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American View On Korean Broadband Leadership 527

prostoalex writes "South Korea remains the world's undisputed broadband leader (in terms of penetration) with 25 broadband lines for every 100 people as of year-end 2004. But how did it come to that? Joel Strauch moved there to teach English and in his letter to PC World he portrays the everyday life in broadband heaven as well as names the reasons for Korean broadband dominance: 'An ambitious, nearly $11 billion program, it appears to be working. Studies have shown that over a quarter of Koreans have broadband and that anyone who wants it can sign up--with some ISPs charging as little as $19 a month for DSL. I pay $30 myself, for a 1.5-megabits-per-second (mbps) connection--twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.'"
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American View On Korean Broadband Leadership

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  • population density (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:27PM (#11739623)
    I suppose you could broadband wire all of new york city + the nearby cities for $11 billion also.

  • Re:Size (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:36PM (#11739696)
    They've also beaten Hong Kong, which came in second despite having a much higher population density.
  • by MyDixieWrecked ( 548719 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:38PM (#11739710) Homepage Journal
    When I was living in Manhattan, I had Roadrunner which was 3Mbit/512Kbit (from what I could tell) and had no ports blocked, so I was running a web server off my main linux box. I believe we were paying around 50$ a month.

    Right before xmas they upgraded or something because I was getting over 600K/sec on my downloads, which makes me think they upgraded to around 6Mbit (I did some math on my max speed, and it was almost exactly 6Mbit), but the upload speed didn't change.

    I had to move back to NJ on new years day, so that was the end of my high-speed enjoyment. DSL service in this area is horrendous. Verizon offers home users only 768Kbit DSL for some 40$/month and where I happen to live, I'm too far from the central office, so I get constant disconnects and outages that last hours and sometimes days.

    I opted to get speakeasy since I had become addicted to running a web server and they had a slashdot promotion where I get 8 IPs, so I'm in hosting heaven right now, but I pay 80$/month for 1.5Mbit/768Kbit. The 6Mbit package isn't available here.

    i could have also gotten comcast but I had their service from 1998-2000 and became completely dissatisfied with their service toward the end (started out GREAT and Fast as hell, I'd get 800Kbyte/sec downloads and 800Kbyte/sec uploads, but they decided to cap everyone to 1% of the upload bandwidth and 10% of the download bandwidth). I was paying 60$/month for that, I believe.

    Luckily, I moved to another area where I got Optimum Online, which, aside from the internet in college, was the fastest broadband I ever had. I was paying 40$/month, and used to regularly get 1MByte/sec downloads, and in the beginning, 400Kbyte/sec uploads, which, later, were capped to about 80Kbyte/sec when they blocked inbound traffic on port 80 because I codeRed, or one of those stupid worms.
  • Re:Size (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Otter ( 3800 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:38PM (#11739713) Journal
    Also, if the country is smaller, their incomes are smaller too.

    Huh? Why do you think that?

  • Re:Size (Score:3, Interesting)

    by A beautiful mind ( 821714 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:43PM (#11739745)
    To clarify: i ment the government's income not the average income of a person. Population numbers don't always follow landmass numbers, but roughly it's true.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:45PM (#11739760)
    Back in 2000/2001 when I was in Korea I was paying $40/month for 8 Mbit/s ADSL on the premium service. There lowest plan was for 4 Mbit/s. I'm pretty sure it was when the whole broadband initiative started up. I guess they really throttled the bandwith back since then.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:51PM (#11739800)
    The key issue with broadband is not penetration rates nor is it necessarily speed. The key question is what to do with it. The economic future of broadband will be determined by what it enables, not how many people have it. Right now it enables...what? Web content comes down faster but it was never that slow to begin with. Phone service is possible now with VOIP, but phone service is already available cheaply from the variety of landline or wireless phone companies. Movies and music are an obvious target for the high-efficiency distribution of the Internet, but the key issue there (and it's a huge one) is DRM.

    Korea has a higher percentage of users than the US, but has not shown leadership vs. the US in answering the central question of what to do with broadband. That's why I have a hard time listening to talk of Korean BB "leadership."
  • Re:Port scanning (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Tough Love ( 215404 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:58PM (#11739852)
    All I can see from here is the port scanning that continuously comes from their networks. And the lack of response when I try to report it to their ISPs.

    Those are zombied Windows machines. Korea produces porportionately more zombie spam than other countries because its bandwidth is relatively higher.

    The zombied machines are all Windows machines. Windows is heavily used in Korea because for a long time it had better Korean language support than Linux. Now that Linux has caught up and with the Korean government backing of Linux, that will slowly change.

    In the meantime, don't criticize Korea, criticize Microsoft.
  • Re:Leadership? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by drxray ( 839725 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @06:58PM (#11739860) Homepage
    It's pretty cool. I downloaded all five CDs of Solaris 10 x86 in under ten minutes. And running a 32-player Unreal Tournament server needs at least a 10 Mbps connection, preferably several times more if you're using custom maps (as players will download the maps off you). It's also nice to have the slow part of smaller downloads being you typing in where you want the file saved, rather than the actual downloading.
    I can't wait for legal film downloads.
    That said, if you're just using the net rather than serving stuff, a couple of megabits and a little patience works just as well.
  • by blamanj ( 253811 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:04PM (#11739909)
    I pay $30 myself, for a 1.5-megabits-per-second (mbps) connection--twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.

    Of course, the per capita income in Korea is about 1/2 that of the US, so spending $30 to a Korean is like spending $60 is to an American.
  • Re:Port scanning (Score:3, Interesting)

    by pe1chl ( 90186 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:08PM (#11739936)
    What I always wonder about is why I get all this Korean spam (100 messages a day) and no Korean understands that I will not be able to read that!

    Let them trim down their spamlist and only leave .kr addresses on it.
  • by wazzzup ( 172351 ) <astromacNO@SPAMfastmail.fm> on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:10PM (#11739942)
    While there are a number of posts saying, "I've got x for $30 a month" there are still many areas in the U.S. where the broadband provider has a local monopoly. Case in point, my town, which only has Time Warner Cable (no DSL) charges $50/month for broadband alone. When I was getting expanded cable t.v. and broadband, my monthly bill crept up to over $120/month. My parents, who live 50 miles north of me get broadband and expanded cable t.v for $45/month. Why? They have competition. I work with people who get Time Warner broadband and they get it cheaper than I did simply by living in another location.

    It seems we love monopolies here in America since it's taboo to meddle with business too much.
  • by zorgaliscious ( 619362 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:14PM (#11739971)
    In Paris here I've been very pleasantly surprised by a company called Free (free.fr) that offers a free DSL modem/TV/telephone box (USB and ethernet, phone jack, and SCART) and then 20mbit unlimited download (with 3mbit up) for 29.99euros. TV via ADSL too and then free nlimited calling withinn France and 2cents a minute to just about anywhere else in the world. Pretty sweet frikken deal.
  • by JeffSh ( 71237 ) <jeffslashdot@[ ]0.org ['m0m' in gap]> on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:18PM (#11739992)
    this is a bad arguement i've been fighting for a while.

    the DSL marketers can call cable "shared" bandwidth technically, because it fundamentally is. the only thing that limits how much a cable modem can pull from the area node is limited only by the firmware of the cable modem.

    if the node were to be overtaxed by users, it would indeed slow down.

    but the connection to a DSL suffers the same fate, just in a more traditional sense. DSL networks have ALOT more than 45x 1mbps lines per "DS3/T3" upstream connection. Think about it for a moment, this has been the way it always has been. The provider has way less bandwidth available at all times than what the customers could possibly demand. This has been the only way to cost effectively resell bandwidth and access.. It's been that way since modems, remember modem pools? you would often have a 10:1 ratio of customers per modem, and that was GOOD.

    same with DSL, same with cable, its all the same really. If a DSL network is overloaded, it suffers the same fate as an overloaded cable network.
  • by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:22PM (#11740029)
    However it also generally comes with an SLA that gaurentees uptime, quality of service, and so on. That's the big difference for like Speakeasy ADSL/SDSL service. ADSL is a home-user type thing. No speed gaurentees, no uptime gaurentees, no upstream gaurentees. The SDSL is more professional, with gaurentees on all those things. It gets priority when being fixed, and you are compensated for downtime past a certian amount.

    Now I'm not saying that's the right way to do it necessiarly, but that's often the reason for higher cost on symetric lines. They are sold as pro solutions that ahve higher levels of service. Well, that costs more money.

    Also something I've noticed is that US broadband is generally very good about having sufficient upstream for your conneciton. If you have a 3mbps connection, your ISP has sufficient connections to support that and so on up. I've found that broadband from other countries that is often not the case with.

    I was transfering files with someone from Europe, Sweden I believe but I can't remember, who was getting angry at me because he claimed I'd overlisted my connection. I'd listed it as a T3, which was quite accurate. At the time I worked for network operations on campus and had a very direct link to the core, which has 2x OC-3cs to the world. The network utilization was extremely low at the time, under 10% per line. Thus I was easily capable of doing T3 level transfer speeds, and I verified this on another site. Both the links were to large providers (Time Warner Telecom and AT&T) and high priority, thus the problem was not on my end.

    Well, some investigation and testing reveled that he could get his full 10mbps to people on the same DSL network, but not to most of the rest of the world. There was either insufficient bandwidth or a rate limit somewhere higher up the chain. So the 10mbps DSL really wasn't. It would be like syaing you have a 100mbps line because that's the connection your comptuer has to your switch. Well yes, it'll get 100mbps to anything on that LAN, but not to the rest of the world.

    I've encountered this a number of times with foriegn providers. It's certianly not universal, but seems far more common than in the US. You get extremely high bandwidth to the provider, and thus anyone on their network, but past that and maybe their peers it drops off sharply.

    I'm not saying maybe SK doesn't have much better broadband, just saying that there are some reasons why things may cost more over here.
  • Re:Port scanning (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:31PM (#11740104)
    You speak Korean? Or did you get somebody to translate it for you? Please tell me you didn't just send them an email in English and expect them to understand it. No, but when they have a page in English where I can supposedly report abuse, I expect a response.
  • Re:Translation: (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nsda's_deviant ( 602648 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:36PM (#11740138)
    I understand your cynicism but your wrong.

    In 1997 the Korean economy crashed and was bailed out by the IMF. Everything was in disarray and the goverment didn't have enough money to bail out the national banks. Bankrupt banks left all firms clamoring for money for investment and one of the designs for the 'new' Korean economy was building high-tech telecom. Meaning: give subsidies to rapidlly accelerate the growth of Korean telecoms so they would grow faster, expand into new markets and theoreticlly offer growth in new businesses.

    In 1997, internet usage in Korea was nowhere. There wern't many PC rooms, people wern't playing real computer games, there wern't extensive 2g networks and it wasn't the Korea you read about today.

    What's remarkable about the Korean story is that the goverment made positive steps to nuture explosive broadbrand growth. It's unheard of in the US because there hasn't been a real US equivalent since the space race. No one 8 years ago thought Korea would be able to bounce back from the massive economic depression but betting on broadband has had huge paybacks. Who would have thought Samsung could make 3g cellphones with 4mp+ cameras because broadband was so prevelent? Who would've guessed people stop watching TV because TV episodes can be streamed 24/7 for roughly 50 cents a pop? Can you believe that a nation of 50 million is roughly 25% of the world's WarCraft 3 players?

    The story your missing is that the Korean subsidies wern't free money to 'rich' telecoms. It was subsidies that was strategicly used by the goverment to promote internet growth. The idea being that subsidies would roll over into positive effects for citizens; that has happened, no one imagined it would be so successful. Now, could you imagine what would happen if the US had a president that bet 100 billion on the internet?
  • by wynand1004 ( 671213 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @07:41PM (#11740174) Homepage
    Check out this post from a guy who lives in Korea. You won't believe the trouble he went through with his Internet service and getting a cellphone.

    'E-Korea' - Myth versus Reality [1stopkorea.com]

    Here is a brief excerpt:

    Buying a Cell Phone

    "Hi, I'd like to buy a cell phone."

    "B . . . b . . . but you're a foreigner."

    "Yeah, thanks, I'm aware of that. Now, can I buy the phone?"

    "Well no, we don't sell to foreigners."

    "Really? I printed this out from your website. It says you do."

    "I don't care what our website says. We don't sell to foreigners."


    He then goes on to describe his problems with broadband internet access. Check it out!
  • Re:Size (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Mitsoid ( 837831 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @08:25PM (#11740417)
    Now, if only virginia had broadband... heh...

    I live due west of DC, not even 10 miles from the beltway, no DSL service out here... its a DSL deadzone or something... There's a CO about 3 miles west, and 5 miles east... none north or south...

    somehow in the ISP's 'attempt' to expand, they wanted to hit the farmland before they touched the very profitable high-population area's...

    And nobody here likes Cable, it's soooo horrendous... but because it's the only option for anyone within a few miles of my area... we have horrendous bottleneck issues... I'm lucky to get ping times under 100ms even on the shortest hops outside the cable network.. and speeds over 3mb/sec....

    Also, I sware the cable company has an 'anti-gaming' block on the service, I can't stay connected to an online game more then an hour to save my life... (On my Xbox, Ps2, or any of my 4 computers... and no, I only play one of them at a time, even if I run the line right to the computer/console I cant stay connected)...

    All I can say is, before you move somewhere, make sure you can get DSL -AND- cable.. never gonna know which one will crap out :-/
  • by sp0rk173 ( 609022 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @08:47PM (#11740576)
    So, instead of giving false facts, here's what the CIA world factbook says about SOUTH Korea:

    Net Migration Rate: [cia.gov] 0 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2004 est.) read: no net emigration
    Sex Ratio At Birth: 1.09 male(s)/female
    Population Growth Rate: 0.62% (2004 est.)
    Life Expectancy: total population: 75.58 years male: 71.96 years female: 79.54 years (2004 est.)
    Literacy: total population: 97.9% male: 99.2% female: 96.6% (2002)

    So, how does that stack up to the US?

    Net Migration Rate: 3.41 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2004 est.)
    Sex Ratio At Birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
    Population Growth Rate: 0.92% (2004 est.)
    Life Expectancy: total population: 77.43 years male: 74.63 years female: 80.36 years (2004 est.)
    Literacy: total population: 97% male: 97% female: 97% (1999 est.)

    So, basically - you're full of shit, and we have been trolled. However, I thought your bullshit should be shown for what it is - Bullshit. There is no such country called "Korea." They got pissed at each other and split up into North and South with SOUTH korea resembing the US and NORTH korea resembling a poverty stricken dicatorship. HAND.
  • Re:Port scanning (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bunratty ( 545641 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @08:55PM (#11740632)
    However, South Koreans all study English in school. They need to take a proficiency test in English to get into college. When my brother went to Korea, I asked him to buy me a t-shirt with Korean letters on it -- all he could find was one t-shirt with the Korean alphabet on it, because all the others had English. I can read lots of Korean, too, because the alphabet is phonetic and many of the words are phonetically spelled English words. Believe me, South Koreans can read English perfectly well.
  • by Drache Kubisuro ( 469932 ) on Monday February 21, 2005 @10:56PM (#11741390) Homepage Journal
    So far every Korean I've ran into here in S. Korea has a Cellphone and Broadband. Nearly every shop I walk into there is a computer hooked up for surfing during the day's quiet hours.

    Here in Korea, when you get cellphone services, they talk to a representative via MSN Messenger or suitable application to activate your line in real-time without having to pickup a phone.

    Osan AB has broadband through out all the dormitories, though SSRT (Samsung Rental) has a monopoly on that so they get away with charging insane costs. Something like $45 just for DSL... and really horrible TOS threatening $1000 fine for running anything resembling a "server." But 300kbps downstream is rather nice coming from the States where I'd be lucky to hit 90kbps.

    S. Korea is paradise :-)
  • by Mock ( 29603 ) on Tuesday February 22, 2005 @12:20AM (#11741787)
    I pay US$50 equivalent for a 100MB fiber line to my home in Japan (and no, I don't live in Tokyo).

    I could have opted for the cheaper $20 a month for 20meg adsl, but for that I'd have to pay another $20 a month for an NTT phone line (It's almost unheard of that someone living here doesn't have a cel phone these days, so land lines are not so popular anymore). I'm also setting up a high-speed vpn between my home and a few of my friends so that we can all access a pool of files easily, and for that I need upstream bandwidth as well as down.

    The biggest player in Japan atm is YahooBB, and I don't think they offer anything less than 12meg anymore.

    If an isp tried to flog something as pitiful as 1.5mbps connections here, they wouldn't last long.

    My fastest download to date was a 650mb iso from KDDI labs in 5 minutes, which is pretty decent...

  • by novakyu ( 636495 ) <novakyu@novakyu.net> on Tuesday February 22, 2005 @03:45AM (#11742536) Homepage
    That awful culture continues growing and growing, and now it's really a pain in the ... posterior ... to see major South Korean webpage with non-WinIE browser. I really wonder if Korean web develoopers have ever heard of W3C. A handful of my friends and myself continue to protest and struggle, but things are never improving.

    Well, 'glad to know I'm not the only one feeling that way. I tried going to a few Korean websites, but before too long, I got tired of their overloaded (with Flash and other unnecessary junk, not to mention ActiveX) websites. It's been a really long time since I've seen a good Korean website with clean, nice design. Even webmail services (like hanmail (accessible from daum.net)) are so bloated that I recently moved my dad off of his old e-mail address at hanmail and gave him a POP3-accessible Gmail account.

    One of the worst website (popular in Korea, obviously) was cyworld.com. The website doesn't work at all (well, at least one of the major functions, i.e. requesting to be someone's "relation", doesn't work) in any browser but IE. I thought of accessing it at school (since my sister and all my cousins use it), but, bah, it got to be too much of a hassle.

    So, nowadays, I just hang around good old English websites---it's not like I'm missing anything useful by not going to Korean websites, and the ones that might be worth going to are offshoots of well-known English projects (Wikipedia, TLDP... if that's still alive) anyway.

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