OpenOffice.org Built with KDE and GNOME Support 299
ks writes "Novell hacker Jan Holesovsky has released a build of OOo 1.1.3 that integrates with either KDE or GNOME depending on the environment it's running in. The build features KDE/GNOME look and feel, KDE/GNOME file dialogs and the Crystal icons. If you're running NLD, you have this already." Update: 11/27 18:13 GMT by T : Also on the OpenOffice.org front, the OO.o front page links to this interview with Debian ARM developer Peter Naulls, who has ported the suite to ARM processors. Hint: they're everywhere.
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NLD? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:My my my... (Score:4, Insightful)
Another flameish troll BS-writing anonymous. Since you already saw and followed your light to the end of the tunnel, why don't you let us poor stupid others find our own ?
Your one pointed to an XP laptop with MS's Office. Thank God, this is not the only way.
Just pack your ignorance and get yourself lost.
As for KDE/GNOME integration of OO.org: I welcome it enthusiastically. Every step to make it slinker, better, faster, more = a good step.
Re:My my my... (Score:4, Insightful)
1. The entire concept of a 'Word Processor' is stupid - http://www.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html
2. If I need a database, I'll use Mysql (Or PostgresSQL, etc)
3. On the (rare) occasion that I need to arrange numbers in a table, I use Gnumeric.
Still not native GNOME or KDE (Score:1, Insightful)
The old OOo was build upon it's own Framework and Toolkit. Now with adding KDE and GNOME support to it developers have add another overkill and resource eater to OOo making it bulkier and bloddier than before.
OOo native KDE or GNOME is the right solution but this should be done untils it is done and then being announced.
Re:Nonverbal Learning Disorder (Score:2, Insightful)
What about Qt on MacOS X, then? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why not use Qt/Aqua on MacOS X instead of the incredibly clumsy X11 interface, then?
Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (Score:2, Insightful)
You've already picked OO.o, and you don't even know how it performs. What happens when they go with your ideas and switch from MS to Linux and you don't know how to support what you've suggested? They won't be impressed.
Not to be a troll, but stuff like this will only hurt adoptin of Linux. You tell them Linux is the best thing since sliced bread, they have you show them, they switch, stuff breaks, and you can't fix it. In the PHB's mind, you and Linux suck. So they go back to MS and never try Linux again.
Re:Nonverbal Learning Disorder (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (Score:3, Insightful)
I've used it in the past, and found file support spotty. It is powerful in its own right.
But thanks for the 'wake up'. Nice to know the community cares enough to ensure the very best. And I mean that.
Re:My my my... (Score:5, Insightful)
The other problem is that many word processors are very useful for those cases when the text composition isn't really important, but formatting is the key point, like a sign for my garage sale. Have you ever tried do something like that in TeX?
Don't get me wrong, I use LaTeX all the time, but only for very specific types of documents. It just doesn't work for the majority of stuff that I need to do.
Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (Score:3, Insightful)
It just sounded like you were the most Linux-savvy person at work, and if they decide to make the switch you'd better be ready. Switching to Linux is beneficial, but never easy. Everyone in the office will be asking you questions ALL day. If you don't know your distro of choice inside out as well as gnome or kde and all the dependency issues, advocating Linux isn't the best idea.
Just wait a few more months... (Score:2, Insightful)
Although I applaud the move, this will be somewhat outdone in a few months when openoffice 2.0 is released. 2.0 will support better native integration anyway, including look-and-feel.
Re:Features of interest... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:My my my... (Score:3, Insightful)
interesting idea - COMPOSITION and LAYOUT are different things!
The deficiencies of TeX not being tweakable should not be used to against for the importance of the above idea. That about that.
Re:Window Managers (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Your application has no fucking clue abotu how the user wants their windows displayed
2. Your application has as little clue about what the rest of the display is used for.
The window manager however has a bit of a clue about both, so it IS the proper place for deciding on window placement. All your application should ever try to do is give a suggestion.
Sorry to say, but if you do not udnerstand this then imo you have not understood what a windowsing system is for.
In short, when you develop for a shared gui environment (ie, the gui is also used for other things then your application) you do NOT have control over window placement, deal with it or write your own dedicated gui, it is the nature of the beast.
Re:My my my... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's a problem for Microsoft's competitors and for FOSS zealots, but not for the rest of us. I don't communicate with a single person that doesn't have MS Word (or at least WordPad). Let's not forget that if you are running Linux, you have made a choice to use something that has different features and limitations than the software that 90+% of the world uses. It is not the obligation of the vast majority to facilitate the minority - it is the other way around.
For general distribution, or to unknown recipients, you should send in something that is standard (and to be standard, it needs to be a documented format, 'DOC' fails that requirement) plain ascii text works, or if for some reason you need to control the appearance, postscript or PDF.
Plain text does not allow formatting, and PDF does not allow editing.
WordPad != Word; accessibility (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't communicate with a single person that doesn't have MS Word (or at least WordPad).
I don't have Microsoft Word on my computer. I have Microsoft WordPad 2000, but WordPad doesn't support style sheets, which are the topic of this subthread. Has this changed in Windows XP SP2?
Let's not forget that if you are running Linux, you have made a choice to use something that has different features and limitations than the software that 90+% of the world uses.
Did I make that choice to buy a computer without buying a one-seat home user license of Microsoft Word, or did the person who bought my computer make that choice?
It is not the obligation of the vast majority to facilitate the minority
Yes it is. People with any given disability are a minority, but Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act, requires the U.S. Government and U.S. Government contractors to create accessible systems. How is "bold" accessible to a speech reader or a Braille terminal?
Plain text does not allow formatting, and PDF does not allow editing.
But do you always want the readers of your copyrighted document to have easy access to preparing a derivative work of your document?
Re:My my my... (Score:3, Insightful)
Word processors, specificaly WYSIWYG, are stupid and inefficient [wfu.edu], we should all use TeX instead.
But the TeX commands and syntax are too complex, so use a nice program to generate the TeX. A WYSIWYG word processor, opps, I mean, a WYSIWYM document processor, that outputs TeX.
So, word processors are "stupid and inefficient", unless they output TeX and are called document processors?