Public Interest Groups Face Uphill Battle at WIPO Meeting 116
Patrick Norager writes "As WIPO creates new rights for broadcasters, documents critical of these rights created by EFF and IP Justice were stolen and recovered in a bathroom trashcan." EFF has a general statement on the meeting with links for more information.
It's a "downhill battle" (Score:3, Insightful)
And cynics are, as a group, highly redundant and unoriginal.
Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:5, Insightful)
The guard at the table, protecting the documents to be heard at WIPO, seems to be a good image, but also a telling image. How long will it be before we can no longer place a guard at the table? How long before justice itself is patented by some company?Guard the table oh great EFF! I will continue to write, program and design anything I want to, IP bullshit [slashdot.org] be damned!!!
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:2, Insightful)
Strangely I have to agree with you here, and I deplore guns.
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ART
This article is old, but this is still going on.
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:2)
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:1)
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:1)
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/10/839
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:5, Funny)
It would honor the spirit of both the first and the second ammendments, and because it's an intermediate step for those who might not have or disagree with guns, it's more accessible. And the 2nd would remain untouched, so those who don't find ammendment 1.5 to be useful or satisfying could just ignore it.
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:2)
That takes power from the "98 lbs weakling", giving it to the bodybuilders. In a non-gun fight where both individuals are equal in training and equipment the heavier guy will win.
The great thing about guns is virtually every adult can use them. One shot and the bad guy is dead, and it doesn't matter who is bigger and heavier. It doesn't matter if you use a "small" .30, or a "big" .50 or more, dead is dead.
I see your point, but it fails to work because the "98lbs weakling" cannot afford to use it. The big guy infringing on the little guy's rights can punch back much harder. It may not be legal, but the big guy has already prooven his willingness to do illegal things by infringing in the first place.
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:0)
The great thing about guns is virtually every adult can use them.
You consider that a good thing? Sure, it makes things fairer if a weaker person is up against a stronger person, but it makes things a hell of a lot less safe for everyone when you consider the average person is too dumb or malicious to own guns responsibly.
If somebody breaks society's rules (the law), then it's up to society (in the form of the police and the courts) to act appropriately. The idea of vigilante justice is fundamentally unsound.
One shot and the bad guy is dead, and it doesn't matter who is bigger and heavier.
You mean "one shot and the other guy is dead. Guns kill people indiscriminately, it doesn't matter if they are in the right or the wrong.
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:1)
2. Yes, it's up to society to punish wrongdoers. But I don't want to wait for society to show up when a 300lb. crackhead tries to break into my house. Vigilantism is going after the bad guy after the crime. Shooting him on his way in is merely being proactive.
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:2)
The great thing about nuclear bombs are that even if you aim bad it will probably kill the target.
So more WMD to the poeple!
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:2)
Depends on the gun and the range. At 1 mile only the very best can get a hit, and even then luck is involved. (weather is a major factor) At 5 yards or less you just have to be pointed in the right direction and you are likely to hit a human target. If your scope is good (pre set at a range) on a rifle you should be able to kill a human at 200 yards.
If you are shooting someone at more than 5 yards it is not self defense. It might be justified, but it is not self defense.
one-word response (Score:0)
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:0)
Didn't you get the memo? These are the sort of "morals" that 51% of the population approve of...
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:5, Insightful)
This is not capitalism. Capitalism requires a system of supports and limits to keep it functioning properly. There are many roads companies can take out of capitalist competition and in order for a capitalist economy to work properly these roads must be controlled. These routes out of competition include monopoly, government corruption, poisoning of competition, displacement of expenses as well as many others. We've left these roads open and now companies that abused, lied, cheated, and bought the system are the winners. This is a horrible thing and has resulted in generations of businessmen who think that's the right way to do business instead of simply delivering the best product to the consumer you can.
Reforming this system will require us to reign in these rogue non-competing companies and limit their power. Is there an anti-corruption PAC that I could join that would tell me who of my representatives is taking money in exchange for favorable laws and would support their opponent?
Two places to start (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.opensecrets.org/ [opensecrets.org]
Re:and includes... (Score:2)
One of the more repugnant aspects of laws that allow the kinds of abuse we've seen is that if they are allowed to continue for any length of time, correcting it is next to impossible, since it will entail fighting the massive numbers of entrenched interests that have been allowed to accumulate. A trained monkey can create horrible, even destructive legal policy. Cleaning up the mess...well, that will require more than we can probably get from many of our current legislators.
Let's not forget that WE, as consumers, as humans capable of exercising various degress of discipline, hold the key as to whether or not ANY of these policies and/or practices will survive. Hint: a company can't survive long without revenue, no matter how many laws are in place to "protect" it. This will always be the ace up our sleeve- we just need to be prepared to play our hand.
Re:and includes... (Score:2)
No no no! Watch the South Park about Wallmart for a good humorous discussion of that topic. When people shop they act in their best interest, as they should. Trying to do inject some sort of ethics at the cash register is WAY too late and rarely effective.
The real power to fix these issues lies in our ability to vote. Let me be clear on this though: This power does not lie in your ability to elect someone who will do what you want and then walking away. Most people falsely believe that's what voting is all about. It's not! The power of the vote is the ability to organize, to band together, build consensus and convince whoever is in office *now* that you will vote them out of office if they don't do what you want. That's where the real power of the vote lies. Corporations know this. They wield that power to amazing effect. Do you?
If you are dissatisfied with the way things are going, never vote for the incumbent no matter how bad the challenger is. At the very least, it will make your next vote seem more important to the incumbent and make them pay more attention to your issues.
Re:and includes... (Score:2)
How is that, exactly? I could be wrong about this, but I was under the impression that corporations don't vote.
Re:and includes... (Score:2)
Corporations do vote - every time someone writes a fat check in the form of a bri^H^H^H campaign contribution. The number of and size of these contributions determine how much media penetration a candidate can expect, and this, I'd argue, has at least some impact on the way people cast their votes. All this corporate money is exactly the reason that the campaign finance reform is so vitally necessary. When you think of a candidate spending more than a hundred million dollars to get re-elected, something is very wrong.
Re:and includes... (Score:2)
When people shop, they act in their best short term interest. America has become all about short-term interest. "I want it NOW, and I want as much as I can get." The massive amounts of debt incurred by the average American is an indication as to how pervasive this mentality is, and sadly, it is only one of several. The next time you walk through a mall, a park, or other location frequented by large numbers of people take note of how many of them are overweight. Same problem, different symptom.
Trying to do inject some sort of ethics at the cash register is WAY too late and rarely effective.
It's way too late and rarely effective because few people have the will or the discipline to actually do it. Like better eating habits, it entails a lifestyle change- doing things differently, and doing that consistently.
Re:and includes... (Score:2)
Like it or not, debt is very important to the health of the economy. It's where money comes from and it is what motivates us to work. "If I don't work, I'll lose my house" is a wildly powerful economic force. It seems counter-intuitive that debt is good but look at the lifestyles of wealthy people. Now imagine a world where everyone behaved like that. We'd get no real work done. We'd all sit around enjoying our wealth. Now, don't get me wrong, I want to be one of those wealthy people, and getting rid of MY debt is good for ME but when the guy next to me has lots of debt, that's great because then I can get him to work to earn my money to keep from losing his house.
It's way too late and rarely effective because few people have the will or the discipline to actually do it.
Let me guess: You do have the will, which, in one small way, makes you a better person than most other people. It's just like better eating habits. Skinny people love to blame fat people's obvious mental inferiority (the lack of willpower or determination or whatever) for their obesity. It's the grown up's form of teasing others to make themselves feel better. Everyone does it. It's a big part of the secret to perpetual happiness: A constantly inflated sense of self worth.
Before you prop yourself up on a pedestal to separate yourself from the bourgeois masses who lack self control, try to reign in your arrogant contempt for others, unless, of course, you lack the self control to do so.
Asking people to make financial choices that are bad for their financial well being is as dumb as expecting CEO's to make business decisions that are bad for their companies. It's their job to make the decisions they make, you bet they are going to do it. Every financial decision we make has repercussions. While we can know something about some of them, (oh no, those Nike's are made by children in sweat shops) you can't know everything about all of them (uh, we aren't using the sweat shop children to make shoes anymore, now they are starving). Economies are complicated things. In the US, we happen to live in an economy where the structure of our ecnonomy enclosed companies in a great set of rules that basically made it so they could do what they do best, struggle for wealth and power, and it would benefit the general public. The problem is that, over time, they have found holes in the rules and they are now well documented and regularly exploited. Companies are now racing to move out of the crucible of competition into the lazy backwater's of monopoly, customer lock-in, exploitation and corruption. We need to plug the holes to get our companies back into honest competition for our business. Anything short of that is a weak band-aid of a temporary solution and is a distraction from the real work that needs to be done. Before you go off half cocked trying to convince people to alter their shopping habits, remember who *really* benefits from us chasing our tails in trying to solve this problem.
Re:and includes... (Score:2)
Ad hominem attacks will not transcend reality.
There are some very unfortunate trends in this culture, and no amount of rationalization will make the costs they incur disappear. You can't have it all. That's part of the human condition. People are good at deluding themselves, but only until they're forced to deal with the consequences. By then, however, the damage is done- it's matter of salvaging what's left.
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:0)
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:1)
Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (Score:4, Insightful)
!!stolen!! (Score:1)
I'm upset that they didn't put them in the recycle bin or pass them on though.
Howard Stern (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Howard Stern (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Howard Stern (Score:1)
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Re:Howard Stern (Score:1)
i abhor radio for the simple fact i can't stand commericals or the "dj's" and since both take up about 55 minutes of any given hour (and i can't stand the music on 99% of the public radio stations anyway) and that's why i happily bought an ipod almost 3 years ago now. keep it loaded up with songs and listen to it during my commute. no more radio. no more advertisements. no more annoying "dj's".
Too late... (Score:2)
On the talk and news stations, there are commercials. Of course, this is because they're rebroadcasting regular tv news, etc, so the ads are in there too. Still, they're commercials.
Now, the music? No, there aren't commercials in it exactly - well, yes there are. It seems like every couple of songs there's a "Sirius" commercial on, reminding you that you're listening to Sirius radio, or piping in stuff like "Don't forget to check out channel 146!"
No - Sirius already has commercials whether they choose to call them that or not.
Just goes... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Just goes... (Score:4, Funny)
By the way, and this has absolutely nothing to do with your recent statements, would you mind posting your home address and a recent photo here? Just so, you know, the nice folks here at GlobalMegaCorp can sent you a "Thank you" ham or something.
Re:Just goes... (Score:1)
Re:Just goes... (Score:0)
Just goes...Death of Slashdot. (Score:0)
It's not like it's my [slashdot.org] reputation you're hurting.
This just sickens me. (Score:4, Insightful)
But for the love of Jack Valenti, do it right - burn them or shred them, don't dump them behind a trash can!
Is it possible that that person wanted the documents found at the last minute to draw up controversy over this?
What if? (Score:0)
What if they did? Seriously. It's not like the EFF has the advantage. They don't have the budget their opposition has to the tune of billions of dollars. You can buy a judge for a few million or less, and it has happened before. Even if they did put the dox behind the trash themselves, they are fighting the good fight.
But I seriously doubt they would try and harm their own case just to get some notice. The EFF is not like Greenpeace or PETA. The EFF is a sensible bunch of people.
Re:What if? (Score:0)
Re:What if? (Score:1, Interesting)
True. I was assuming that. But even if someone else did it that was on the side of the EFF, I don't know if I would disagree with it. That's the kinda stuff the Liberal party does during elections in Canada (the elected party). In the early 90's the Liberals helped distribute (and possibly create) a Tory commercial that depicted the Liberal leader like he was a deformed idiot (basically it was making fun of Jean Chretien's face, which was caused by a childhood case of polio.) This triggered outrage in Canadians and forced the Tories to obtain only two seats. So it works!
There have been other double dealings since; one where the Liberal candidate and now Premier of Ontario, was depicted in an email as a kitten eater, a blatant reference to a Buffy quote. It was rumored that the Liberals helped to circulate the Tory memo in that regard too. There were other stories but those two stand out in the forefront as similar to this action, except the Liberals held a strong lead in both cases. (and the EFF doesn't have the same financial ability as the Libs)
What it comes down to is that people will do anything for power. But if the EFF doesn't have the advantage that their competitors have, I don't see a problem with them or those who support them, leveling the playing field.
Re:This just sickens me. (Score:1, Troll)
Yeah, right. And Kerry won the election. And Scott Peterson was framed. And Kobe was at home with his wife that day, not in Colorado. And O.J. Simpson was on his way to the airport thinking about how much he loved his ex-wife...
Uphill? (Score:5, Funny)
Acts of Desperation (Score:5, Insightful)
-you are a real threat
-their normal measures have not beaten you
-they are likely to make mistakes due to their "emotional" state
It is terrible that someone stole material and threw it away. And it is terrible that people's hard work has been set back. BUT, whoever did this is backed into a corner and feeling very threatened.
Re:Acts of Desperation (Score:4, Insightful)
-their normal measures have not beaten you
While this is a 'good sign', it's not really a material advantage. When facing a strong opponent that you are squaring to attack, it's generally best to be overlooked and unthreatening as long as possible... then BAM! FireFox 'em just when they think you're irrelevent!
Man that's a cool verb.
Re:Acts of Desperation (Score:1, Insightful)
-- Mohandas Ghandi.
Thanks, Redhat, for reminding us.
Re:Acts of Desperation (Score:4, Insightful)
If your enemy doesn't give a damn about such things, they will cheerfully destroy you and continue on their merry way without a backwards glance.
Re:Acts of Desperation (Score:2)
Yeah, I'm sure the EFF will win any day now. Those little, *GIGANTIC* media conglomorates sure don't stand a chance now.
This sort of incident just reflects the win-at-all-costs mentality of the dominant players, not their weakness. They'll do anything to win, and they usually do.
The EFF, on the other hand, loses. A lot. I've given them a fair amount of money over the years, and I'm very supportive of what they do, but every battle they fight is wildly lopsided and their results reflect this.
-Isaac
Drats. Foiled again! (Score:5, Funny)
Damn, I never thought they'd check the men's bathroom trashcans. Maybe I should try the women's bathroom trashcans next time.
Re:Drats. Foiled again! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Drats. Foiled again! (Score:0)
Re:Drats. Foiled again! (Score:2)
"Method for storing important documents in trash" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:"Method for storing important documents in tras (Score:1)
Would You happen to be... (Score:2)
Reminds me of me (Score:1)
They should have clicked "SHIFT-Delete" (Score:3, Funny)
Re:They should have clicked "SHIFT-Delete" (Score:1, Troll)
Re:They should have clicked "SHIFT-Delete" (Score:2)
Except that the documents were found in a trash can, NOT a recycling bin.
Obviously mac users are to blame. Clearly mac users hate our freedom!
How many? (Score:4, Funny)
Three. One to screw it in, and one to confuse the issue.
In other news... (Score:3, Funny)
No Laptop? (Score:1)
Re:No Laptop? (Score:0)
Just like the Good Old Days! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Just like the Good Old Days! (Score:2)
Re:Just like the Good Old Days! (Score:1)
Civil Disobedience Helps... (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, Internet users are saying fuck that to media corporations. TV-viewers with VCRs and Tivos (and MythTV, you arrogant linux jerks) are saying fuck that to the stupid-loud-ads-in-your face-business-model.
The more the DMCA is being used in its limitless obscurity, the more it is being struck the fuck down. The more software patents become reality, the more prior art can be claimed in open source.
The marketplace controls demand and demand always controls supply. Big bad Joe wouldn't be selling pot to 16yo kids if 16yo kids weren't buyin'.
So, basically, I'm saying to hell with these corporations trying to tell me what to do with something after I already bought it. If I wanna cut a tennis ball in half and use it as a neato door stop, fuck Wilson if they tell me that's unauthorized use. They can fuck off because I paid for the balls... actually, because I have the balls. I already have the mp3s of the songs I want (don't need any new crappy music in my collection) and they weren't available for purchase when I wanted them, and CDs don't always play right and get scratched easily, so why should I go buy the cds of said music now? Make new shit for me to buy... that is worth buying.
There's safety in numbers - especially in a Democracy that gets to vote for who's in power. Crappy laws can be removed. And guess what, media companies?! -- the majority, consequently your own customers, is already against you! So fuck off and go produce something that I will buy instead of treating me like I'm not buying enough.
If it were easier to buy a high-quality mp3 for a buck that came with a keychain or some neato bullshit like that, I wouldn't have pirated them.
So, media companies, here's how to un-piss us off:
- apologize for calling your customers criminals
- make access to media easier rather than harder
- go with the fucking marketplace flow like a good megaconglomerate
- do some market research that doesn't involve what you think you're owed
- act like the consumer has a say in what he or she buys
- quit treating idiots in masses (ie. consumers) as idiots.. we tend to get smart in numbers
- make better shit
And finally, all of you pirates that are too lazy to click twice at the EFF website, donate, or fire off a flaming letter filled with poo at your nearest corrupt government fuck, you're still doing your patriotic duty by pirating. I want to liken you to MLK's stand of civil disobedience - but that would be unfair since you're just downloading Britney Spears while the black dudes got their poor asses beat. So instead, I will just say hurrah for teen angst and continue your P2P deviations.. because you are saying a lot, no matter how ignorant the media companies want to be.
Sorry I said fuck a lot.
Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (Score:2)
I'd bet my left testicle that most people aren't downloading entire albums because they want to 'stick it to the man.'
While I suppose that it's more likely that there may be some Slashdotters that would do so to send a message to the recording industry, most music downloaders just want music but don't want to pay for it.
Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (Score:2)
There was a distinct lack of music stores which sold music I wanted to listen to in my hometown (less so, here in Atlanta) and my legal online distro channel (www.allofmp3.com) which charges less than a dollar an album (electronic delivery in any format, no DRM) doesn't have a lot of things either.
So, I use private DC hubs with people in close geographic proximity to me to find songs I simply cannot purchase.
About half of my collection is purchased music; the rest downloaded (or ripped from a free webcast thereof.)
I have approximately 6,500 songs.
Civil Disobedience Helps...My Ego. (Score:0)
There's not even a "Hey Tivo! I see what you're thinking. Don't do it man!". The letters of protest? Someone check the mens bathroom. Maybe they were stolen too?
Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (Score:2)
I think there's a proportion of downloaders who would pay, but just not to the RIAA. I'd certainly want to pay the artist directly. [slashdot.org]
--Rob
I'm getting a sense of deja vu, that strange feeling we sometimes get that we've commented on something before, that what is posted now has already been posted. I'm getting a sense of deja vu, that strange feeling we sometimes get that we've... (looks puzzled for a moment) [docweasel.com]
Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (Score:3, Interesting)
Ethan
Now apply this to indie music (Score:2)
What we need to do is use P2P and other systems to publicize independant music. It ought to be possible to create some semi-distributed music recommendation system, preferably combined with free distribution of samples. If anyone would like to work with me on this, e-mail me.
As an ad-hoc beginning, I'm currently listening to The Horse-Tamer's Daughter by Julia Ecklar [prometheus-music.com] who I highly recommend.
Definitely (Score:1)
I bought some albums by Brad Yoder [bradyoder.com] -- he's a folk-ish kind of singer so I feel guilty about liking his songs. Check out wwjd -- it's hidden in a bad place on his site but it's a great song. Brad: "I love to play this song because it makes people at both extremes upset."
Ethan
Warren Zevon records (Score:1)
Ethan
Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (Score:2)
One can use a TiVo and be an arrogant Linux jerk.
You sound like a Kevin Smith Character (Score:1)
Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (Score:1)
bathroom thrash can (Score:0)
and there were clean?
Bathroom trash can (Score:1)
What else can use a stack of papers for in the bathro-- oh my god dear no! someone think of the childern.
See I told you so! (Score:2, Funny)
You know... (Score:2)
stolen and recovered in a trashcan? (Score:3, Interesting)
Otherwise, doesn't this phrase mean that the theft itself, as well as the recovery, took place within a trashcan? (which would imply an awfully small thief, not to mention a rather unusual place to have such important documents in the first place).
[Moderation -1, Grammar Nazi]
Re:stolen and recovered in a trashcan? (Score:1)
Just my $0.02.
A letter to WIPO companies (Score:0)
In short, I have zero respect.
FUCKHEADS.
Re:A letter to WIPO companies (Score:0)
What were they thinking (Score:2)
Gosh, maybe they should take a lesson from the 1950's American Foreign Policies of trying to manipulate other peoples
Maybe it's time to go back to boycotts
The Corporation (Score:3, Interesting)
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ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20Cd2.avi|516856
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ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20e2.1.mp4|97412
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Personally with every new day I realise how the history comes back 100 years ago in some respects... The struggle of the proletariat against the capitalist opressors did not end, despite what you may have been told. It is inevitable, let's just hope we all do better this time.
What About Healthcare Information? (Score:1, Interesting)
See: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/06jun2004
Prior Art or Infringment (Score:1, Offtopic)
char * Y;
if (X != Y) {
}
The above if statement contains "A system, method and computer-readable medium support the use of a single operator that allows a comparison of two variables to determine if the two variables point to the same location in memory." (The quote is the entire abstract of the patent application.)
I'm sorry, but God needs to destroy the USPTO from space at this point.
Off Topic My Ass... (Score:2)
While the patent itself is for BASIC, the claims and abstract are quite elementary. I even *quoted* the abstract in its entirity. And doing a not-equal operation on a pair of pointers is all about finding out whether two vairables "point to the same location in memory".
In the old PC environment, with the non-flat memory model the pointers would need to be normalized (a-la the HUGE memory model), but that's about it.
So this is very much on-topic.
Re:Off Topic My Ass... (Score:2)
But it would be more on-topic if you had replied to the actual story about the IsNot patent application. Someone reading this story without having read that one would find your reply confusing.
It will be interesting to see if this patent application actually gets rejected or not by the patent office.
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
EricHow to detect Internet Explorer [ericgiguere.com]
Letter to my MP (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm writing to you on intellectual property, but this time not
specifically in Europe, but rather in the World Intellectual Property
Organization. It appears that the body is not neutrally seeking
informed democratic policy-making, but rather simply attempting to
coerce its members into accepting strong IPR. I do not believe that
this should be the way in which an international body should work,
and I would hope that our government agrees.
Below, I have extracted relevant sections from the linked webpages.
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/002130.php#
WIPO: Day 3
November 19, 2004
Today at WIPO saw a flat-out disgraceful cooking of the deliberative
process. The administrators of the meeting -- the chair and secretariat
-- are pushing hard to make this treaty pass, even if no one wants it
to. The solution to the deadlock is "regional meetings" in which
countries that oppose the treaty can be isolated and arm-twisted into
coming into line, and where few or no public-interest NGOs will be
present. Some of the most populous countries in the world -- India and
Brazil -- along with many others called for a better approach: any
region that wants a meeting can have one, but the real action would be
at an "inter-sessional meeting" held in Geneva, with all countries
represented. Even though these countries presented a solution that would
have given regional meetings to those who wanted them, the chair
steadfastly refused to hear from them -- eventually, he used a straw
poll to discard their proposal altogether, and then called it
"democracy."
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/002117.php [eff.org]
Both yesterday and again today, written statements provided by IP
Justice and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which were placed on the
table designated for floor papers, were stolen within minutes of being
deposited on the table. Additionally yesterday documents provided by the
Union for the Public Domain were also missing shortly after being placed
on the table.
This morning, many of these documents were recovered from the trash can
in the first floor men's restroom. Another set of IP Justice statements
as well as copies of the alternative NGO Proposal for a Broadcasting
Treaty were recovered from behind a desk on the ground floor. These
documents provided by IP Justice, EFF, and the Union for the Public
Domain were critical of the Broadcasting Treaty. The papers drafted by
the broadcasting industry, urging the treaty's adoption, however, remain
undisturbed on the table for floor papers.
Yours sincerely,
Re:Finally, the EFF get EFFed! (Score:0)
Re:Finally, the EFF get EFFed! (Score:0)
Re:Please Save Our Earth (Score:2)