Amazing Things Your Automobile Can't Do 641
dslmodem submitted this NYT story on nifty automobile technology that isn't coming to the United States. The report suggests that legal liability is a significant reason for not offering various driver-distracting options in the U.S.
good, we don't need that crap. (Score:4, Insightful)
Glad (Score:4, Insightful)
Superflous. (Score:3, Insightful)
Tort Reform Redux (Score:5, Insightful)
1) eliminating slap suits,
2) limiting damages that individuals must pay to corporations (what's good for the goose, etc), and
3) shifting the burden of proof from the defendant to the plaintiff (same as for criminal cases).
Then I can support tort reform.
Otherwise tort reform is yet another corporate bailout.
Re:Wow... point and click parallel parking... COOL (Score:2, Insightful)
And we all know that this is 100% repeatable, don't we...
Car Insurance (Score:4, Insightful)
Another Big Reason... (Score:2, Insightful)
"Safety and security are our winning features," said Terry Sullivan, vice president of communications for OnStar, the communications system owned by General Motors and available on 50 of its models as well as those of other manufacturers.
"While customers can hear their e-mail using OnStar's Virtual Advisor service, the number that do is minuscule, in the low thousands," Mr. Sullivan said. "More telling is that 80 percent of its 2.7 million customers buy the air-bag notification system, which sends a signal to a central office when a car's air bag is deployed, to dispatch emergency services.
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Stop sueing everybody! (Score:4, Insightful)
I ride a motorcycle (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Video would be nice (Score:4, Insightful)
Instead of adding, why not remove shit ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sunny Dubey
Paranoia (Score:5, Insightful)
And another thing, I could have sworn that it was illegal in the UK to have a TV playing within view of the driver.
Gas (Score:2, Insightful)
Like fuel efficency, maybe? That *for sure* won't be coming to the US anytime soon!
Karaoke?? (Score:2, Insightful)
How about we drive, and not kill so many of us doing it.
Re:Glad (Score:1, Insightful)
I want to be Free and Safe, but if i have to choose between the two, I think I choose Freedom.
And dont bother replying to this thread, Darwin Doesn't care what you think about his law, and neither do I.
Re:Tort Reform Redux (Score:5, Insightful)
While a lot of the resulting carnage would probably be from people disabling built in safety restrictions, ultimately it's hard not to blame the company for selling something like a TV screen built-in to a car for the driver's usage. In this case the fear of lawsuits is probably helping to prevent many, many deaths due to unnecessary, distracting, potentially deadly car accessories.
More annoying than being regulated out... (Score:5, Insightful)
The one thing I *don't* want is anything that requires a monthly fee. I'm sure I could come up with some choice words about where they can stick their recurring revenue.
Lawsuits (Score:5, Insightful)
Our country has turned into a lawsuit machine. It's become too easy for Bubba to sue S&W and Coors for shooting himself in the foot after downing a 12-er or Coors Light. Who knows - he'd probably win.
Re:Tort Reform Redux (Score:3, Insightful)
Is that really a problem? Haven't heard too many egregious instances of individuals getting hit with massive judgements against them by corporations. The only ones that come to mind are the copyright infringement suits that allege zillions in damages. On the other side of the coin, however, you have individual executives who get sued by their former employers and shareholders (like the Computer Associates and Conseco guys). These suits against individuals can go into the hundreds of millions or billions of dollars, and yet are completely reasonable....
Re:Paranoia (Score:5, Insightful)
Lawsuit as the Jackpot (Score:5, Insightful)
In the old days, you worked hard, and you got ahead. IMHO, that's no longer true, for the most part. You usually can't get ahead without working hard, but 'merely' hard work is no longer sufficient. More and more, it also takes connections an luck - being in the right place at the right time with the right idea. Furthermore, simply knowing how to build the better mousetrap isn't enough either, you have to also know how to market that mousetrap, or at least license its IP.
All in all, I suspect the American Dream is getting farther and farther away, for most Americans. Is the increasing number of state-run lotteries because of legal relaxations, or is it because more people are giving up on earning their way up, and figure their odds are about as good gambling their way up? Consider lawsuits in that light...
Re:Paranoia (Score:1, Insightful)
And the average person in the US really isn't obsessed with the terror thing. The media and politicians love to talk it up but we still go to work everyday, fly in airplanes, and visit large cities.
another amazing thing that US cars cannot do (Score:1, Insightful)
now if someone can tell me how I could get a Smart Fortwo over here in California (Smart brand will be available in the US market, but selling yet another gas guzzling SUV believe it or not); their marketting dept seems to have somehow missed the point; and no, I already called dealers in Canada and Mexico (where the Fortwo will be available) and they cannot sell them to US residents without loosing their dealership;
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Re:Litigous == good?! (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps the engineers at Toyota believe that all Nipponese 3-year-olds are smarter than to run into where a car is parking, or perhaps that there will be a parent watching over a kid that is playing near the street.
I, for one, would prefer an autodrive system that could safely and reliably take some of the decision making out of the hands of the driver.
It would be great if I could just sit back and relax while my car took the most optimal route to work, avoiding crazy drivers, potholes and anyother dangers allong the way.
Yeah, and my car should fly too.
Ah well.And be powered by "Mr. Fusion"
Re:Gee, I can't figure out why this is bad... (Score:3, Insightful)
Even the heads-down navi systems that are in cars nowadays can lead to bad driving, and they're supposed to be driving aides -- providing web/email access while driving is a "Very Bad Idea".
Re:Paranoia (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Tort Reform Redux (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, who wins? The person with the most money. He always has incentive to bid higher (his cost goes to zero when he does), and he can keep bidding the longest.
Contracts with "loser pays" clauses are basically million dollar gift funds for lawyers. There's always incentive to pay more because if you win, your costs are zero.
As a deterrent to frivolous suits it sounds reasonable, but it's not.
legal liability prevents innovation (Score:2, Insightful)
Being able to sue for any cause/action comes with higher costs to everyone.
Re:Glad (Score:3, Insightful)
American drivers manage to be dangerous, even without all the fancy extras. The threat of lawsuits against manufacturers deters innovation but a lawsuit against an individual just means forwarding the bill to the insurance company. Speeding fines, parking fines, traffic violations - these are seen as normal living expenses, and most of the add-ons I've seen American drivers put on their cars are ways to avoid cops and fines.
Automatic parking, email-to-speech systems, etc, are nowhere near as dangerous as the stuff already in widespread use. I would consider it infinitely preferable for drivers to be able to get e-mail while driving than using a hand-held mobile phone.
Re:Gets rid of those #&%! kids and their socce (Score:3, Insightful)
I kinda figured they'd design so that doing something like stepping on the brake would halt the process. You know, like they do with cruise control. That way the driver could sit in the car and keep an eye out for trouble, and not be distracted by trying to maneuver the vehicle into a tight space without hitting something. Driver watches for trouble, car parks itself, everyones safer.
Granted, some people will hit the "Park" button, then start making phone calls or putting on makeup or hell, get out of the car and head into the mall and leave the empty car to park itself. I chalk those problems up to stupid people, not a stupid design.
As for your 700 cc engines and 50 mph speed limit... come vistit me in Dallas sometime. We'll make a day trip to El Paso, and along the way you'll have plenty of time to tell me how much you you enjoy driving at 50 MPH.
Re:Paranoia (Score:2, Insightful)
That should have clued you in. Americans have little experience in such things. Cut them a break, eh? Sure, lots of Americans are lacking in worldly wisdom, but you're exhibiting just that in your "oh how I do wish the silly little minds in America would grow up" attitude.
Re:Glad (Score:5, Insightful)
And the traffic cameras get you a ticket on the green.
Washington drivers are dense, but in places liek Boston, it's cutthroat, and you know what, I could deal with that because it's more predictable. Nothing is worse than someone coming to a complete stop on an entrance ramp to the Beltway.
As an unrepentant gadget freak, I don't find most of the devices appealing. It's just more grossly overpriced crap to sell you. Give me a decent stereo and my cellphone headset and I'm fine. I can see the benefits of the navigation systems, but I can function just fine without one.
Re:Superflous. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:We still don't have a lot of 'em.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Paranoia (Score:3, Insightful)
Speaking as a US citizen, I agree with you that it would be "nice" if American culture was less terror-driven, but I think it's a tad unrealistic to compare the terrorism in the UK and Spain (ignoring, perhaps, the recent train bombing in Spain) to the effects of Sept 11th. The US culture weathered the Oklahoma City bombing and the first WTC bombing in a reasonable fashion. Having four planes, the twin towers, a portion of the Pentagon, and a few other sundry buildings fall out of the sky and/or collapse is, and I'm going out on limb here, a rather more disturbing event than what Britain and Spain experienced over a few decades. I'm not saying that to lessen the experience of the other countries, but there's not a lot of historical precedent for how a people should react to terrorism of Sept 11th's magnitude.
Is it really surprising that Americans are still a tad bothered by the whole terrorism thing?
And yeah, there's just gotta be a law against drivers watching TV...
Re:Er, thanks, but no thanks (Score:2, Insightful)
It's the inconsiderateness combined with the distraction. If a call is too involving for me to drive at the right speed for I say, "Hold on." Find a parking lot or a good out of the way place to pull off to then pick the phone back up. It makes me and the other drivers on the road more comfortable. If I'm on a time constraint then it's, "Sorry I can't talk now I'm driving." If they won't get off the phone, "I'm driving and I hate having long conversations on the phone while driving, talk to you later." I also have distinctive rings for people who I would want to pick up the phone for even when driving. The average call is ignored until I get to my destination. I might make an exception to listen to the message to determine if it's important or not at the next red light.
The only near misses I've been involved in were due to those very people who have their cell phone as part of the entire driving experience.
TV with a video cut off is not anywhere near as bad as cell phones, when the video cuts off I'd imagine it's no worse than radio. I personally would love to at least have these features available in cars, the parking one seems very useful to me too. Ever have those spots that you know you can fit in but are small enough that you have to be extra careful about parking (usually because of some other idiot who is too far past or too far back from his/her meter. I fear for those other drivers myself who would 1) Do stupid things because the technology is there (such as get out of the car while it's parking) and 2) Blame the company for their own user stupidity.
Driving courses and tests need to become more rigorous to include more common sense than memorized knowledge.
"If you're having a conversation on the phone while driving that is getting really intense what would you do?" No multiple choice, just written answer, if they say, "Keep driving" they fail, one common sense answer wrong, they fail. No exceptions.
Re:Lawsuit as the Jackpot (Score:2, Insightful)
Give me a break!
Here's my 2 cents (Score:3, Insightful)
Getting hit with a Fiat would be nothing compared to a Hemi equipped Dodge 2500 truck.
Re:Paranoia (Score:2, Insightful)
Living in the U.S. all my life, I've come to the opinion that the 'average dumb-ass American' (which I am, from time to time, though I like to think that I make a worthwhile effort not to be) is just like the citizen of the Roman empire (or U.S. regional bell telephone companies).. Fat, Happy, Dumb.
The typical U.S. citizen who grew up post WWII has never 'suffered', so they are arrogant, impatient, (brain washed by the "media"), etc. Say the word radiation, they get all jittery.. 'duck and cover!'
I would generalize that those who grew up in the 1930-1940, don't have this 'personality feature'.
Perhaps this country needs a kick in the ass to bring them out of the clouds, not crippling, but.. move them out of the center of the universe. Suffer a bit, it will give you perspective.
I remember in the weeks after 11-Sep, Pres. Bush had approval rating of 90%ish. For what.. what did he do, other than maybe give a nice speech on national TV? I'm not bashing Bush, but the dumb asses who rally around the president the same way little kids hide behind their parent's when someone new comes to visit for Sunday dinner.
"Remember the Maine!"
Re:One more reason to vote for bush? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Stop sueing everybody! (Score:1, Insightful)
If you were to or kill or injure me or a member of my family playing with one of your toys, "taking personal responsibility for your actions" after the fact just isn't going to cut it.
Re:Video would be nice (Score:4, Insightful)
its those of us trying to get out of your way because you are too concerned with the tv, phone, kids, makeup to drive from point A to point B.
Re:Lawsuit as the Jackpot (Score:5, Insightful)
This Office Space philosophy smacks of wage slave desperation. There has always been a working class - and the need to claw your way up the way everyone else has, by buying a nice suit and playing golf with the boss once in awhile. Lawsuit-lotteries or no, there will always be those looking for the easy way out.
Re:good, we don't need that crap. (Score:2, Insightful)
way more americans die in traffic accidents every year than because of international terrorism. you, sir, are threat to homeland security.
Re:Video would be nice (Score:3, Insightful)
That's because the cost of lawyers is so high that it often makese sense to settle.
If you sue a company for $1000, it will cost the company more to just file a response in the court. The company might be better off just giving you the $1000 to go away (and never come back).
Re:Instead of adding, why not remove shit ? (Score:5, Insightful)
They're just TOO bright, and have become more of a "status" thing.. Much like wings, rims, and mufflers for ricers.
Re:Paranoia (Score:5, Insightful)
Notice he said nothing about "political tool"
Re:Paranoia (Score:3, Insightful)
We need a modern day analogy to Godwin's law [wikipedia.org] concerning the mention of terrorism.
TVs for the driver? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep, this is just BEGGING for a lawsuit.
Re:Paranoia (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Gets rid of those #&%! kids and their socce (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:legal liability prevents innovation (Score:4, Insightful)
and taking responsibility for your own actions is even more of a bitch.
Oh sorry, I guess that's un-American these days.
Re:Paranoia (Score:5, Insightful)
There's some good statistics on the UK's conflict with the IRA here [ulst.ac.uk]. In all, more than 3500 were killed by military and paramilitary groups between 1969 and 2001. The peak death toll was in 1972, with 479 killed--that's about three Oklahoma City bombings (168 deaths in that incident). In six consecutive years (1971 to 1976) there were more deaths due to terrorism than were killed in Oklahoma city; four additional years had terrorism-related death tolls above a hundred. Between 1969 and 2001 there were no years in which there were no IRA-related deaths in the UK.
Two members of Parliament and two British Ambassadors have been killed by the IRA, and in 1984 there was a bombing attempt directed at the Prime Minister and her cabinet.
There is evidence that the IRA received funding, weapons, and other support from Libya and from the PLO at times in its history.
That's three decades of terrorism, with hundreds of people killed in some of those years. Tens of thousands of people injured, above and beyond the thousands of deaths I've listed here. Targeted bombings of politicians and judges. Yeah, it's different from what the States experienced--but I wouldn't be so quick to say one or the other was 'less disturbing'.
How many terrorist attacks did the United States have in 2003? In 2004? The British had bombings--multiple bombings--each year, every year, for decades.
Re:Tort Reform Redux (Score:3, Insightful)
In Europe and Japan, has the result, in fact, been "carnage?"
- Alaska Jack
US bombs are OK (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:legal liability prevents innovation (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:US bombs are OK (Score:1, Insightful)
I suppose next you're going to tell us that Al Quaeda is funded by Islam sympathizers who want US troops to get out of Tehran?
Re:Video would be nice (Score:1, Insightful)