Firefox 1.0 Released 1112
New Here writes "November 9 has arrived and with it comes Firefox 1.0. According to its home page, Firefox empowers you to browse faster, more safely, and more efficiently than with any other browser. I'm New Here, but this Firefox does sound very promising! Firefox 1.0 is available now for Windows, Linux, and Mac from the mozilla.org ftp server."
Please tell me (Score:3, Interesting)
Google hosted homepage (Score:5, Interesting)
Yay (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Google hosted homepage (Score:4, Interesting)
More Links (Score:4, Interesting)
I've posted some more interesting news and Mozilla developer blog links and a screenshot of the new Firefox Google search interface on my blog:
inside aebrahim's head - firefox 1.0 is here! [ebrahim.org]
Rendering slashdot (Score:4, Interesting)
Has anyone else seen Firefox render slashdot incorrectly?
It can usually be fixed with a simple click of the reload button (F5).
Next, SVG (Score:5, Interesting)
Next desire, native SVG [mozilla.org] support so FireFox wins the enterprise space before Longhorn even gets to market.
We have two years.
Re:More like pre-slashdotted.... (Score:3, Interesting)
On Slashdot.jp, Firefox 1.0 Official Release [slashdot.jp] is posted on 2004-11-09 18:54 JST.
It's more than three hours earlyier.
Re:Mirrors (Score:4, Interesting)
His site seems to be holding up under the stress.
He has Optimized Release Builds of FireFox 1.0 [www.moox.ws]
I'm still waiting for 1.0 with SVG.
Anyone?
Re:New York Times Ad (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh, and not directly related, but from MSFT site:
Dear Mozilla team, (Score:3, Interesting)
Here's to an excellent release that shows what the power of open source and community effort can really accomplish. Well done!
Re:Please tell me (Score:5, Interesting)
Get Chatzilla then?
Will integrate nicely with Firefox and doing that will still avoid a lot of cruft in the Mozilla Suite.
Hide and Merge the sidebar? (Score:4, Interesting)
In Mozilla, you could hide the sidebar by clicking in the middle of the edge of the sidebar. In Firefox they removed that and now to close the bar you have to click on the X
similar to how IE handles them. It also seems that you cannot merge sidebars, such as the history and favorites, so you can't view them both at the same time.
Is there a theme or a way to return that functionality in firefox short of rewriting the whole thing?
Re:Please tell me (Score:4, Interesting)
I have 1.5 GB in my machine now so I don't really care much about 250 - 300 MB that the two can take up combined under heavy usage.
Re:Next, SVG (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Please tell me (Score:3, Interesting)
When I installed Mandrake Linux, I was disappointed to find that Mozilla took 5-10 seconds to load. It was also very sluggish to respond, a noticable pause every time I clicked a link. My friend who also uses the laptop called it ususable and asked me to please install Windows again, security be damned.
Konqueror was faster, but I have never been as attached to it as I was to Netscape/Mozilla. So I downloaded Firefox. Takes less space on drive and in memory, starts in one second, very snappy response when loading pages. Both me and friend very happy with computer now.
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Re:New Here's posting record is fanastic (Score:3, Interesting)
Take the "5 days with Firefox" challenge (Score:5, Interesting)
- Read the "Why Use Firefox? [mozilla.org]" document
- Go download [spreadfirefox.com] Firefox and install it
- Use Firefox as you default browser for 5 days
- If, after 5 days, you're still not convinced that Firefox is the best browser there is, uninstall it [texturizer.net] and switch back
(From an original idea on Spread Firefox [spreadfirefox.com], but the site is -surprise!- currently unreachable)Re:1.0 right now (Score:4, Interesting)
Now be sure to change your web pages to detect non-Firefox browsers (or at least non-IE) and encourage them to upgrade to Firefox. I've documented the basic technique here: How to detect Firefox [ericgiguere.com] and See the headers you're sending [ericgiguere.com].
EricWhy the Vioxx recall reduced spam [ericgiguere.com] (humor)
Re:1.0 right now (Score:1, Interesting)
WebmailCompose
X
TabbrowserPreferences
FlowingTabs
downTHEMall
Then it searches for updates. Crashes. Restart and do over. Finds an update for WebmailCompose. That's it. So I guess I'm SOL. What a great browser. The best, Jerry, the best. PFFFT!
Re:Please tell me (Score:4, Interesting)
Mozilla supports both of these (at least 1.7.3 does, I don't know about any earlier version).
Bookmarks better defined
Possibly, even though I can't see much of a difference myself.
Firefox looks nice, I was able to import all of my settings from Mozilla. Unfortunately, Thunderbird doesn't seem to have a similar import function from Mozilla Mail (why would this be so difficult to implement? They seem to have one from Outlook to Thunderbird).
Re:Mirrors (Score:5, Interesting)
We're not trying to slam you, we're not trying to rape you with popups or redirects. Just happen to have our name mentioned in the URL. Your choice if you'd want to use our services. I feel this is very similar to a sourceforge mirror of download links. You choose a mirror, the company happens to be listed on the left. They don't do anything except sit there with their name.
I totally agree on the 'free ipod' and 'free lcd monitor' bit -- I don't agree with those MLM schemes
Also btw, -- if I'd chosen to use my personal blog URL -- HornyandConfused.com [hornyandconfused.com] instead of 100BigCoupons.com [100bigcoupons.com] You would've thought I was advertising a porn site instead
I'm open to suggestions as to how we could better give back to the open source community with our spare bandwidth. We've contacted numerous open source projects and offered to be mirrors, but most everyone seems to have plenty of bandwidth now adays -- the only place I see is when there's an occasional slashdot story that links to a site that got hit hard.
Where is Preferences? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Please tell me (Score:3, Interesting)
Early on, Firefox used to seem very light, but lately it hasn't seemed any lighter than regular Mozilla.
Anyone seen this yet? (Score:5, Interesting)
Die, MSN, die!
Re:Please tell me (Score:5, Interesting)
Now, what I want (among other things) is:
- Clicking on bookmark link opens link in new tab.
- Ability to scroll the tab bar, so that when I have 50 or so tabs open, I can see the ones on the right-hand side.
- Have a download queue, so that only two or three files are downloading at once. Also, save the queue across sessions.
- Saving file saves to file hierarchy based on link name (yes, I am one of those people who saves files to, for example, "basedir/http/207.200.85.49/pub/mozilla.org/firef
o x/releases/1.0/source/firefox-1.0-source.tar.bz2") . And, finally, - Can display mangled HTML (e.g., Slashdot pages) in a somewhat reasonable way (without having to type ^+ ^0 each time).
There are other things that I would like, but those will do for a start.Re:Too bad it runs like ass on my computer. (Score:4, Interesting)
mine smokes.
Re:Please tell me (Score:5, Interesting)
It's more standards compliant, which allows me, as a developer to write more standards based code, *then* use workarounds for stuff which IE doesn't like. That said, IE still handles crazy markup without crashing or other artifacts (see firefox/slashdot rendering bug). Security wise, it's supposedly a lot better becuase it doesn't have deep ties into the OS.
Top seller for me? I can put it on my USB drive and transfer it to the harddrive and it'll work, even on machines when I don't have admin rights (and aren't insanely tied down). I also can't live without tabbed browsing, and mouse gestures (an extension).
What differentiates it from the stock mozilla browser? Well, Firefox is now the flagship browser from Mozilla.org and I wouldn't be suprised if they don't end-of-life the stock mozilla (technically called seamonkey IIRC?), so Firefox is the one with the future. I've been testing Firefox since their very early betas (.3 0.4?) and it replaced seamonkey on my desktop around
Re:Please tell me (Score:4, Interesting)
My imap server only gives me a small amount of space for my email folders. When I start deleting stuff the deletion often only commits when I shut down the mail app. With Mozilla, that might be hours later because I don't want to lost my web sessions. I can restart Thunderbird without touching Firefox.
Also, if one app crashes it won't take down the other. Crashes are pretty rare now, but when they happen it's still pretty annoying.
Finally, it seems like more work (on the UI and extensions) is going into Firefox than Mozilla, so I might as well get on board.
Re:Next, SVG (Score:2, Interesting)
An SVG plugin is a fine solution if the enterprise is willing to allow it. But what happens if a company provides a Web app to its customers, and those customers don't allow their users to download browser plugins?
This happened at my company. We wanted to provide a map UI to our customers using SVG, but many of our customer's IT staffs (including our own, heh!) were unwilling to allow SVG plugins to be installed. We had to go with another solution.
If SVG is built natively into the browser, this isn't a problem.
Watch what Microsoft does next. (Score:2, Interesting)
If such a program does exist, I expect the following changes compared to IE 6.01 SP1:
1. Much tighter security.
2. Multi-level ad blocking (that includes blocking Flash and Shockwave animations in addition to pop-up and pop-under blocking).
3. Tabbed browsing.
4. Full Sidebar controls.
5. Totally redesigned toolbar.
6. Will only run in Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
Re:But the real question... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Next, SVG (Score:3, Interesting)
You can use SVG with IE today with an SVG plugin. Why wouldn't that be a solution for an enterprise that needs SVG support?
Adobe's SVG plugin [adobe.com] is a good solution and plenty of enterprises use it. Native support in Mozilla would be a more complete solution because
No XUL? (Score:4, Interesting)
Google XUL [google.com]
This has become my new homepage in Firefox, although I wish it was centered...
Re:Mirrors (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Next, SVG (Score:3, Interesting)
would you mind explaining why supporting SVG will allow Firefox to win the enterprise space.
1. Data driven graphics.
SVG is an XML grammar. Enterprises have just spent 5 years migrating and enabling their backoffice systems to exchange data as XML. SVG now provides an elegant way to visualize corporate data dynamically. It does this in the browser and the next generation browser is the platform that CIO's want to invest in and use.
Microsoft learnt from following SVG implementations and then "borrowed" to create their Longhorn XML graphics environment.
But Longhorn isn't available until 2007 and won't have great desktop market share until years later, even if it ships on Microsoft's schedule. Enterprise CIOs want to progress their IT now because they have business requirements they are responding to now.
SVG is available now. Mozilla will make it cross platform and enterprise IT will be liberated. So many business applications downstream of the desktop productivity apps can just work as browser apps given a state of the art graphics system.
SVG is that system; it is an XML grammar that interoperates with web standards and it is itself an open web standard.
2. Mobility
CIO's are spending on mobility now.
SVG is on smartphones and mobile devices now. It is specified by 3GPP for phones and adopted by Vodafone, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Sharp, Qualcom...
Mozilla + SVG is a story.
See also Nokia webcast (see their software strategy) [corporate-ir.net], svg.org [slashdot.org] svg developers group [yahoo.com].
Does it still garble .NET pages? (Score:2, Interesting)
That said, I puked the other day when I surfed to my new ASP.NET hosted site and Firefox couldn't handle it! The layout was screwed up, the label colors and borders were wrong, etc.
Being a developer, I understand the need to handle different clients. But do I have to create a dumbed-down version of the site for Firefox users (myself being one of them)?
Does 1.0 handle ASP.NET better that previous versions?
-A_J
(Flame on, Slashdotters. I expect nothing less. And let me preempt the "learn php" or "learn XYZ" posts: I'd love to have the time to learn every language, platform, or whatever, that is out there - but I can't. I'm not an uber-geek (OMG, I used uber-, that is so last century) and cannot, no will not, spend all of my free time in front of a computer.)
Re:Does it still garble .NET pages? (Score:3, Interesting)
Just keep in mind that Microsoft is going to create their tools to work properly ONLY with their browser. Using these tools, therefore, will risk alienating a certain percentage of users.
You have to decide if it is more important to you to use a tool which makes it easier to design websites, and therefore alienate a certain percentage of browsers, or try to create a website to satisfy the maximum number of users.
The parallel that I usually draw is I ask people, "Would you refuse to answer the phone n% of the time? If not, why treat web browsers the same way?" This helps put things into perspective.
Re:Please tell me (Score:1, Interesting)
Well that's kind of an odd thing to say because the reason that crazy markup exists is because it works in IE. Of the possible set of crazy markup, you'll find on the internet only that subset which works in IE, because if it didn't, it would be changed to where it did. The slashdot bug I believe is an actual bug in firefox, not slashdot's code.
Re:1.0 right now (Score:3, Interesting)
Can anyone clue me in as to why the googlebar can't possibly work on RC2 and 1.0 when it did on RC1?
Other projects adhere to some strict rules à la no API breakage in branch x and then comes Firefox and things break from one RC to another? What am I missing?
Re:The browser wars are back. (Score:2, Interesting)
-- more coding work for responsible developers who need to get everything working on all platforms
-- a general increase in the amount of sites who viciously flame you for using the wrong browser, even though you may have absolutely no choice in the matter (corporate requirements, screen reading technology, outdated machines, etc)
--Microsoft morons purposely coding sites only to work with Internet Explorer
--Open source Morons purposely coding sites only to work with firefox
--even less support for minority browsers (safari, web tv, etcc)
-- more bad feeling between developers
-- more crap coming down the pipe to users who must now have two browsers installed instead of one
I realize this has to happen. But I don't have to like it. "war" in any form is never any good. As the above poster said, this will be a war.
Warning about MOOX (Score:2, Interesting)
MozParty2 -- Don't forget! (Score:2, Interesting)
I'll be hosting the one for New York City. Info for that one at http://www.openforce.com/mozparty2/?party=179
Re:Please tell me (Score:3, Interesting)
I totally agree. The mess that is a lot of html is from IE leniant behavior. This has been a topic for years. Strict Java or whatever-you-want perl or c, blah, blah. Still, there should be *no* html that will crash a browser, as has been shown recently. Failing gracefully is what I want in a browser and I have every expectation that this will be fixed in the 1.0 series of Firefox.
As for the slashdot/firefox bug, it's a case of rendering spacing graphics, (a table-layout based outdated cludge), without including height/width information. Firefox renders first then "forgets" to re-render when the actual image size is know. It's also not terribly clean code. Slashdot and slashcode are notoriously ugly and bandwidth intensive. I tried to help on the effort to convert slashdot/slashcode to xhtml+css layout, but there was a mountain of work and not a particularly organized core of developers. If you guys are still out there, I'd still help if you got a website, a working CVS repo and some help from an article in
Optimized official builds? (Score:3, Interesting)
And example of releasing multiple builds would be the MAME group [mame.net].
1 sec? (Score:2, Interesting)
On my PIII,20 GB [ lots of free space ],64 MB RAM machine, firefox loads in 13 seconds.
I upgraed the RAM to 128 MB. Now it takes 10 seconds to load!
But the pages are faster though.
Re:Acoustic couplers were only 110 baud (Score:3, Interesting)
There was a discussion here recently about how buffer manipulations in C are inherently unsafe. What people forget is that many of the original C string functions didn't even take arguments for buffer protection. That historical oddity resulted from 110 baud accoustic modems connected to development systems equally capable. Back then, you appreciated not having to add extra parameters to function calls because it made life bearable in other dimensions.
I'd like to see a competition for the best engineered Java program written within a 24 hour time period over a 110 baud glass TTY to a PDP8. After reading the code that results, perhaps more people would appreciate that many historically crappy (and obscure) coding practices did not originate as conceptual errors.
Re:Too bad it runs like ass on my computer. (Score:1, Interesting)
Even though I know that it may be faster, Firefox feels slower to me. Why? Well, I think it's because (flameproof suit on) it's not using native widgets. It's hard to measure how fast a web browser is at rendering pages, but it's easy to tell when menus don't pull down as fast as you're used to, or checkboxes wait just a little bit longer to show the check. With Firefox, these things run just a little slower than other programs. Result: Firefox feels slower than even other Gecko-based browsers, even though it might actually be faster at rendering pages.
(It also doesn't help that the interface looks different, too: menus, buttons, scrollbars, file dialogs, print preview, and so forth all look different than in my other apps. It feels almost like a flashback to Xlib days, when everybody *had* to write their own buttons, and that's not the impression you want to give if you're trying to sell a program based on its interface.)
It's a shame, since I really like some of Firefox's features.
Tabbed browsing broken for 2 years (Score:3, Interesting)
OS X and Firefox (Score:1, Interesting)
torrent status: Linux vs. Windows (Score:3, Interesting)
Linux: 1.1 Gig Up
Windows: 54.7 Megs Up
Gig' Em
-Michael
Re:FP! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:FB! (Score:2, Interesting)
I can assure(maybe unassure?) you that this is not the case.
This attitude is prevalent across many development areas.
Why?
Ego.
You have to have a significant ego level to think these things can be accomplished.
I have spent the last 5 and 1/2 years in testing and test lead positions and recognize that the level of confidence required the create software from nothing is huge.
The is just unprofessional. Not atypical, but very unprofessional.
Firefox on CBC Radio (Score:2, Interesting)
I was just driving home, and the CBC Radio (am) show "As It Happens" just featured a segment on the Firefox 1.0 release. It's finally mainstream!