KDE 3.3 Officially Released 492
scorp1us was one of several to note that KDE 3.3 has been released. You can also read the infopage and the requirements. Commence downloading. Features a new spell checking library, a new theme manager, and much more.
EAT ME (Score:0, Insightful)
* 2 c. ham, diced
* 3 c. flour
* 3 tbsp. sugar
* 3 eggs
* 1/2 c. shortening
* 1/8 c. milk
* 1 lb. sweet sausage
* 2 lbs. ricotta
* 1 sm. Mozzarella, cut into sm. pieces
* 1/4 c. grated cheese
* 1/4 c. chopped parsley
* 4 raw eggs (additional)
* 1 tsp. salt
* 1/4 tsp. black pepper
Mix the flour and sugar together. Make a well in the center, add the 3 eggs, shortening and milk, mixing together until dough is easy to handle. Divide in half; roll out one portion and fit into 9x13 inch baking pan. Cover other half until later. Parboil sausage 8 minutes and cut into small pieces. Mix sausage with remainder of ingredients and spread in crust. Roll out remaining dough and fit on top of mixture. Seal edges; cut slit in top. Bake for 45-60 minutes in preheated 350 degree oven until crust is golden brown. Cool slightly before serving. Brush tops with a mixture of 1 well-beaten egg and 1 tablespoon of milk; this will make the crust shiny.
Re:Kool! (Score:3, Insightful)
If they come up with something totally new, they get slammed for a steep learning curve. Reviewers go on tirades and whitepapers are written about how the TCO is too high because of the training necessary, etc.
Keeping an interface similar allows for an easier migration of people who've been using Windows for years (office people). Thus, less training is needed and the migration costs are lower.
This might be nice... (Score:4, Insightful)
For the more cautious/paranoid folks out there, when can we expect the distros to package 3.3 officially?
As always, thanks to the KDE folks for continually updating and improving the software.
Re:Kool! (Score:2, Insightful)
Lower than going through all the BS it takes to install these things? I don't think so.
"If they come up with something totally new, they get slammed for a steep learning curve. Reviewers go on tirades and whitepapers are written about how the TCO is too high because of the training necessary, etc."
These are very valid 'bitches'. You're not helping anybody by trying to play them down. Complex software and needlessly complex software are to very different things. Most of Linux and related software very neatly falls into the needlessly complex category, and there will ALWAYS be bitching about it until the community actually gets their act together and does something about it.
Re:Yaay KDE! (Score:2, Insightful)
As in "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade".
It works fine for me.
Re:The spell khekers broken (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Spell Check? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:This might be nice... (Score:5, Insightful)
great... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Kool! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Yaay KDE! (Score:1, Insightful)
christ almighty (Score:1, Insightful)
You mean just like slackware and most other distros? You gentoo turds really are annoying.
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Re:Kool! (Score:2, Insightful)
Okay, I like changing some browser settings occasionally. But do I really need an entire in Konqueror's settings dedicated to which SSLv2 and SSLv3 ciphers to use? No, I don't. This is something I don't expect 99% of KDE's users to be using at any point; it should be dumped into a configuration file somewhere. If you have no use for it, it's not cluttering up the interface. If you need to change it, you still can without modifying the source. Does every folder in the bookmarks menu need three separate items at the bottom, "Add Bookmark," "Bookmark Tabs as Folder," and "New Bookmark Folder?" Absolutely not. These are contextual items that belong in the context menu. The functionality can still be there without being in the way. See what I'm saying here?
I'll be the first to admit that I do really like some of KDE's flexibility. Enabling desktop sharing and letting users share their own files via the control panel is a great idea. Basic niceties like theme switching belongs there. But most of the cruft can be very safely shaved off. There's no better example of needless interface bloat than the giant, bloated, unnavigable mess called KControl. Launch feedback? Who cares enough to change that? Caching folders for "Quick Copy & Move"? The environment should be watching the user's habits and transparently adjusting this setting accordingly.
I think KDE is amazing technologically, but it's losing badly where it counts -- usability. GNOME understands that to develop a solid platform, you need developers, and to attract developers, you need users to develop for. They're inching closer together in both regards with each release, which I think is fantastic -- the ability to learn from one another and take advantage of another project's strengths is stronger in the open-source movement than anywhere. Many of its assets are downplayed, like DCOP and KParts, while exaggerating its flaws (memory usage, speed, and so forth), but it's silly to ignore what problems it does have just for mindless fanboyism. I'm looking forward greatly to a complete rearchitecting of the UI at some point in the future, hopefully this will be a priority by KDE 4 and its technology will truly shine.
Re:KDE vs. GNOME (Score:2, Insightful)
You are both correct, but talking past each-other. It is in fact hard to market a commercial product under the GPL because you risk competing with a gratis fork of your own work. But the QT license doesn't care about gratis/commercial, only libre/closed.
Re:it happend (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Kool! (Score:3, Insightful)
Me.
I'll be the first to admit that I do really like some of KDE's flexibility
You like some of the flexibility, another user likes another part of the flexibility, another user thinks the parts you regard as flexibility is useless crap. This is just as stupid an argument as saying most users only need 10% of the features that MS Office has. True but obviously flawed since everyone uses a different set of features.
That said I'd have no problem moving some of the more obscure features to a GConf like system. I think that is actually a planned feature for KDE4.
Re:Spell Check? (Score:4, Insightful)
unmount^H^H^H^H^H^Hmount
or in the best case
un^Hmount
Re:Yaay KDE! (Score:2, Insightful)
Now how is anyone not familier with KDE supposed to know what those applications do? Do they just throw a bunch of letters together or something?
Re:Yaay KDE! (Score:4, Insightful)
No, they don't (Score:3, Insightful)
No, they don't. When something new and cool comes up, it's praised. That's pretty much describing the Linux kernel right there.
Reviewers go on tirades and whitepapers are written about how the TCO is too high because of the training necessary, etc.
That's a bit misleading. The TCO arguments have to do with server and network administration, not desktop Linux (i.e., KDE/GNOME).
As far as desktop reviewers, they go on tirades because often the applications are superficially easy to use, and they look familiar because of the ripped-off Microsoft interfaces, but because Linux and XFree86 are very fundamentally different under the hood, things happen that you don't expect, or you have to do things in weird ways that contradict the interface.
Keeping an interface similar allows for an easier migration of people who've been using Windows for years (office people). Thus, less training is needed and the migration costs are lower.
No, what it does is make Linux on the desktop a cheap Windows clone, but worse because it's only a superficial imitation. Too many things about Linux are different from Windows. I really don't understand why people don't attempt to come up with something new [y-windows.org]. If the creative designers of Linux came up with something intuitive and creative like OS X but with a unique interface paradigm, Linux on the desktop would have its own identity. Right now, it has about 20 conflicting identities all trying to look like a certain other big identity which most Linux users hate anyway.
Honestly, I've never seen any attempts to infuse something new, cool, and creative into desktop Linux. It's always, "Windows has a taskbar? Well, we'll have a taskbar you can move all around and add applets to and put pointless system monitors on!" "Windows has an integrated filesystem/HTML browser? We'll have one with endless sidetabs and buttons and toolbar icons!" "Windows has a start menu? We'll have a start menu with a hundred menu items with redundancies like 'System' and 'Preferences' and 'Control Panel' as well as pointless subgroups called 'More Programs'"!
I don't get it.
Re:KDE vs. GNOME (Score:5, Insightful)
[KDE] is not the best for developers since they cannot create commercial application for it without paying TrollTech. I wonder how tyrannical Microsoft would be if they would ask you to pay them for using Window Forms, Win32 API, WTL, MFC, or any other API they have. Not everyone wants to create GPL applications, nor do they want to pay the TrollTech tax.
Two things:
* You don't pay to use the various Windows APIs, you pay to use Windows. That's the product they sell. The APIs are the incentive to use it. Trolltech's product is QT. That's how they actually make that pesky money that lets them have the GPL version.
* If you're doing commercial software development, you expect to pay to do it. It's just like any other business. The cost of buying computers, dev tools, office chairs, etc. are trivial in comparison to big costs like salaries, office space and bandwidth, not to mention the income you expect to make from selling the product.
Re:Is it smaller? Or faster? (Score:4, Insightful)
If all you need is a barebones window manager, then by all means stick with FluxBox. But some of us want applications to go with it...
Seriously, FluxBox is just a window manager. A window manager (KWin) is only one small part of KDE. You also have a panel which can hold a task manager, applets, systray, subpanels, etc. And a desktop (e.g., smart root window). And a file manager / webbrowser integrated into everything. Easy to edit menus with icons. Drag and drop from anywhere to anywhere. Complete network transparency and flexible IO protocols. Complete development toolkit for the hacker in you. Loads of eye candy. Etc, etc, etc.
That's without getting into the bundled applications. It may be more than you need, but you cannot claim that FluxBox fills the same ecological niche. That's like claiming Honda automobiles are too expensive and heavy so you're going to ride a Scwinn bycicle instead. There's nothing wrong with bicycles but don't pretend they serve the same purpose as cars.
BTW, you don't have to install all of KDE in order to use KDE. Just install kdelibs and kdebase and you'll still have the full desktop.
Re:Yaay KDE! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:KDE vs. GNOME (Score:3, Insightful)
So where lies the difference?
Re:As I type emerge -uD kde (Score:3, Insightful)
The problem is that MacOSX and Gnome is optimized for "usability studies", i.e. they put a beginner in front of the computer and test it for half an hour.
That way you get a desktop that's great for the first half-hour of use but sucks in day-to-day operation for the rest of your computer-using life.
KDE on the other hand offers defaults targetted at the beginner (which is good) but still allows the advanced user to configure (which is great).
Yes I've tried MacOSX, too. And yes, the first half-hour was indeed impressing. I've no doubst that MacOSX/Gnome will beat KDE in "usability studies", in day-to-day work, however KDE is miles ahead of both.
Re:Yaay KDE! (Score:3, Insightful)
So, how much time have I "wasted" compiling KDE? If you include the time it took to update the portage cache and enter the commands, about 5 minutes total. I don't waste any time compiling, since it compiles when I wouldn't be using the computer in the first place! When I get back home, I will have fully functional KDE3.3 ready for use.
I'm getting tired of all the Debian-folks whining about Gentoo. Could it be that they are afraid of something? Considering the number of users who have moved from Debian to Gentoo, maybe they should be? I moved from Debian to Gentoo, and I think Debian is a kick-ass distro. I just like Gentoo better. But for some reason it seems that while Gentoo-users often appreciate Debian, Debian-users have this weird urge to flame Gentoo. Are the Debian-users afraid that Gentoo is going to steal their thunder or something?
Re:Did they fix the memory leaks too? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Yaay KDE! (Score:3, Insightful)
All these years later and we're still waiting for something useful in GCC. *sigh* It would make a huge difference and would surely be an incredibly popular thing that massive tangible benefits that everybody would notice and enjoy.