Will Google Launch A Browser? 984
ServeYourWorld writes "The
New York Post is reporting that 'Based on the half-dozen hires in recent
weeks, Google appears to be planning to launch its own Web browser and other software
products to challenge Microsoft.' I took a guess and did a whois search for Gbrowser.com
and indeed Google Inc. is listed as the registrar."
Re:Let me guess: (Score:5, Informative)
Opera already does that if you enable the Google TextAds feature... with Google, no less.
Re:Let me guess: (Score:3, Informative)
gbrowser image browser (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Let me guess: (Score:5, Informative)
This totally fits with Google's recent hires... (Score:5, Informative)
Dear PATIK (Score:3, Informative)
Even Netscape 4 sent everywhere you surfed to a central server, although of course not with the purpose of serving ads. Remember "What's Related?"
-Letter
Re:Open Source? (Score:1, Informative)
Kottle: The Google Browser (Score:3, Informative)
May be a gecko browser (Score:2, Informative)
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22657
Interesting eh?
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text of link as it won't allow clickthrough (Score:3, Informative)
I seen this idea mentioned a while back on Slashdot and thought it'd be worth
sharing here.
Today I'd say that Google is a much bigger name than Mozilla or even Netscape
however, like Netscape, Microsoft currently has their eye on Google and they
want to make MSN Search as popular as Google is now. Google shouldn't make the
same mistake as many other competitors and wait until they're rapidly losing
market share before reacting, they need to act now and doing so could benefit
both Google and the marketshare of Mozilla.
I'd not be surprised if the version of IE shipped with Longhorn would have an
MSN Search toolbar so similar to the Google Toolbar and perhaps even modified IE
so that the Google Toolbar wouldn't work.
However, if Google were to actively promote a Google branded version of Mozilla
(Firebird would probably be the best to use) which at the bare minimum just
included all the current Google toolbar functionality (bug 218126) and promoted
it (features like tabbed browsing, type ahead find would be features that set it
above the normal Google toolbar for IE) this would see an increased usage of
Gecko based browsers, and would get Google users used to the concept of
downloading a new browser before MS cuts off their air supply.
Of course I'd hope Google would do one better and make the Google browser more
than just Firebird with a tacked on toolbar, it'd be good to see it take
advantage of the toolbar customisation features in the toolkit so that if you
don't want the entire toolbar you can drag just what you do want to wherever on
the other toolbars you prefer. I do think a separate toolbar download should be
provided too for those that prefer to use the Mozilla.org (or other
distributors) builds.
Features like tabbed browsing would be an excellent companion to any regular
Google users toolbox, being able to launch search links in background tabs is an
invaluable feature. Eventually once most people prefer downloading the Google
browser, the Google toolbar for IE can be phased out to save development costs.
Google could take this marketing idea further and offer customised versions of
the browser for ISP's that wanted to use their own branded search pages that
were powered by Google (e.g. search.netscape.com)
Advantages for Mozilla.org:
1) Increased market share for Gecko based browsers due to promotion by one of
the best known names online
2) People's base expectations of what a web browser has to offer will be raised
above the current bar set by IE
3) A higher percentage of Gecko users will means webmasters can't ignore
standards compliant browsers anymore which will benefit all Gecko uses whether
they use the Mozilla.org builds, Google builds, Netscape 7.x, etc
Advantages for Google:
1) They're not relying on Microsoft to not break the Google toolbar
functionality in future versions of IE
2) They don't have to tie people who want Google Toolbar functionality to Windows
Advantages for IE users:
1) They're more likely to hear about better alternatives to IE either through
Google or their Google using friends.
2) Even if they still choose to use IE then no doubt Microsoft will be more
likely to improve their product if they see their market share declining
------- Additional Comment #1 From David Hallowell 2003-11-23 06:05 PDT [reply] -------
After doing a Google search for 'Google Browser'
(http://www.google.com/search?q=Google+b rowser&sou rceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0)
I found a blog posting by Simon Willison
(http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/0 7/17/theGo ogleBrowser) which credits the
idea to Anil Dash (http://www.dashes.com/anil/index.php?archives/006 726.php)
Bart, is this something Mozilla Marketing think is worth following up with? I
think
Re:Let me guess: (Score:1, Informative)
Not if you use firefox + adblock it isn't. It's really pretty quick to 'teach' adblock about the annoying stuff, after that you are back to the good old days, with more content than ads on pages...
Re:Let me guess: (Score:2, Informative)
Re:The power of G baby (Score:4, Informative)
Tempted to add some sort of joke here, but I'm shooting for "Informative" so I can get a little karma.
Re:okay, here is a theoretical question then. (Score:2, Informative)
agreed, however, if they ever become beholden to stockholders, that could all change in a heartbeat. (old man voice) I remember back when Real (as in realplayer,
Re:Let me guess: (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Sneak preview... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google Everything? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Let me guess: (Score:3, Informative)
Try searching for 'porn' on google:
Free Porn & Hot Sex - New
The #1 Sex pick of The King
XXX Free Porn here - 100% Free!
Nudes XXX
Super girls. Video and photo online
Only for you and free
Re:Let me guess: (Score:1, Informative)
Maybe someone should create a browser extension that removes cookies after closing the browser. Oh, wait..
one month ago... (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Heavy XUL hooks could make this a killer (Score:2, Informative)
XUL is a great concept, but it will be a while before it's ready to develop decent apps in.
At the moment, there are bugs preventing things as simple as an itunes style datasheet - where you can click in a field and an editbox appears for editing. Even the nearest workaround has a bug attached to it.
XUL's a great theory, but if it were as great as the hype machine says it is, we'd be seeing a crapload more XUL apps by now.
checkout http://wiki.mozilla.org/XULDev?NeilsWishlist [mozilla.org] to see some of the things XUL needs to be ready for the primetime.
Re:It would be more commendable . . . (Score:5, Informative)
Of course they delete messages. All it says in the TOS is that messages may not be deleted instantly, because it's a distributed storage system with a lot of backups.
Re:Or it's just a smart way of protecting their IP (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:1, Informative)
-last post was supposed to be anon too.. good luck this time around, br0ck
Re:Let me guess: (Score:4, Informative)
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226
Re:the article (not like ny times will be /.'ed bu (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Easy, rebrand firefox (Score:2, Informative)
"Adds a context menu link for opening a GMail compose window when clicking on mailto: links and text email addresses. Based on G-Mailto specs."
Re:Let me guess: (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Easy, rebrand firefox (Score:1, Informative)
Lynx is modern (Score:4, Informative)
Depending on the criteria you use, you could call lynx a more modern browser than IE6.
It has been developed more recently (Feb 2004 last major release)
Like every other browser in the world, results will improve if the webmaster devotes some time to it.
It works pretty well for strict xhtml.
Re:Let me guess: (Score:5, Informative)
> one popular browser's (or rending engine) tics
> and weirdness dictates how to write webpages
> like IE does now?
As a core Gecko developer, I promise you that we are committed to fixing any tics and weirdnesses that deviate from published Web standards, and this will remain true even in the unlikely event we find ourselves with a monopoly. For Web developers, this means that if they rely on bugs of ours that deviate from Web standards, then we will eventually break their content.
Because we're open source, you don't even have to trust me. If you ever feel that Mozilla.org is abusing its position, you are welcome to gather followers, fork the code and carry the project on in whatever direction you wish.
Re:Not enough g-follow thru on existing stuff (Score:3, Informative)
Eric Schmidt is a technologist. He was successful as CTO at Sun, back in the 90's when Sun was doing well. But what did he do for Novell, and what exactly has he done for Google? While he seems to understand technology and the culture that drives it, I don't see what he has done for any of these companies that is so revolutionary.
Nothing really (Score:3, Informative)
Nothing [google.com] really (rather lousy translation, but it gives an idea).
Does it matter if Google trumps MS? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Easy, rebrand firefox (Score:3, Informative)
Story is full of wrongness. (Score:2, Informative)
Mozilla is Mozilla.
Netscape is Netscape
Already, its Gmail free e-mail system gives users 100 megabytes of storage space on a remote network
Can you say 1000 megs? or 1 gig?
This story is fluff. I wonder what else "journalists" are letting slip throught the cracks.
Links is modern (Score:2, Informative)
Thus, IE 6 is not a "modern" browser.
In the same way The Strokes are not The Modern Lovers. [modernlovers.com]
Re:Let me guess: (Score:5, Informative)
pull out your tinfoil hats.
Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:4, Informative)
Could this mean KHTML on Windows? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Registered Domains Don't Mean Much (Score:1, Informative)
"Before being acquired by Google, gmail.com was a free email service offered by Garfield.com, online home of the comic strip Garfield."
Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:1, Informative)
Comment removed (Score:2, Informative)
Gmail was registered by Nostradamus ;-) (Score:2, Informative)
Google Watch - The work of a LIAR (Score:2, Informative)
Check out Google Watch Watch [google-watch-watch.org] instead.
MozRef.org (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Registered Domains Don't Mean Much (Score:2, Informative)
But will it display fonts correctly? (Score:3, Informative)
Unlike explorer which allows people to lock fonts to a small and unreadable size (of course you tick 'ignore font sizes' but it doens't ignore line heights, making it compeltely unreadble still - and even then MS has their own way to ignore that setting (just check windows update) which others have started to copy - tsk tsk )
And before utters the usual suggestion of Firefox/mozilla, no thanks - there are too many things i don't like about it - including its instance on placing its config files in "Documents and Settings"
Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:3, Informative)
Add people who have changed the default user agent in other browsers and you probably have a significant overstatement of IE6 use, a smaller overstatement of IE5 and Netscape use and large understatement of the use everything other than those two.
Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:3, Informative)
Now, I can't stand to work with it, so please don't think that I'm advocating it. But, Flash was publically standardized and released to the public for reimplementation in the middle of the lifespan of Flash 4. That's the reason for projects like Ming, and for Macromedia's competitors like Adobe to have begun to include the flash format in their own products all at the same time.
As far as open standard things that can do what Flash can do which browser vendors are implementing - other than Flash (which satisfies your criteria,) it's called SVG, and it's about halfway there. You guys haven't rushed to it at all, hence browser vendors' lackluster support. It's been around since 2001.
As far as working in Firefox but not in Mozilla, son, I hate to be the first to break it to you, but they're built from the same codebase.
I'd love to see an example of that; it defies what the Mozilla project seems to be. Did you bother to report it in Bugzilla? Did you tell anyone at irc.mozilla.org #mozillazine about it? Look, it's one thing not wanting to fix it yourself, but if the impossible is occurring, you might at least tell the project about it? I mean, trapsing through bugzilla there appears to be no such bug, and so the only person you have to blame for this not being fixed is yourself.
Anyway, when any one of you guys has to write a container, deal with polymorphism, handle large scale architectures, deal with interfaces across applications, write libraries for static or dynamic linking, then I'll manage to hold sympathy for a few two- and three-line HTML hacks which are already extremely well documented at places like The Noodle Incident [thenoodleincident.com], MeyerWeb [meyerweb.com], WaSP [wasp.org], Well-Styled, and so forth.
The things you're complaining about, even if they were as hard as you suggest, just aren't that hard. As an HTML novice but as a programmer I walked into an IRC channel, got a few good FAQ sites, read for an afternoon, and was able to write cross-browser sites afterwards. Go read Sutter's and Alexandrescu's papers about exceptions if you want to see short examples of what other people deal with silently.
Nobody makes more noise about fewer or smaller issues than the web programming community. Oh no, you have to preface a property illegally with an underscore. Shudder.