRM. With a Linux derived product, you might get DRM. I'll take my chances with might.

  • by Wateshay ( 122749 ) <bill@nagel.gmail@com> on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:37PM (#9823512) Homepage Journal
    Game over. Next contest...
  • by solive1 ( 799249 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @02:37PM (#9823520)
    Well, I can't comment on what other devices use MacOS, but, as far as I know PalmOS is just on PDAs and isn't really a desktop OS ported to other devices. Also, iPod (as I've been reading) doesn't even use an OS designed by Apple. Maybe that's why they were excluded.
  • Re:Weird... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by woobieman29 ( 593880 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @06:01PM (#9825903)
    Very odd indeed.... Especially since at least three of the vendors listed on the Windows side (Wyse, Neoware and Maxspeed) all have Linux products that are almost identical hardware-wise to the Windows offerings. Maxspeed's 3xxx series Linux TC's are built with the exact same VIA EPIA board, and supporting hardware as the 5xxx series Windows CE and 8xxx series Windows XP boxes - the *only* difference is the OS image on the bootable Compact Flash media. You can change OS's on these TC's by simply shutting the unit down and swapping the Compact Flash card, or re-flashing the unit.

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